If the only issue with booting windows is the Open Firmware there are simple ways to get around that. Now, if apple is using some sort of "protection" DRM or whatever then obviously it has to be hacked. As for emulating windows through OS X hacking exsiting programs... IE wine, vmware, MOL, is going to have to happen. (*Note Mol was added to the list because it's basic idea would be very useful in this situation) Windows will appear on your x86 based laptops very soon. I don't know why but I do know that it will happen.
Anybody have any theories as to what MIGHT happen if you had both OS's on a machine... doesn't matter which type... and in the likely event that Windoze allowed a virus in... could it affect the Mac side of the computer?
Unless you had the two OSes using physically separate disk drives, the first answer has to be, yes, a virus on either OS could damage the other one residing on disk.
Anybody have any theories as to what MIGHT happen if you had both OS's on a machine... doesn't matter which type... and in the likely event that Windoze allowed a virus in... could it affect the Mac side of the computer?
Unless you had the two OSes using physically separate disk drives, the first answer has to be, yes, a virus on either OS could damage the other one residing on disk.
There are two types of disks: upgrade only and standalone. I've got mixtures of both for Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger.
So, there are definitely standalone versions - perhaps try looking in an Apple retailer ... ? Otherwise, how could one do a clean install? Or upgrade from OS 9? Or install to an iPod or other external drive?
There are two types of disks: upgrade only and standalone. I've got mixtures of both for Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger.
So, there are definitely standalone versions - perhaps try looking in an Apple retailer ... ? Otherwise, how could one do a clean install? Or upgrade from OS 9? Or install to an iPod or other external drive?
It's the EULA license that deciphers how it's legally used. While it would appear and install as a full version, legally it's an upgrade as per the license agreement.
It's the EULA license that deciphers how it's legally used. While it would appear and install as a full version, legally it's an upgrade as per the license agreement.
Is there anything in the Mac OS EULA that ties it to a specific machine? If not, you can happily retire "old" hardware (or install an alternate OS like Linux on it), and transfer its software license to the new machine (like a formerly-windows-infested Intel machine).
So bring that old iLamp, I mean iMac, up to 10.4.3, then transfer the software license from that machine to your Thinkpad, or whatever, and away you go, quite legally.
Is there anything in the Mac OS EULA that ties it to a specific machine? If not, you can happily retire "old" hardware (or install an alternate OS like Linux on it), and transfer its software license to the new machine (like a formerly-windows-infested Intel machine).
So bring that old iLamp, I mean iMac, up to 10.4.3, then transfer the software license from that machine to your Thinkpad, or whatever, and away you go, quite legally.
But OS X running on an Intel Processor, as in thenew Mac, is a lot different than OS X running on an Intel (or AMD) powered PC.
Anyhow, first you have to get OS X running on a PC. Lots of blow- hards out there making noise, but no one who can do it. And OS X is there waiting to be used.
But OS X running on an Intel Processor, as in thenew Mac, is a lot different than OS X running on an Intel (or AMD) powered PC.
Anyhow, first you have to get OS X running on a PC. Lots of blow- hards out there making noise, but no one who can do it. And OS X is there waiting to be used.
Beyond the obvious commercial reasons that Apple does not want OS-X to run on Windows boxes, there is another major reason not to allow it - the user experience. One of the points that helps Apple keep the user experience on the positive side is the tight control over the quality of their systems and how the hardware and software integrates. Apple will continue to do this and test their OS against prior Macs and new machines against their OS and multiple apps. But there is no way they are going to even think about trying to support the huge variety of Windows boxes out there, especially considering that so many are really cheap machines with all kinds of problems. All those Windows blue screens are not just from Windows but often from the hardware. The addage of you get what you pay for...
Beyond the obvious commercial reasons that Apple does not want OS-X to run on Windows boxes, there is another major reason not to allow it - the user experience. One of the points that helps Apple keep the user experience on the positive side is the tight control over the quality of their systems and how the hardware and software integrates. Apple will continue to do this and test their OS against prior Macs and new machines against their OS and multiple apps. But there is no way they are going to even think about trying to support the huge variety of Windows boxes out there, especially considering that so many are really cheap machines with all kinds of problems. All those Windows blue screens are not just from Windows but often from the hardware. The addage of you get what you pay for...
Q: What about running the Mac OS on a non-Apple PC?
The answer to this is wrong. You can buy Mac OS X in the retail box and install the operating system from scratch. It is not an upgrade only operating system.
Q: What about running the Mac OS on a non-Apple PC?
The answer to this is wrong. You can buy Mac OS X in the retail box and install the operating system from scratch. It is not an upgrade only operating system.
I really can't see why anyone would want to run Windows on a Mac. For that matter, why would anyone want to run Windows if they can afford a Mac.
The only problem I can see with the mac is its overpriced, underpowered computers. Apple should consider getting out of the computer business and devote itself to what it really does well writing operating systems. Most people would gladly ditch windows if they could buy a good, easy to use OS like OS X provided there was a good base of software to run on it.
I will probably never buy an Mac computer but I would gladly buy a copy of OS X if it would run on a computer that I could buy built by my local compter store.
1. No sense to wast a Mac on Windows, when you can buy a cheap Dell to do the job. One computer for each OS, linked on a LAN. Works fine for me.
2. Mac's aren't cheap, but you are sadly mistaken about their power. If OS X is any sort of a good idea on a PC , it screams on a Mac. maybe you should take some time and find out what you are talking about before you 'compare' performance.
3. If you won't buy a Mac, there's no point in trying to get OS X to work on some locally built PC. Again, you need to learn more before you post.
But that's what life is for. So go learn. You just might be surprised by what you come up with.
I really can't see why anyone would want to run Windows on a Mac. For that matter, why would anyone want to run Windows if they can afford a Mac.
The only problem I can see with the mac is its overpriced, underpowered computers. Apple should consider getting out of the computer business and devote itself to what it really does well writing operating systems. Most people would gladly ditch windows if they could buy a good, easy to use OS like OS X provided there was a good base of software to run on it.
I will probably never buy an Mac computer but I would gladly buy a copy of OS X if it would run on a computer that I could buy built by my local compter store.
1. No sense to wast a Mac on Windows, when you can buy a cheap Dell to do the job. One computer for each OS, linked on a LAN. Works fine for me.
2. Mac's aren't cheap, but you are sadly mistaken about their power. If OS X is any sort of a good idea on a PC , it screams on a Mac. maybe you should take some time and find out what you are talking about before you 'compare' performance.
3. If you won't buy a Mac, there's no point in trying to get OS X to work on some locally built PC. Again, you need to learn more before you post.
But that's what life is for. So go learn. You just might be surprised by what you come up with.
I own the revb imac g5 which came with tiger installed. It is buggy, things would freeze and I often required a reboot, but after 10.4.1 things seemed to settle down. I think it's an average operating system and after the next up... (10.4.3) it should be fine. No issues. Upgrading to tiger isn't just about the new features(ie. spotlight, dashboard) but rather the backend also. A problem people have is when they get tiger they dont do a clean install, they just upgrade. My point is that the 129 $ is the full version, not the upgrade version. And a pack of 5 licenses costs 199$ <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
By the way, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have?
My Mac no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.
Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?
If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac's original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page) <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?
If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.
Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen and the rest of your ilk.....
I own the revb imac g5 which came with tiger installed. It is buggy, things would freeze and I often required a reboot, but after 10.4.1 things seemed to settle down. I think it's an average operating system and after the next up... (10.4.3) it should be fine. No issues. Upgrading to tiger isn't just about the new features(ie. spotlight, dashboard) but rather the backend also. A problem people have is when they get tiger they dont do a clean install, they just upgrade. My point is that the 129 $ is the full version, not the upgrade version. And a pack of 5 licenses costs 199$ <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
By the way, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have?
My Mac no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.
Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?
If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac's original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page) <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?
If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.
Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen and the rest of your ilk.....
Most of the times Earl you need to substantiate. If all you need is to argue uselessly about another stupid OS on a stupid platform, instead of accepting the fact that it is just another PC, then get this straight, I'll keep reposting the facts I have with me since you urself do not have any....
Most of the times Earl you need to substantiate. If all you need is to argue uselessly about another stupid OS on a stupid platform, instead of accepting the fact that it is just another PC, then get this straight, I'll keep reposting the facts I have with me since you urself do not have any....
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both OS's on a machine... doesn't matter which type... and in the
likely event that Windoze allowed a virus in... could it affect the
Mac side of the computer?
Just wonderin'
both OS's on a machine... doesn't matter which type... and in the
likely event that Windoze allowed a virus in... could it affect the
Mac side of the computer?
Just wonderin'
mixtures of both for Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger.
So, there are definitely standalone versions - perhaps try looking in
an Apple retailer ... ? Otherwise, how could one do a clean install?
Or upgrade from OS 9? Or install to an iPod or other external
drive?
mixtures of both for Puma, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger.
So, there are definitely standalone versions - perhaps try looking in
an Apple retailer ... ? Otherwise, how could one do a clean install?
Or upgrade from OS 9? Or install to an iPod or other external
drive?
But that move might kill Apple's hardware business...
But that move might also make OS X a real threat to Windows' market dominance...
But that move might kill Apple's hardware business...
But that move might also make OS X a real threat to Windows' market dominance...
would appear and install as a full version, legally it's an upgrade as
per the license agreement.
would appear and install as a full version, legally it's an upgrade as
per the license agreement.
conventional PC, please let us know.
Until then, all the self appointed experts are wasting their words
and our time. Their words are useless, but my time isn't.
conventional PC, please let us know.
Until then, all the self appointed experts are wasting their words
and our time. Their words are useless, but my time isn't.
So bring that old iLamp, I mean iMac, up to 10.4.3, then transfer the software license from that machine to your Thinkpad, or whatever, and away you go, quite legally.
see you do it first.
So bring that old iLamp, I mean iMac, up to 10.4.3, then transfer the software license from that machine to your Thinkpad, or whatever, and away you go, quite legally.
see you do it first.
different than OS X running on an Intel (or AMD) powered PC.
Anyhow, first you have to get OS X running on a PC. Lots of blow-
hards out there making noise, but no one who can do it. And OS X
is there waiting to be used.
different than OS X running on an Intel (or AMD) powered PC.
Anyhow, first you have to get OS X running on a PC. Lots of blow-
hards out there making noise, but no one who can do it. And OS X
is there waiting to be used.
want OS-X to run on Windows boxes, there is another major
reason not to allow it - the user experience. One of the points
that helps Apple keep the user experience on the positive side is
the tight control over the quality of their systems and how the
hardware and software integrates.
Apple will continue to do this and test their OS against prior
Macs and new machines against their OS and multiple apps. But
there is no way they are going to even think about trying to
support the huge variety of Windows boxes out there, especially
considering that so many are really cheap machines with all
kinds of problems. All those Windows blue screens are not just
from Windows but often from the hardware. The addage of you
get what you pay for...
want OS-X to run on Windows boxes, there is another major
reason not to allow it - the user experience. One of the points
that helps Apple keep the user experience on the positive side is
the tight control over the quality of their systems and how the
hardware and software integrates.
Apple will continue to do this and test their OS against prior
Macs and new machines against their OS and multiple apps. But
there is no way they are going to even think about trying to
support the huge variety of Windows boxes out there, especially
considering that so many are really cheap machines with all
kinds of problems. All those Windows blue screens are not just
from Windows but often from the hardware. The addage of you
get what you pay for...
box and install the operating system from scratch. It is not an
upgrade only operating system.
you do, your comments are meaningless.
box and install the operating system from scratch. It is not an
upgrade only operating system.
you do, your comments are meaningless.
The only problem I can see with the mac is its overpriced, underpowered computers. Apple should consider getting out of the computer business and devote itself to what it really does well writing operating systems. Most people would gladly ditch windows if they could buy a good, easy to use OS like OS X provided there was a good base of software to run on it.
I will probably never buy an Mac computer but I would gladly buy a copy of OS X if it would run on a computer that I could buy built by my local compter store.
cheap Dell to do the job. One computer for each OS, linked on a
LAN. Works fine for me.
2. Mac's aren't cheap, but you are sadly mistaken about their
power. If OS X is any sort of a good idea on a PC , it screams on
a Mac. maybe you should take some time and find out what you
are talking about before you 'compare' performance.
3. If you won't buy a Mac, there's no point in trying to get OS X
to work on some locally built PC. Again, you need to learn more
before you post.
But that's what life is for. So go learn. You just might be
surprised by what you come up with.
The only problem I can see with the mac is its overpriced, underpowered computers. Apple should consider getting out of the computer business and devote itself to what it really does well writing operating systems. Most people would gladly ditch windows if they could buy a good, easy to use OS like OS X provided there was a good base of software to run on it.
I will probably never buy an Mac computer but I would gladly buy a copy of OS X if it would run on a computer that I could buy built by my local compter store.
cheap Dell to do the job. One computer for each OS, linked on a
LAN. Works fine for me.
2. Mac's aren't cheap, but you are sadly mistaken about their
power. If OS X is any sort of a good idea on a PC , it screams on
a Mac. maybe you should take some time and find out what you
are talking about before you 'compare' performance.
3. If you won't buy a Mac, there's no point in trying to get OS X
to work on some locally built PC. Again, you need to learn more
before you post.
But that's what life is for. So go learn. You just might be
surprised by what you come up with.
My point is that the 129 $ is the full version, not the upgrade version. And a pack of 5 licenses costs 199$
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
By the way, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have?
My Mac no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.
Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?
If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac's original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page)
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?
If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.
Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen and the rest of your ilk.....
My point is that the 129 $ is the full version, not the upgrade version. And a pack of 5 licenses costs 199$
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
By the way, you jokers still don't get it? Why crib about something you don't have?
My Mac no longer supports the Fortran compiler. (Tiger 10.4.3) So what's the point of a Mac? If you still intend to use the standard response of which serious Mac user would want to use Windows?? then matey let me know what you use it for? For running virtual PC for enabling other applications? If so, why a Mac? I can complete the task in under 500$. If your grouse is performance, then forget it, Windows XP beats the new Tiger hands down. By the way, you guys have to see the responses at the Apple site before you actually crib back to me about windows.
Why buy something for 3000$ when I can run more applications at around 500$? What's the deal paying? Why do I need virtual PC or a third party emulator as others have pointed out?
If you intend to use it somewhere and not realize where a Mac's original position should be then just read the grouses on Mac forum before coming to windows. Start reading about the Grouses about Macs at the Apple site. (Scroll down to bottom of the page)
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A" target="_newWindow">http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=MA190Z/A</a>
It's not less. It's more. Besides the loss of functionality of most applications, do you really want to spend 3000 dollars for a snob value "PC"?
If you want to, you can configure any system to run fine on any operating system subject to user's understanding. And as Mac fanatics you are entitled to respond. But I have only one point to make. Why crib about something you don't have? You guys must seriously be wanting it.
Now you can continue your grouse, Earl, Schmoe(K),Crusoe,Shauheen and the rest of your ilk.....