Comments on: Microsoft: Vista SP1 will break these programs

List of applications affected by service pack installation include Trend Micro's Internet Security 2008 and the Times Reader.

[Andy kaufman]

Big Deal!

12 programs that I don't even use anyway. I just upgraded to a Vista Home Premium machine and it has been a slice of heaven. It runs MS-Office 2003 Pro and a lot of older legacy software as well. Whatever Vista cannot run, you can run Windows XP in Virtual PC or VMWare for free. PC Direct just has a sale for $76 for a copy of an OEM version of Windows XP Home Edition SP1a that will work great in a virtual machine under Vista. http://www.pcdirect.com/product.asp?Sku=MSWINXPHOME%2DSP1A&pid=4&promo=
Most Vista machines have hardware virtualization so you can get 3D graphics, etc under Virtual PC and VMWare, and if you have a dual core system you won't notice any slowdown as long as you can allocate at least 512M of RAM to the virtual machine for XP to use.

[The_happy_switcher]

I haven't to you lately so here it is:

You are a major league IDIOT! Does Microsoft pay you or something? Are you on drugs?

[The_Decider]

How Ironic

The most unsecure OS on the planet has an "update" that breaks the very tools that makes Windows barely usable.

MS software engineering at its finest!

[artistkvip]

has bush and microsoft been in our computers?

what is the real thing georgy porgy is weiniey cheney are trying to hide along with vodkafeld or what ever the senile old mans name was who was to incompetent to actually answer quuestions to congress on c-span. when will photo shop and other graphics programs run on linux or when will we get a new operating system that doesnt run roughshod over everyone especially ones they target to be incompatable with. its a shame even apples new operating system is a micrsofty product thats why i will never update to thier new crap. i never thought apple would sellout like that but they apparently got bought out or caved to the pressure or maybe they had no choice when they went to intel chips but i would rather have a alittle slower computer that wasnt part of geaorge bushes invade your computer spying program. or what other valid reason could he have for not wanting people to know what he has actually done.. is maybe he has been in all of outr computers with microsofts help. would somebody check the liars sometime soon please

[marvswett]

Strange

"what is the real thing georgy porgy is weiniey cheney are trying to hide along with vodkafeld or what ever the senile old mans name was.."

Keep the medication bottle a little closer to the keyboard and your messages will make more sense.

"i never thought apple would sellout like that but they apparently got bought out or caved to the pressure or maybe they had no choice when they went to intel chips.."

I can't speak for Apple, but I believe the reason for dumping IBM and Motorola for Intel had something to do with the fact that Darwin was based on BSD. BSD, although ported to just about every architecture you can think of, is most widely supported on the x86 architecture. This was a strategic decision on the part of Apple who was looking for a *NIX chassis for their homegrown Desktop. What you see in the OSX series since the transition is an extremely flexible development platform underlying an extremely sharp looking (and responding) user-interface.

The underlying chipset has very little to do with it.

"but i would rather have a alittle slower computer that wasnt part of geaorge bushes invade your computer spying program."

The tinfoil hat is sitting next to your medication bottle.

[abbottpark]

Problems what problems?

This will be fixed in service pack 2.

[GeniusEvil]

STORY NOT TRUE: Times Reader works fine on SP1

The Times Reader had a bug that SP1 exposed.
NYT patched that LAST NOVEMBER. Only if you were running a OLD version of the app (ie. not using it at all, not logging into NYT) would you be able to run into this bug.

[The_happy_switcher]

Winblows hits keep coming

Ha ha. These headlines are hilarious.

[krosavcheg]

Not as funny as..

The Apple][ is now obsolete, you need to buy a Lisa and all new programs.
The Lisa is obsolete, you need to buy a Mac and get all new programs.
The MacOS has been replaced by a Unix based OS, you'll need to replace all your programs.
The Mac now uses an Intel processor, you'll need to buy a new Mac and all new programs.

Gee, I can still run most programs written for early versions of DOS, Windows 3.0, Windows 95, Windows NT, Windows 2000 and Windows XP on my Windows Vista machine. A number of programs for each of those OSes have fallen as well but the simple fact remains that the majority of programs are still usable.

And you think you've got something to gloat about?

[suyts]

Your right !!!!

The headlines are hilarious. Kinda reminds me of the NY times type of reporting. Misleading headlines, as if many apps weren't going to work, there were only 12 fairly obscure apps listed in MS's report. Incomplete reporting.....MS also listed where to go to get working apps for SP1. Innuendo ridden "news" story as if there were any real problems (no details given)with the Vista deployment. I certainly haven't experienced any and plan to use Vista with all new PCs deployed in the office.

[Seaspray0]

So do the CRapple hits

I don't consider it as damaging as bricking an iphone with an update or as devestating as the file move routine in leopard which deleted files before the copy was complete. When will the Macboy's realize that nothing is perfect, and that includes both microsoft and apple products.

BTW, don't like the CRapple reference? Then don't refer to it as Winblows.

[The_happy_switcher]

yes, i do.

Because of this obsession with legacy software and piling layer upon layer of patches nothing works right in windows anymore. Vista isn't proof enough for you?

[Seaspray0]

Just another dillusional apple Fanboy

"Because of this obsession with legacy software and piling layer upon layer of patches nothing works right in windows anymore. "

Windows 3.1, NT, 95, 98, 98SE, Millenium, 2000, XP, Vista, or 2003 Server? You seem to be under the impression there is only one "windows". As for "nothing works right", the 12 programs refered to in this article and only for vista is not even a fraction of the "everything" that does work.

Yes, I have used apples, no I did not become brainwashed like you did.

[The_happy_switcher]

Vista: Like the next castle built on the previous one

in a swamp, hoping that it will stand, ala the Monty Python and Holy Grail bit. Ooops, no, it's sunk to the bottom of the swamp too. LOL keep building more castles in a swamp, Microsnot.

[chash360]

ME to XP comparison is not really valid

People that had issues changing from ME to XP, of course had some major issues because they were completely different kernels. ME came from the 9X series, and prior DOS systems, which was originally 16 bit base with lots of legacy DOS code.

XP was actually more of an upgrade of Windows 2000, that supported better some of the direct hardware control that the 9x series had, that was good for multimedia and gaming, and provided a better security model than 2000, and way better than ME, which had basically no security model beyond the DOS readonly file attribute.

Users who upgraded from Windows 2000 to XP did not have very significant issues, compared to those who 'converted' from ME. The 9x series OS's were discontinued after ME, XP being the replacement, but significantly more than a simple upgrade, it was a complete conversion to a new OS.

Comparing Win2K to XP verses XP to Vista, not even a contest, Vista upgrade sucks.

Comparing ME to XP verses XP to Vista, about the same amount of pain and trouble, but with, as of yet, no realized, or percievable benefits of upgrading.

[meski.oz]

XP more secure than Leopard?

You've got a reference for this? I'd be interested in reading it. I'm not asserting you're wrong, I really want to read this proof.

[Seaspray0]

Proof is.... depends on who's giving it to you

I've heard the same claims. I've heard others saying not so. It depends on where you go to get your information. Microsoft or Apple website? Nope, those will never be unbiased! Placing your trust in other sources can be just as bad since they may have been funded by either corp and naturally bias their results. Congrats, you are one of the few willing to check out the sources for yourself.

[Dalkorian]

curious

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SP1 supposed to fix known
issues with the OS? It's like a package of bug fixes, right? Like
updating OSX 10.5.1 to 10.5.2, except with M$ it will break
programs?

The best part is that it'll break security programs from M$ competitors.

How people can't find this funny is beyond me. Why people
would actually pay money to be treated like this confuses me. On
the other hand, I've never been into self inflicted pain or S&M.

[Victor Constantinescu]

Poorly researched article and with misleading title

It surprises me that such a popular news site like this one can afford to publish such articles and embrace the model "Sensational titles, poor story"

The programs you mention don't have any compatibility issues since the vendors have released an update.

If you have read the SP1 whitepaper, you would know that Sp1 doesn't address 3rd party application compatibility. It improves reliability, administration experience, and support for new hardware.

The only "compatibility" feature, that's actually a security feature, applies to 64 bits versions and it allows security applications to hook into the kernel, although it is being protected by the Kernel Patching Protection, and would justify the need for TrendMicro to revise their software for SP1.

It's articles like this one that have generated this wave of unfounded criticism. I'm not taking sides here, and it's true that there have been problems, like with every OS, but simply criticizing just for the fun of it and using big names so that people read your article is simply unprofessional and cast a rather grey shade on the Cnet articles.

[sonounfrocione]

yet another FUD against Vista made by cnet news.com

yet another FUD against Vista made by cnet news.com

[Ubuntu2U]

I have one word, UBUNTU!

I always get a chuckle as I read through story after story of people suffering with Vista. Vista was the product that caused me to take another look at desktop linux and discover ubuntu nearly a year ago. I am a Realtor, I also have a strong web presence with over 20 websites advertising homes. ALL of my business, development, and graphics, for the last year have been done on LINUX, and know what, I dont have to do spyware scans, malware scans, daily virus scans, etc. For gaming I play Urban Terror, or Counterstrike, Secondlife, etc. without a hitch. If people would stop hanging on to Microsoft's bosom and wean themselves from their dependency on something that flat out does not work as well as it should several things would happen. 1. They would enjoy a much more peaceful computing experience. 2. Microsoft would build better products and charge less for them because they would realize they do not have the monopoly and total control of sheep anymore. 3. Vendors would be able to reduce the price of their products.

Just my opinion,

God Bless.

[suyts]

The problem is

that the story is completely overstated. The title implies that many apps will break if one was to upgrade to SP1. The fact is, the MS article references only 12 fairly obscure apps that may have a problem. The MS article then directs the reader on where to get the 3rd party updates to fix the apps. In other words, nothing is broken. I too, have read article after article about Vista. Almost all in a negative light. I deployed a test Vista box in the office. Upgraded from XP. Install went without a hitch. Was up on the network immediately after reboot. Printed to both hosted and non-hosted network printers. Apps ran. Next, I reformatted and installed Vista new. Same story. It seems that the journalism here is equal to the journalism at the Enquirer or the NY times.

God Bless you too. :-)

[cary1]

I have one question!

I have one very simeple question for you: how do you enable Flash on Ubuntu. i have been using ubuntu for six months and till now I haven't been able to use flash on it. I can't watch Youtube. I can't use any website with Flash based navigation.

Adobe Flash Player only supports Red Hat and something called SUSE.

[sntholiday]

That's great for you

But for many people Ubuntu (or any Linux distro for that matter) is not stable on their computer. I played with Linux for close to six months and was constantly having to troubleshoot problems. Took up too much of my time. Windows XP is the best.

[abbottpark]

Nero 8 does not work

It appears I will have to reinstall Nero 8 after I installed Vista SP1 a couple of days ago. Nero 8 does not work.

[Leria]

Nero 8 works with SP1

I have an acquaintance who uses it almost solely, and it works with SP1.

[CESSNA150SKYPILOT]

No objectivity

It doesn't matter what the facts are; people make decisions based on what they like. I have been reading posts about OS's for years. My conclusion is that it's all a matter of taste. As the French say, chacun à son goût. You can no more convince someone that his taste is wrong than you can convince him that his choice of spouse or car is wrong. I have been running Vista Ultimate 64 bit for over two years now (I was a beta tester), and I have had no more difficulties than you would expect from a new OS. I like it. But that's just one opinion, and as far as my computing life is concerned, that's the only opinion that counts.

[fred dunn]

SERVICE PACK! - NOT - SERVICE STACK!

Geez. You would think a technical writer would catch that especially after being sent email.

[olcoot]

VISTA

Having a good day?? Turn on a vista machine. Caution Never Keep A Hammer Within Reach

[filcro]

VISTA has helped our company

We're a diverse search firm with jobs in Media, Legal and Finance http://www.filcro.com and sice we've moved to VISTA everything in our company runs better.

We are a bit worried about some of the old programs we use like Paradox and the effect that Vista SP1 might have.

I hope that this wonderful DOS program will still work.

Thank you

[mcugaedu]

It's bad software, not bad Vista

If Vista breaks a program, it's because the programmers didn't follow recommended Windows practices going back to XT and 2000.

The world is full of ham-handed programmers who develop software by trial and error -- "if it works on one computer, I'll assume it works everywhere." That has never been the right way to do it.

[Leria]

I totally agree with that statement

This is not a problem with Vista, it's a problem with security companies who didn't listen to Microsoft when they said "We are not going to allow kernel hooks anymore, do it this way in order to get your applications to work!"

[moviegeek65]

I'll Stick With XP

Since MS will support it til 2014.
You can keep Vista.