Comments on: Q&A: What's ahead for Visual Studio and .Net

Microsoft's Matt Carter and Jason Zander talk tools and set out the company's manifesto for data democracy.

[Seaspray0]

And I thought the "flaming logo" was cool. Most of the apps I use today need net 2. I haven't even seen one require .net 3 and now we're going to net 4? I know it's good stuff, but I'm guessing the progammers are having a hard time keeping up with a new revision every couple of years.

[Mr. Dee]

At least the 'programmers' won't be complaining that Microsoft is not improving the Framework. I guess its used in different segments.

[The_Decider]

Improving it?

It is still a 3rd rate framework that can't do the simplest tasks that other environments can do.

.net is the ultimate lock in tool. There is no reason to use it.

[ranpha]

What is this 'simplest task' you are talking about. Care to give an example?

ANd BTW, did you ever heard of Mono? Mono 2 now supports System.Windows.Forms you know, amongst others.

[Penguinisto]

The only thing I've seen that requires .NET v3 and up is MSFT-built stuff (e.g. SharePoint).

I find it easier (and far, far more efficient on resources) to get the job done in something lower-level like C/C++, which has the added benefit of being cross-platform. :)

/P

[Orion Blastar]

Amen to that, pass the collection plate. :)

Visual Studio 2010 and .Net 4 just mean that Legacy Windows operating systems won't be able to run those applications as they won't be able to run .Net 4 that is required.

But hey with C/C++, Python, Free Pascal, Java, and other open source programming languages you don't use .Net and you can technically run on Windows Vista, XP, 2000, ME, 98 at least, but Windows 95 is usually phased out of open source development programming languages for some reason.

I got a bad feeling that .Net 4 and Visual Studio 2010 will be Vista and Windows 7.0 only and shut out XP and under users.

Also with each new Visual Studio version, it breaks legacy code, forcing us developers to rewrite the entire program or fumble through trying to make legacy code from older Visual Studio versions work on the new version.

[chuchucuhi]

I think many companies haven't really changed how their application is setup so it's their traditional application programming against .NET. As the business models change to more of a service and applications move from a strictly client/server model to a remoting application model they will have more to take advantage of in the newer versions of .NET. Not every application will require these upgrades to the technology but for emerging software as a service industries these changes provide more tools to deliver an application that doesn't feel as if everything you're doing is done via a remoting service.

[The_Decider]

.net is the ultimate API monkey framework. It is written by amateurs, for amateurs. The fact that it is not cross platform just makes it a lock-in tool. It exists for the benefit of MS, not the benefit of programmers or their customers.

The hallmark of a .net programmer is their total inability to do anything that isn't done for them in the library.

Reinventing the wheel is bad, but these "programmers" need to learn how to problem solve.

[ranpha]

The same can also be said about those who use Java or any of those AJAX frameworks like jquery and Dojo. What is your point exactly. That those who use those frameworks are professional? That certainly is wrong.

[pcfish]

You must have no actual programming background because the API is not tight to any specific platform. In fact, you can use most of the .Net API under the Mono Runtime on Linux/Unix and Mac OSX (except for the System.Form.* namespace)

Microsoft .Net is a direct competitor to Sun Java, tell me what make you comes up with the not-cross-platform conclusion.

[cb3431]

It's hard to keep up with all the new stuff, but I'm not complaining because each addition makes it easier to get things done.

[Penguinisto]

If it's so hard to keep up with, how do you know that your code is secure?

/P

[FanBoy200]

.Net 4.0 = More MS Kluge

kludge?
?noun Computer Slang.
a software or hardware configuration that, while inelegant, inefficient, clumsy, or patched together, succeeds in solving a specific problem or performing a particular task.

See also Technical Debt
Technical debt and design debt are synonymous, neologistic metaphors referring to the eventual consequences of slapdash software architecture and hasty software development. Example .NET 4.0 is loaded with Technical Debt.

[JCCox]

Yawn! VisualStudio is so 2001.

[neongreen007]

Nice post truly...all lot of useful info can be found in this post...but I have to agree with someone here...about the fact that Framework 4 is coming and a lot of people still haven't even started using framework 3 ...I mean I am a programmer (I am program in Visual studio) and I haven't still started using <a href="http://www.notionsolutions.com">Framework 3</a> and now that Framework 4 is coming..I think I am going to skip the 3 ..and it's not just me..I have a lot of friend that are also programmers and non of them have ever used Framework 3 as well..I mean it's just a funny and interesting thought...at least to me..

[timhdm]

I think IMHO, that the development community is too stuck up, i have been a professional freelance web developer for about two years now, and have taken the time to buy books and training, to learn several languages over the past 5 years. I think that if one is to critisize a tool developer (microsoft) they should be able to provide an substantiated argument to support that criticism. having learnt to a reasonable degree of c#, php, and java, for the purposes of web development I feel that any improvments in the server side runtimes should be welcomed with open arms by the community. As far as i'm aware no server side or client side language provides well documented explanations for gaining the best efficiency for todays multicore systems, and I for one am looking forward to .net4 for this at least. I also look forward to the latest release of the mono as i use this runtime on my server to implement .net code. I find it worrying that people are so quick to seek allegiance against or for microsoft, ok it is a large company who has a considerable share of the computing industry. But as developers, shouldn't we be striving to create the best we can, using all the tools at our disposal? rather than dismissing a tool just because of who produced it? I hope to achive better written code and lower overheads with everything i develop, it seems that many of the commenters who have negative things to say about .net4 are not able to offer an alternative. I'm very interested to see how php and java along with other languages handle the new cloud and parallel processing challanges, but I have only read about .net and its attempts to supply a working framework. Lets hope that the open source community will better microsoft's efforts forcing them to try harder. competition gives us innovation, which in turn gives us, the developer, a greater and more comprehensive tool set. Don't bicker and gripe about something unless you use it, and if you use it, get involved in the framework development process, offer your comments and submit bug reports. In general stop acting like a bunch of 7yr old girls and take responsibility for your tools, by opting to participate. Rather than expecting the development solution of your dreams to be handed to you on a plate and be perfect and bug free in every aspect.

[elchalateco]

Amen to that timhdm. Well said.

[technogeist2k6]

If you don't know what PLINQ and Monads are, then it's a sure bet that you're going to fall behind.

Yesterdays heroes.