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Patches arrive for more than 40 holes affecting QuickTime, used by Apple and Windows systems, and Mac OS X.

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NASA put 7 Americans at Risk
by Znatok May 13, 2006 2:26 AM PDT
That header woud we expect from CNET next time Americans ride
on space shuttle?
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NASA put 7 Americans at Risk
by Znatok May 13, 2006 2:26 AM PDT
That header woud we expect from CNET next time Americans ride
on space shuttle?
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And Then !?
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 7:47 AM PDT
Nearly all the fixes are similar in nature, and are preventing buffer overruns.

To even suggest that this means there is a virus, and puts other PCs, or even the Macs at risk is plain laughable, since the news comes only because a documented update was made.

OSX users, just keep doing your regular software updates, and you will be fine. If you are feeling paranoid, for some reason (like the FUD retailers getting into your heads), just change your software update preferences to daily.

... I mean really folks, the news here is "My Gosh, look what they did! They fixed something in the OS and now its not a [potential] problem anymore!" ...
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And Then !?
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 7:47 AM PDT
Nearly all the fixes are similar in nature, and are preventing buffer overruns.

To even suggest that this means there is a virus, and puts other PCs, or even the Macs at risk is plain laughable, since the news comes only because a documented update was made.

OSX users, just keep doing your regular software updates, and you will be fine. If you are feeling paranoid, for some reason (like the FUD retailers getting into your heads), just change your software update preferences to daily.

... I mean really folks, the news here is "My Gosh, look what they did! They fixed something in the OS and now its not a [potential] problem anymore!" ...
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More CNET AGIT-PROP
by rslavelle May 13, 2006 9:17 AM PDT
Articles like this one are propaganda designed to agitate, thus
creating more hits on CNET, thus increasing ad revenues.
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More CNET AGIT-PROP
by rslavelle May 13, 2006 9:17 AM PDT
Articles like this one are propaganda designed to agitate, thus
creating more hits on CNET, thus increasing ad revenues.
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Some people can't see the trees because of the forest
by Andrew J Glina May 13, 2006 9:32 AM PDT
This is good supporting evidence that Mac OS X has less vulnerabilities due to its lack of users. Many of the problems existed in Mac OS 10.3 and yet have only just been found now, and most are core functions that can cause problems under normal usage.

A few of these problems (and most of the QuickTime problems) were not discovered by Apple, instead users did the responsible thing and reported to Apple the problem and gave them time to fix it. If it was Windows there would have been an announcement last year, an exploit a few weeks later, and a virus ten minutes later.
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Some people can't see the trees because of the forest
by Andrew J Glina May 13, 2006 9:32 AM PDT
This is good supporting evidence that Mac OS X has less vulnerabilities due to its lack of users. Many of the problems existed in Mac OS 10.3 and yet have only just been found now, and most are core functions that can cause problems under normal usage.

A few of these problems (and most of the QuickTime problems) were not discovered by Apple, instead users did the responsible thing and reported to Apple the problem and gave them time to fix it. If it was Windows there would have been an announcement last year, an exploit a few weeks later, and a virus ten minutes later.
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Everyones Ignorant
by beonedrine May 13, 2006 9:52 AM PDT
OK, everyone bashes each other, it happens, it's called maturation. What most readers seem to understand is that every vulnerabity that comes out through the media is the greatest, most destructive open hole ever that if it doesn't get patched, all hell is going to break loose!!!!
Why?
Vulnerabilities are just that, possible problems that are harmless with the proper security in place. They're amped up by the media to cause great concern and get the writer more pub on a national scene. It's called EXPOSURE!!
Mac-dorks, there are holes, we know this, you know this. Win-dorks, there are holes, everyone knows this. Linux-dorks, there are holes.....get the picture?
We happen to live in a world where everyone hates the man, the leader, the most powerful. Unlike what Steve would like, Bill takes the cake. Bill makes products (good or bad is regardless here) that have been purchased by the masses; albeit some ignorant masses as well. Steve tends to sell to the uber-rich white guy (sad but true) who tends to think everything they do is the best decision possible in a given situation.
What we have here is a pot brewing, that both sides tend to argue about. Each OS will have issues, it's inherant. The only issues that become a problem are those that are not safegaurded from in layered application security.

Can we discontinue the childhood debate of who's bike is cooler? It really doesn't matter, it's how you ride your bike that matters, who's the best rider out there? Show me, prove it, but please don't use message boards to express your ignorances and further continue devolution of the homosapien species.
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Nice Spin
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 11:42 AM PDT
But the hundreds of millions of users out there do not consider themselves a small user base. A minority user base, but small? If the user base was single dollar bills, I sure as hell wish I had that "small" user base.

Unix/OSX, and Linux ARE more secure than Windows. This is a un-deniable fact. Live with it, as your choice, and/or necessity dictates. But please stop trying to convice people that there is some kind of equal ground between these operating systems in regards to security. It is simply, and completely un-true.

By the way, send me the details about the reward, and I will try to cash in on it as well. Apple/PC/Linux/Unix fan, or whatever, I sure as hell could use the cash.
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Nice Spin
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 11:44 AM PDT
But the hundreds of millions of users out there do not consider themselves a small user base. A minority user base, but small? If the user base was single dollar bills, I sure as heck wish I had that "small" user base.

Unix/OSX, and Linux ARE more secure than Windows. This is a un-deniable fact. Live with it, as your choice, and/or necessity dictates. But please stop trying to convice people that there is some kind of equal ground between these operating systems in regards to security. It is simply, and completely un-true.

By the way, send me the details about the reward, and I will try to cash in on it as well. Apple/PC/Linux/Unix fan, or whatever, I certainly could use the cash.
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Everyones Ignorant
by beonedrine May 13, 2006 9:52 AM PDT
OK, everyone bashes each other, it happens, it's called maturation. What most readers seem to understand is that every vulnerabity that comes out through the media is the greatest, most destructive open hole ever that if it doesn't get patched, all hell is going to break loose!!!!
Why?
Vulnerabilities are just that, possible problems that are harmless with the proper security in place. They're amped up by the media to cause great concern and get the writer more pub on a national scene. It's called EXPOSURE!!
Mac-dorks, there are holes, we know this, you know this. Win-dorks, there are holes, everyone knows this. Linux-dorks, there are holes.....get the picture?
We happen to live in a world where everyone hates the man, the leader, the most powerful. Unlike what Steve would like, Bill takes the cake. Bill makes products (good or bad is regardless here) that have been purchased by the masses; albeit some ignorant masses as well. Steve tends to sell to the uber-rich white guy (sad but true) who tends to think everything they do is the best decision possible in a given situation.
What we have here is a pot brewing, that both sides tend to argue about. Each OS will have issues, it's inherant. The only issues that become a problem are those that are not safegaurded from in layered application security.

Can we discontinue the childhood debate of who's bike is cooler? It really doesn't matter, it's how you ride your bike that matters, who's the best rider out there? Show me, prove it, but please don't use message boards to express your ignorances and further continue devolution of the homosapien species.
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Nice Spin
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 11:42 AM PDT
But the hundreds of millions of users out there do not consider themselves a small user base. A minority user base, but small? If the user base was single dollar bills, I sure as hell wish I had that "small" user base.

Unix/OSX, and Linux ARE more secure than Windows. This is a un-deniable fact. Live with it, as your choice, and/or necessity dictates. But please stop trying to convice people that there is some kind of equal ground between these operating systems in regards to security. It is simply, and completely un-true.

By the way, send me the details about the reward, and I will try to cash in on it as well. Apple/PC/Linux/Unix fan, or whatever, I sure as hell could use the cash.
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Nice Spin
by Thomas, David May 13, 2006 11:44 AM PDT
But the hundreds of millions of users out there do not consider themselves a small user base. A minority user base, but small? If the user base was single dollar bills, I sure as heck wish I had that "small" user base.

Unix/OSX, and Linux ARE more secure than Windows. This is a un-deniable fact. Live with it, as your choice, and/or necessity dictates. But please stop trying to convice people that there is some kind of equal ground between these operating systems in regards to security. It is simply, and completely un-true.

By the way, send me the details about the reward, and I will try to cash in on it as well. Apple/PC/Linux/Unix fan, or whatever, I certainly could use the cash.
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The ignorant Preacher Speaks again
by beonedrine May 13, 2006 3:30 PM PDT
The reason you do not see viruses/scripts/backdoors in the Mac world is one simple reason=$.

If you can write a script to take advantage of a vulnerability in an OS, doesn't it make sense to write it for the OS that's used by hundreds of millions of people??
Write your destructive file, send it in a zip format to a SPAM list that you've purchased/snagged off the Internet, see how many people unpack that file only to be infected by a backdoor trojan.
Why would you send this into an enviornment where you can only dump that on 1 million users, when you can send it into a global enviornment that will dump it on 1 billion people?
Your chances of infection and spreading are much greater, your chances of gaining access to machines/stealing info/etc. become much higher which makes the whole damn process that much greater.
I know, we've all heard of the greater inherant security on a Mac......you can also perform the same administrative procedures on a Win machine, lock down the client via GP. Want to have a user without any rights to download, not let apps run, sure, change their user profile to reflect that.
Ruins your computing experience altogether, but it's safe!!!
Basically what it gets down to at a local level is the user themselves. Give me two machines of each Mac, Win, Lin, and I'll give you a good box, and a bad box every time. Somewhere across the board is going to be an app, whether that's multimedia, executable, or jpeg, there's going to be an underlying vuldernability. Your only as secure as the User keeps it.
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Your point is weak at best.....
by Earl Benser May 14, 2006 4:18 AM PDT
,,,, With over 114,000 active viruses, etc, now available for the PC,
there should be more than a few for the Mac. The relative quantity
argument gas been almost completely discredited. I'd guess that
between the Apple updates and the robustness of OS X, viruses.
etc, don't have a chance.

I agree that your OS only as secure as you keeps it. Mac's just make
the job so easy.
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The ignorant Preacher Speaks again
by beonedrine May 13, 2006 3:30 PM PDT
The reason you do not see viruses/scripts/backdoors in the Mac world is one simple reason=$.

If you can write a script to take advantage of a vulnerability in an OS, doesn't it make sense to write it for the OS that's used by hundreds of millions of people??
Write your destructive file, send it in a zip format to a SPAM list that you've purchased/snagged off the Internet, see how many people unpack that file only to be infected by a backdoor trojan.
Why would you send this into an enviornment where you can only dump that on 1 million users, when you can send it into a global enviornment that will dump it on 1 billion people?
Your chances of infection and spreading are much greater, your chances of gaining access to machines/stealing info/etc. become much higher which makes the whole damn process that much greater.
I know, we've all heard of the greater inherant security on a Mac......you can also perform the same administrative procedures on a Win machine, lock down the client via GP. Want to have a user without any rights to download, not let apps run, sure, change their user profile to reflect that.
Ruins your computing experience altogether, but it's safe!!!
Basically what it gets down to at a local level is the user themselves. Give me two machines of each Mac, Win, Lin, and I'll give you a good box, and a bad box every time. Somewhere across the board is going to be an app, whether that's multimedia, executable, or jpeg, there's going to be an underlying vuldernability. Your only as secure as the User keeps it.
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Your point is weak at best.....
by Earl Benser May 14, 2006 4:18 AM PDT
,,,, With over 114,000 active viruses, etc, now available for the PC,
there should be more than a few for the Mac. The relative quantity
argument gas been almost completely discredited. I'd guess that
between the Apple updates and the robustness of OS X, viruses.
etc, don't have a chance.

I agree that your OS only as secure as you keeps it. Mac's just make
the job so easy.
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Microsoft Advertorial
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 1:04 PM PDT
Seems like its always that way at CNET, bad news for Apple
spells good news for Microsoft. Then you see an article here on
CNET over-hyping what MS Vista is going to do.. and how great
its gonna be... coulda shoulda woulda..and so on and so forth..

Really. CNET must be getting paid some good money through
Microsoft. Ever see the videos CNET has always a Microsoft Ad
before we view a product review or an annoucement totally
unrelated to it .. Almost every ad on this site has Microsoft all
over it.. I mean they've had that laptop ad that turns into a tablet
pc for years now.. I mean that makes me laugh everytime i see
that.. shows MS lack of vision in its products..

The flaws of Quicktime doesn't really warrant an article does it??
Apple is usually very diligent at taking care of any of its flaws in
its software programs. Their working very hard for its customers
to grow their marketshare. An article like this somewhat
destroys there credibility.. and thats exactly what this site is
promoting.. in a very subtle but destructive way..

I mean how many people are using quicktime that need
maximum security anyways? Sheesh.. and the go write an article
on this .. as if it something we need to know and care about..

Enough of the fluff .. write something of greater importance then
any flaw from Apple's camp.. cause one they are far from few..
and Apple usually takes care of these things right away..

I wish I could say the same thing for Microsoft.. but heck their
struggling with their own OS right now..
Reply to this comment
Microsoft Advertorial
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 1:04 PM PDT
Seems like its always that way at CNET, bad news for Apple
spells good news for Microsoft. Then you see an article here on
CNET over-hyping what MS Vista is going to do.. and how great
its gonna be... coulda shoulda woulda..and so on and so forth..

Really. CNET must be getting paid some good money through
Microsoft. Ever see the videos CNET has always a Microsoft Ad
before we view a product review or an annoucement totally
unrelated to it .. Almost every ad on this site has Microsoft all
over it.. I mean they've had that laptop ad that turns into a tablet
pc for years now.. I mean that makes me laugh everytime i see
that.. shows MS lack of vision in its products..

The flaws of Quicktime doesn't really warrant an article does it??
Apple is usually very diligent at taking care of any of its flaws in
its software programs. Their working very hard for its customers
to grow their marketshare. An article like this somewhat
destroys there credibility.. and thats exactly what this site is
promoting.. in a very subtle but destructive way..

I mean how many people are using quicktime that need
maximum security anyways? Sheesh.. and the go write an article
on this .. as if it something we need to know and care about..

Enough of the fluff .. write something of greater importance then
any flaw from Apple's camp.. cause one they are far from few..
and Apple usually takes care of these things right away..

I wish I could say the same thing for Microsoft.. but heck their
struggling with their own OS right now..
Reply to this comment
MS Paid Advertorial
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 1:07 PM PDT
Seems like its always that way at CNET, bad news for Apple
spells good news for Microsoft. Then you see an article here on
CNET over-hyping what MS Vista is going to do.. and how great
its gonna be... coulda shoulda woulda..and so on and so forth..

Really. CNET must be getting paid some good money through
Microsoft. Ever see the videos CNET has always a Microsoft Ad
before we view a product review or an annoucement totally
unrelated to it .. Almost every ad on this site has Microsoft all
over it.. I mean they've had that laptop ad that turns into a tablet
pc for years now.. I mean that makes me laugh everytime i see
that.. shows MS lack of vision in its products..

The flaws of Quicktime doesn't really warrant an article does it??
Apple is usually very diligent at taking care of any of its flaws in
its software programs. Their working very hard for its customers
to grow their marketshare. An article like this somewhat
destroys there credibility.. and thats exactly what this site is
promoting.. in a very subtle but destructive way..

I mean how many people are using quicktime that need
maximum security anyways? Sheesh.. and the go write an article
on this .. as if it something we need to know and care about..

Enough of the fluff .. write something of greater importance then
any flaw from Apple's camp.. cause one they are far from few..
and Apple usually takes care of these things right away..

I wish I could say the same thing for Microsoft.. but heck their
struggling with their own OS right now..
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I fit quacks like a duck...
by lkrupp May 14, 2006 1:33 PM PDT
C|net has a long, well documented history of anti Apple
commentary and little, if any, anti Microsoft commentary. It's there
for all to see and read. That fact alone makes C|net irrelevant when
it comes to anything related to Apple Computer. Let them rant on.
Nobody believes them anyway.
MS Paid Advertorial
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 1:07 PM PDT
Seems like its always that way at CNET, bad news for Apple
spells good news for Microsoft. Then you see an article here on
CNET over-hyping what MS Vista is going to do.. and how great
its gonna be... coulda shoulda woulda..and so on and so forth..

Really. CNET must be getting paid some good money through
Microsoft. Ever see the videos CNET has always a Microsoft Ad
before we view a product review or an annoucement totally
unrelated to it .. Almost every ad on this site has Microsoft all
over it.. I mean they've had that laptop ad that turns into a tablet
pc for years now.. I mean that makes me laugh everytime i see
that.. shows MS lack of vision in its products..

The flaws of Quicktime doesn't really warrant an article does it??
Apple is usually very diligent at taking care of any of its flaws in
its software programs. Their working very hard for its customers
to grow their marketshare. An article like this somewhat
destroys there credibility.. and thats exactly what this site is
promoting.. in a very subtle but destructive way..

I mean how many people are using quicktime that need
maximum security anyways? Sheesh.. and the go write an article
on this .. as if it something we need to know and care about..

Enough of the fluff .. write something of greater importance then
any flaw from Apple's camp.. cause one they are far from few..
and Apple usually takes care of these things right away..

I wish I could say the same thing for Microsoft.. but heck their
struggling with their own OS right now..
Reply to this comment
I fit quacks like a duck...
by lkrupp May 14, 2006 1:33 PM PDT
C|net has a long, well documented history of anti Apple
commentary and little, if any, anti Microsoft commentary. It's there
for all to see and read. That fact alone makes C|net irrelevant when
it comes to anything related to Apple Computer. Let them rant on.
Nobody believes them anyway.
Never used it but i know what I'm taling about.
by scweezil May 14, 2006 4:43 PM PDT
And you did the usual...call someone with a different experience or
opinion than you a fanboy or fanatic. I use both systems (most Mac
users have) how about you? I doubt it. Therefore you're opinion is
given out of ignorance & is pretty much invalid.
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Never used it but i know what I'm taling about.
by scweezil May 14, 2006 4:43 PM PDT
And you did the usual...call someone with a different experience or
opinion than you a fanboy or fanatic. I use both systems (most Mac
users have) how about you? I doubt it. Therefore you're opinion is
given out of ignorance & is pretty much invalid.
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What does fan boy mean?
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 7:35 PM PDT
Yes I'm an Apple Fan. I admit it. I do use both PCs and Macs as
well. But clearly Apple is on to something here, when it comes to
their products, especially Mac OS X clearly years ahead of
Microsoft. Microsoft just talks too much about what will happen
instead of doing something about it now and blatantly copies
Apple. If you don't agree with that then your clearly blind and
certainly a Microsoft lover. I don't buy the fact that you have an
unbiased opinion. Everyone has to pick a side. Your view is just
confusing the whole issue of the MAC VS. PC debate. Clearly
your opinion is more irrelevant than mine. Atleast I chose a side,
whereas you haven't. Why bother writing your opinion when you
have none.

I highly doubt that you use macs on a frequent basis and
appreciate the value it has brought to this industry. Even
Microsoft knows Mac OS X's value or else they wouldn't even
bother producing Vista. They probably would have stuck with
Windows ME if their was no Mac OS X to compete with. But their
is so you Windows PC lovers out there should be thankful to
Apple.

Microsoft has always been the Imitator while Apple has always
been the Innovator. Apple always comes out with firsts and
Microsoft is always last on that list.

Microsoft is just Apple's evil twin brother. Plain and simple.
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Errrr.... you are a good example
by Andrew J Glina May 14, 2006 9:22 PM PDT
A fanboy sees the reality that exists only in his/her mind. With lines like "Mac OS X clearly years ahead of Microsoft" you have proved it. How can that be? They didn't even write most of it! That is like saying jockeys go faster than people who are walking. Further more, the "Apple innovates, and does not imitate" rant is just silly. Their only successful product at the moment is the iPod, and that is a copy. Besides, Apple have a long history of taking other peoples work and passing it off as theirs. There early laptops were designed by Sony, their camera was designed by Kodak, the core of the first iPods was made by PortalPlayer.
What does fan boy mean?
by ServedUp May 14, 2006 7:35 PM PDT
Yes I'm an Apple Fan. I admit it. I do use both PCs and Macs as
well. But clearly Apple is on to something here, when it comes to
their products, especially Mac OS X clearly years ahead of
Microsoft. Microsoft just talks too much about what will happen
instead of doing something about it now and blatantly copies
Apple. If you don't agree with that then your clearly blind and
certainly a Microsoft lover. I don't buy the fact that you have an
unbiased opinion. Everyone has to pick a side. Your view is just
confusing the whole issue of the MAC VS. PC debate. Clearly
your opinion is more irrelevant than mine. Atleast I chose a side,
whereas you haven't. Why bother writing your opinion when you
have none.

I highly doubt that you use macs on a frequent basis and
appreciate the value it has brought to this industry. Even
Microsoft knows Mac OS X's value or else they wouldn't even
bother producing Vista. They probably would have stuck with
Windows ME if their was no Mac OS X to compete with. But their
is so you Windows PC lovers out there should be thankful to
Apple.

Microsoft has always been the Imitator while Apple has always
been the Innovator. Apple always comes out with firsts and
Microsoft is always last on that list.

Microsoft is just Apple's evil twin brother. Plain and simple.
Reply to this comment
Errrr.... you are a good example
by Andrew J Glina May 14, 2006 9:22 PM PDT
A fanboy sees the reality that exists only in his/her mind. With lines like "Mac OS X clearly years ahead of Microsoft" you have proved it. How can that be? They didn't even write most of it! That is like saying jockeys go faster than people who are walking. Further more, the "Apple innovates, and does not imitate" rant is just silly. Their only successful product at the moment is the iPod, and that is a copy. Besides, Apple have a long history of taking other peoples work and passing it off as theirs. There early laptops were designed by Sony, their camera was designed by Kodak, the core of the first iPods was made by PortalPlayer.
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