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put up with this 'planned obselecence' marketing strategy. Who
do you think creates these viruses ad nauseum, patches it, then
forces you to buy a whole new system? Buy a MAC, or at least
shop around for alternative OS's and boycott Micro$oft. Support
the competition before this monopoly swallows us all up
completely!
Planned obselecence is part of how commerical software makes money. Vendors eventually stop supporting old software and hardware(Apple does it to). It's just not feasble for them to continue to support old software and hardware forever. If they did they'd be so tied up with old stuff they'd never develop anything new. Even open source projects move on eventually.
"Who do you think creates these viruses ad nauseum, patches it, then forces you to buy a whole new system?"
Conspiracy theories aren't particularly useful.
about Microsoft's new religion of security that
the Windows XP developers had flagged 70,000
known security issues in the operating system
(it'll take some Googling, but you ought to be
able to find it). In a typical year, 1000-2000
of those become public, and about 50% are fixed
(those given higher criticality ratings).
I'm pretty sure all of this is pretty much
understood at this point. You aren't buying MS
products for security, and prudent users / IT
managers simply recognize this sort of thing as
part of the cost of using the product -- like
the maintenance costs on a car.
Don't like it? Get a different car or go for a
boat... There's still costs involved, and
perhaps you need to change the way you drive,
but maybe something different is what you need.
Then again, maybe not -- perhaps the cost is
reasonable if it truly is the only model that
satisfies your needs.
a thousand reasons I love my Mac more than my PC. My PC is WORK
at home (even gaming), and WORK at WORK. My Mac is fun at home
and could be used at work if everything was not bug infested.
This is all F.U.D..
This flaw was discovered over a month ago and there has not been one computer infected.
Microsoft is currently providing protection from this flaw. Install Windows OneCare from the download site.
Microsoft Notice:
A security vulnerability in Windows could allow malicious software to infect your computer when opening an infected graphic or a malicious Web site. Microsoft is working on a patch, but Windows OneCare is protecting you now from known viruses using this flaw. As long as your Windows OneCare status remains 'green' or 'yellow' while you're connected to the Internet, Windows OneCare is protecting you. If your status is 'red' (at risk), please either take the requested action or go to the Help Center.
Advisory: 0.0.0.8
Release date: 01/03/2006
That's right, this site uses Web Bugs !!
Roger
makes you wonder what kind of schizophrenic place this is.... oh look these are bad....oh look lets use them!
makes me wonder about this site more and more...
A security vulnerability in Windows could allow malicious software to infect your computer when opening an infected graphic or a malicious Web site. Microsoft is working on a patch, but Windows OneCare is protecting you now from known viruses using this flaw. As long as your Windows OneCare status remains 'green' or 'yellow' while you're connected to the Internet, Windows OneCare is protecting you. If your status is 'red' (at risk), please either take the requested action or go to the Help Center.
Advisory: 0.0.0.8
Release date: 01/03/2006
Microsoft needs to held ultimately responsible...
This is all F.U.D..
This flaw was discovered over a month ago and there has not been one computer infected.
Microsoft is currently providing protection from this flaw. Install Windows OneCare from the download site.
Microsoft Notice:
A security vulnerability in Windows could allow malicious software to infect your computer when opening an infected graphic or a malicious Web site. Microsoft is working on a patch, but Windows OneCare is protecting you now from known viruses using this flaw. As long as your Windows OneCare status remains 'green' or 'yellow' while you're connected to the Internet, Windows OneCare is protecting you. If your status is 'red' (at risk), please either take the requested action or go to the Help Center.
Advisory: 0.0.0.8
Release date: 01/03/2006
1) Using Firefox as their primary browers
2) Using Zonealarm for: Firewall, Antivirus and Anti-Spyware
3) and also using as secondary measures: AVG-Antivirus, Spybot, M$'s Anti-spyware and Ad-aware
So...with all of this protection...should I be 'oh my God' type of fear or just 'umm..think I'll be just a little more cautious' type of mood?
little healthy paranoia keeps you from having to deal with these
issues.
Keep your stuff updated and run it regularly and you'll more than
likely be fine.
But just stick to websites you know and trust and you'll be fine. You have to view a dodgy website where the owner has purposely put a malicious WMF. You won't get infected reading CNet for example.
ZoneAlarm (per se -- ZoneAlarm will catch
network traffic from malware after it's been
installed). So far, none of the antivirus and
antispyware vendors have a fix. AdAware would
help if it's deployed in a banner ad.
The issue lies in a library shared by several
applications and system services. The method of
exploit is actually there by design -- which is
probably why it's taken so long to respond, to
verify that no legacy software is dependent on
the functionality.
One point of concern for you might also be the
overhead imposed by running ZoneAlarm, Spybot,
AdAware, and MS Antispyware. The memory
resources used vary quite a bit, but you're
sacrificing hundreds of megs of disk space and
20-30% of your CPU power running that stuff
(maybe more). Running those programs has a very
perceptible affect on the performance of your
computer.
The summary of the article is :
... A flaw has been found for Windows and some people are whining to get this patch they think is some miricle cure out to the public before anybody has had a chance to finish testing it because they feel as if Microsoft "owes it to them". ...
Do these people promise to NOT say anything negative about Microsoft if the patch comes out whether or not it doesn't work on some systems because it wasn't fully tested? Would these same people turn around and sing praises of Microsoft for their "quick turn-around"?
um, no.
It's so easy to blame Microsoft and want things to to be fixed yesterday but that doesn't change the fact I don't have a clue what's going on inside the Redmond campus right now. Are they playing tiddly-winks, or wearing their finger nails down typing like mad?
Macs can have, what, millions of configurations? That's still well behind the number Microsoft has to prepare for and is one factor in Apple's ability to build a more secure and stable OS (and re-writing it from scratch helps).
In a project management book I'm reading there are a number of examples going over how shrinking the proposed development time actually causes it to take longer and produce more bugs.
While waiting for the patch to come out, wouldn't it be nice to have a place list the infected websites so they can be avoided?
I use Windows at work, and Linux at home. Both systems work just fine.
Okay, so lots of people are over reacting about MS's security
problems. But, it's not like those problems are in any way new.
Or that they will actually get fixed.
And you are right that with no standardization in the PC world,
MS has a major problem in managing an OS. I've always said that
it's a miracle that Windows runs at all. The fact that it runs badly
is almost unavoidable, except for the MS marketing impact.'
And yes, Apple has an advantage in cleaning out the old code
and writing a new OS twice now in the past ten years or so. But
then Apple has the advantage in selecting both the OS and the
processor, as well as the motherboard design. MS can only work
the OS design, and then is less concerned about writing an OS
than they are about hanging on to their marketing position. So
MS jams every app they can find into their OS, and that just
compromises the h--- out of OS design and security. Apple
went with independent apps and a separate OS, and it works.
Too bad MS couldn't figure that one out. I'd have much better
running PC's in my system.
Linux is also a fairly good option, but I have yet to find Linux
apps that can actually replace MS Office Pro on the PC. And even
then, MS Office runs better on my Mac's than it does on my PC's.
Are we seeing the beginning of a paradigm shift?
If the patch has problems, Microsoft will face criticism.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/security/
I put up with windows for a good reason. I can get software that isn't available on mac or linux. Yes, the mac is a fine machine and runs nice, but when you have less than 5% of the market share, you don't have software vendors willing to write for it.
companies. Few businesses can afford to get rid of Microsoft
completely but I'm finding that some are now starting to put
their vulnerable Windows computers on a separate network
segment.
Doing that allows them to prevent their Windows users from
reaching the Internet, email, etc. and most importantly prevents
their Windows computers from being a source of attacks on the
rest of their network.
It's time for Microsoft to concentrate on X-Boxes instead of
trying to deliver a secure operating system. At least they have a
chance of success with the X-Box.
Oh really? I haven't seen a business network yet where the PC's weren't on a seperate network segment... and you're just finding this out? Without doing this, the company would have to provide a public IP address for every PC on their network. You bet you can control access... through a proxy server. Many companies do it to control access to the internet, email (internet email like aol and msn), etc. I don't know of many companies where internet email access IS authorized (employees do not have a right to their private email on work PC's) and companies do have a right to restrict access to websites (no porn, etc). This is how things have been for ages and it's not just a microsoft thing; all client PC's get this treatment reguardless of the operating system.
Try and tell me that both MAC and Linux don't get viruses and then go online are research for yourself how many security issues are currenly reported. If you're going to write comments like you did, you better include every operating system out there... "ALL operating systems are fast becoming a second class system..."
The only operating system I've found that couldn't get a virus was embedded on a ROM chip.
Is this all we might have to do for this particular threat?
Why doesn't someone build a program to monitor it and check all input and output? Something Microsoft or another company can easily update?
It would slow the computer down, but so do all the patchwork programs to check for and stop Malware. I would imagine that all Malware has some sort of signature.
There are programs that record everything going in or out. I have one that does that. Why not program one to checks checks for Malware and stops it or asks for your permission?
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I have no need for things like Java or Active-X. I keep them turned off and have no real problems. I can't get on a few sites, but nothing crucial to my normal use. If others felt the same, it would be used less by web sites. The pretty pitchers ain't worth the aggravation.
Why would I need an email client that handles HTML in the first place? Like the other two, I don't use it or need it.
Microsoft has too many such ports, many reserved for its own use. They should be blocked or eliminated. Personally, I think Microsoft has plans to get into the placing of ads itself. From past experience, when have they missed an opportunity to make money? I wouldn't doubt that they're collecting information on our viewing habits at this very moment.
I would never buy anything from an unsolicited ad. At the most, it might remind me of something I want to purchase. In which case I would do a search and pick the best place to buy it myself, certainly not simply clicking an ad. There has to be something to it though, since a lot of people do.
Oscar Rat
through a network channel, but it's not
technically feasible. Why? Because you'd need to
assemble the incoming packets,
decode/decrypt/uncompress chunks of data that
are arbitrarily compressed/encrypted, then
compare that chunk of data to a database of
fingerprints (which is nothing but an array of
regular expressions). While that's conceivable
(right down to being the "man-in-the middle" for
SSL traffic), you'd need to do it at line-speed
(the speed of the incoming traffic).
You wouldn't be able to pull it off using the
host-CPU at anything near ethernet speeds, you'd
probably need to throttle the connection speed
back to that of a conventional modem, maybe
slower. It's still computationally cheaper to
identify contexts where there's risk and address
those (and restrict yourself to exploits
relevent to the context -- such as a macro in a
word document). Why unzip a file to search for
viruses right away when you can defer that
action (and the penalty of the search procedure)
until the zip file is about to be opened?
Understand too, that some of the underlying
causes and design flaws of Windows (not all mind
you, just some) are addressed in Microsoft's
upcoming Vista. There are some basic security
practices that have been around for 20 years
that will see their first formal implementation
in Vista (like LUA). Vista won't solve all the
problems (like the WMF exploit), particularly if
nobody shells out the cash for it, but it will
go farther than anything Microsoft has done
before.
Haven't tried it myself yet as I don't use XP at home
In alot of cases this will force people to have to buy new hardware.
So far Microsoft has seen surges in sales of Windows XP for every flaw and exploit that has come out. THIS IS VERY WRONG! Microsoft should not be rewarded for poor programming. What's to stop them from deliberately creating flaws and vulnerabilities to increase sales.
The LAW needs to step in and FORCE Microsoft to patch "EVERY" version of Windows that is affected by this flaw... AT NO COST TO THE USER.
Download links be sent to google mail accounts (sorry if you dont have a google mail account or have never been sent an invite for one you are s.o.l)
The O/S is being called Giggle
Once you have installed Giggle you will have access to all of the Giggle multimedia products
(Giggle viewer, Giggle media player, and a new desktop search called Giggle This.) As well as an integrated competition to Office called, amazingly enough (lol) Giggle At Work
registered Giggle OS users will however be able to send out giggle invites to their friends whereby they too can download the GiggleWare and make the switch to what certainly will be the OS with the most smiles.
Bad news is that just like Google Mail the OS tracks you like a Wild Animal and keeps records of everything you do, see, and send even when you have deleted these records. The kept records will only be used for the purposes of being able to figure out how to sell you more useless **** as well as revenue streams for 3rd party marketeers.
AND JUST TO STOP THE LAWYERS FROM KNOCKING ON MY DOOR... THIS WAS ALL JUST FAIR USE UNDER THE GUISE OF A PARODY OF THE REAL AND ACTUAL GOOGLE COMPANY. AND AS STAUNCH DEFENDERS OF FAIR USE (SEE THEIR BOOK SCANNING PROJECT) THIS DISCLAIMER SHOULD SUFFICE TO PROTECT ME.
lol
- Try Here for the Patch
- by markdoiron January 4, 2006 9:27 AM PST
- all the sites hosting this patch are very, very busy. here's a link to a washington post article with a link in it to a site that has quite a few mirrors for the patch. i'd provide that link, but if you're like me you consider that might be an attempt at infection in and of itself!
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (103 Comments)http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/01/unofficial_patc.html
i figure you folks will trust the washington post. well, at least on tech (if not on politics!).
mark d.