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March 2, 2010 4:00 AM PST

Skype on TV: Will the videophone finally be reality?

by Erica Ogg

Robida videophone telephonoscope

1883 illustration of Robida's "telephonoscope," an early imagining of the videophone.

(Credit: "Le Vingtieme siecle. La vie electrique")

The imagined inventions of Victorian-era French novelist Albert Robida may be coming closer to reality.

Who, you ask? Robida was an illustrator and writer for popular science-fiction magazines, and is sometimes compared to Jules Verne. In his 1890 novel "Le Vingtieme siecle. La vie electrique," he described something called a "telephonoscope." Since then, we've seen telephonoscopes--basically videophones--in everything from "The Jetsons" to "Blade Runner." What we haven't seen is the videophone in our living rooms.

That may finally be changing.

Videophone Skype Panasonic

Panasonic's version of the videophone at CES 2010: Skype on TV.

(Credit: Sarah Tew/CNET)

The common use of videophones could happen through three technologies that separately aren't exactly considered bleeding edge today: high-speed Internet, a television, and Skype. Samsung says it will put the VoIP calling service Skype as an application on its televisions, allowing phone calls to be made on camera right from a couch, just like Jane Jetson talking into her TV set. The Samsung Skype-enabled TV follows similar announcements from Panasonic and LG at the Consumer Electronics Show in January.

The models will range from to $1,200 to $2,000 for Panasonic's set. Samsung and LG have not yet announced how much they will charge.

The Skype on TV application should work similarly on all three models, which in turn should closely mimic the version of the application that many people use to make free PC to PC calls, or for a fee, PC to landline. Skype accounts are free to set up and can be activated using the TV's remote control right on the screen. The video calls will also be free, as will voice calls between Skype users. Using Skype to call traditional landline and mobile phones is a few cents per minute. Calls can be answered while watching a program, but it's not yet possible to both talk and continue to watch uninterrupted.

By the time these models actually hit stores in late spring there should be three TV makers offering Skype on their TVs. And not just any three TV makers, but the world's largest overall (Samsung sells practically one of every five TVs sold), the leader in plasmas (Panasonic), and LG, which is close behind Samsung, selling 15 percent of all TVs.

While Robida wrote about the idea, AT&T did the most to advance the idea from the pages of Victorian sci-fi to actuality. Unfortunately its 1960s videophone system, known as the Picturephone, was a bust. Few ever signed up for the service because you had to reserve call times and pay a whopping $16 per minute.

The idea, however, was at least on the right track: making videophones accessible to normal folk. Today teleconferencing is a common tool for companies to put employees in different locations virtually, if not physically, in the same conference room. But the high cost of the fancy systems from companies like Cisco and Hewlett-Packard doesn't make them consumer-friendly. Cisco also announced at CES it would be offering a home version of its telepresence software sometime this year, and did not yet mention a price.

Videophones for the home have never really caught on in the way they have at businesses. Even versions of the concept built into a corded telephone didn't really generate much excitement. Usually this was a small screen attached to a phone base station and conversations had to take place wherever the phone was plugged in, which tended to be places like a dresser or a kitchen counter.

Video calls today can be made online. They're easy and cheap, and of course don't require the purchase of an pricey new TV. A computer with a built-in Webcam and a voice-over-IP service like Skype or a chat application like Yahoo Messenger usually suffice, but it is still an activity that's attached to a computer, and therefore going to be intimidating to people who either don't like or have trouble with technology.

TVs are far more accessible though. Now with major companies like Samsung, Panasonic, and LG pushing the idea of the TV as videophone, the concept does at least have the chance to catch on. Consumer surveys show that people are beginning to buy Internet-connected TVs, which allow not just Skype calls, but also other activities on the TV that are normally confined to the computer. That includes accessing Internet radio and video streaming from services like Pandora and Netflix, and social sites like Twitter, Facebook, and Flickr.

A survey of 800 U.S. consumers who bought TVs in January found that 27.5 percent of them have connected their new sets to the Internet, either through the TV itself or via an external device such as a game console or digital video box, according to iSuppli. And of those, almost 42 percent recently purchased a Web-connected TV. And Skype likely won't be a brand new concept to a lot of those new TV owners. Skype already has over 521 million registered accounts, so there's a built-in audience who is already signed up and knows how to use it.

But the quality may not be what some people expect, says DisplaySearch analyst Paul Gagnon.

"Teleconferencing is inherently kind of a low-quality experience, especially in a consumer home. On a computer it works OK, but blown up to the size of the TV, I wasn't terribly impressed with some of the demos at CES," he said.

And quality aside, even in terms of logistics, there's a lot to consider. Even with an Internet-connected TV, you still need a decent Internet connection, and for a two-way video call, you have to have people on the other end with the same set up. In other words, "it's really early," Gagnon said.

Time will tell if videophones are just a fad or about to become an integral part of the modern idea of the "connected living room." The tools are there, but it's entirely possible that people don't want to use their TVs like that. Either way, even if the latest incarnation of Robida's telephonoscope doesn't gain widespread acceptance, he still has a decent track record for his prognostications. Other things he predicted in the same 1890 novel? The use of submarines, helicopters, and biological warfare.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by GeekyPest March 2, 2010 4:32 AM PST
I see the major problem with Skype video calls on TV to be the same as the computer problem. The wife needs to clean the room, get dressed and do her make up before answering calls.... ;-)
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by mike_ekim March 2, 2010 6:33 AM PST
Single dads (like me) have the same problem - who wants to show the world you're a slob who can't keep house?
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by sharmajunior March 2, 2010 6:44 AM PST
Once I was on telepresence and the person on the other side's wife walked in naked. LOL

Everyone at the company was like, whaaaat?!
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by kenstech_com March 2, 2010 4:47 AM PST
The problem with video enabled phones is that people are self conscious, even at their best, about appearing on video call. Most people will choose voice only mode, or an avatar, but they wont want to have themselves seen (and potentially taped).

If manufacturers are going to see this technology work, they are going to have to come up with a solution to this problem.

Ken
http://www.kenStech.com
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by g8crapachino March 3, 2010 3:14 PM PST
So you just screen your calls like you do now and enable the video only when you want to. What's the problem?
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by mexxa84 March 23, 2010 12:54 PM PDT
Are we a little slow today? Or do we just like to comment on things we know nothing about? You can already do what you are talking about.
by supoman March 2, 2010 5:54 AM PST
In response to the above post about vanity, I think these calls will be with family members most of the time and not complete strangers. We already use Skype to talk to my son at college. No hair and makeup required. This just makes it easier since most people sit in front of the boob tube most of the time anyway!!
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by jumpjetta March 2, 2010 5:55 AM PST
I'm not going to stand in front of my TV at home to make a call any more than I will ever use a land-line in my home to place a call. Too tethered.
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by g8crapachino March 3, 2010 3:00 PM PST
This isn't about being mobile. You're saying you have never ever recieved or placed a phone call while at home watching TV?
by mike_ekim March 2, 2010 6:35 AM PST
This sort of thing is good for christmas and birthdays, etc.
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by inachu1 March 2, 2010 6:50 AM PST
I hope current new owners of the new LG can download a firmware update or something.
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by dinkeldorf March 2, 2010 6:52 AM PST
This is interesting. There's only so much differentiation possible in a TV (480hz? 3D TV?) but I'm not sure if folks want a TV as their platform.
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by AeroJonesy March 2, 2010 7:02 AM PST
In Soviet Russia, TV watches you.

(It had to be said...)
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by QA_Tester March 2, 2010 10:23 AM PST
This is funny, but not for the reason you think. Soviet Russia? Is United States in Washington?
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by ColeSlaw82 March 2, 2010 12:38 PM PST
@QA_Tester - This is funny for exactly the reason AeroJonesy thinks...

See "Russian Reversal" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff
by DarwinsGod March 3, 2010 1:15 AM PST
Family Guy Reference?
by bernhardpottjr March 2, 2010 7:05 AM PST
The ACN Video Phone has been available for nearly 2 years. It was demonstrated to the world on Celebrity Apprentice last year!
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by jbernatek March 2, 2010 12:05 PM PST
I have an ACN Video Phone!! They are way easier to use compared to Skype and the video quality is seemless.
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by FZ1Darren March 2, 2010 7:31 AM PST
when they can get the phone image windowed in the corner of the set so you can still watch the game then i think it might have a chance.
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by chris_kerins March 2, 2010 7:47 AM PST
The problem is not the technology. It's been available for decades. The problem is no one wants it. Simple as that.
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by countertorque March 2, 2010 10:19 AM PST
My parents in their 60's will never figure out how to use skype on their PC. But, if there was a simple to use TV interface, I think we'd use this all of the time. I have small kids and I live far away. There's definitely a demand for the grandparents to see them.
by QA_Tester March 2, 2010 10:32 AM PST
People are beginning to want it. For me it's a blessing. I have family on both coasts and in several countries. Add some friends and classmates and there is plenty of people I do communicate with using Skype on computer already.
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by g8crapachino March 3, 2010 3:10 PM PST
There is alot of technology we take for granted now that took awhile to catch on. Cost is usually the reason, not whether people actually want it or not. For example, the first Cell phone was in 1973 but cell phones never became cheap and accessible until the 90's.

A videophone that's actually cheap and accessible may have a chance now.
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by viper396 March 3, 2010 3:23 PM PST
@chris_kerins. Skype already has millions of customers that regularly use the video conferencing feature with their PC's. Military members in Iraq and Afghanistan regularly video conference their love ones at home. Many businesses use video conferencing all the time.

Apparently all those people didn't get your memo about nobody wanting it.
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by mbeoletto March 2, 2010 8:22 AM PST
I used to think having a video phone would be really cool. Now I think about what a pain it would be to clean up and comb your hair and such just to talk on the phone.
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by QA_Tester March 2, 2010 10:33 AM PST
oh you mean the stuff you have to do anyways?
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by G2001 March 2, 2010 8:38 AM PST
Tethered or not, there is a need and a use. People, get your heads out of the sand. "no one wants it", "vanity". Are you really technology people?

Need - kids at college. Easy way to communicate weekly (and make sure they are breathing).
Need - Relatives/friends in different states. How else to see someone's newborn, birthday parties, engagement, etc.
It will start with these users and users of Skype. When a TV becomes a computer with a really large screen, then we will see all of the other uses (and acceptance) come to life.

Think of the size of a television. Now think of a pc (with built in webcam). Why can't they seem to merge these two pieces of equipment? Really is simple. Make the TV an inch or two thicker.
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by csg7 March 2, 2010 9:05 AM PST
I have a desktop connected to my HDTV and we do Skype video calls with my family members and my parents can have fun with the kids. Having this feature in built into the TV is cool but I guess I will still have a desktop connected for other needs.

With Skype HD around the corner, will these TVs automatically upgrade to include the feature (assuming you have a HD webcam) ?
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by encoent March 2, 2010 9:24 AM PST
I think the common sense approach to this technology is to verify the call first, then decide to accept it as video.
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by fleurya March 2, 2010 9:41 AM PST
Well it needs to be commonplace by 2015. That and hovering cars. At least, that's what Back to the Future II promised us!
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by lwvirden March 2, 2010 10:19 AM PST
Something that wasn't obvious to me - probably due to the length of time since I last did serious television shopping - was whether these new internet televisions came with web cams and keyboards or if users were expected to go out, buy and install such extras.

Also, I've seen skype video used in a variety of situations and each time the results was pretty slow - certainly not real time video quality. I presume that is going to be the case in these situations as well.

Internet through one's television has been attempted for many years (WebTV, etc.) . Each new attempt seems to get some things better, but at the speed the internet changes, the devices tend to get left behind. Hopefully the internet enabled televisions can be automatically upgraded (as well as updated externally in those cases where the last update screwed up the firmware to the point it can no longer connect).
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by jwojewidka March 2, 2010 10:13 PM PST
FIrst (as someone said above), Skype HD is coming soon. TV's already have plenty of resolution and are fast. Skype (software) only needs to catch up over time; which, of course, it will. Next, bandwidth will continue to get better, with a nice bump in overall speeds coming soon. That will take care of any sub-par video. Looking at this issue from a PC vs. TV perspective is wrong. Skype is an app. Just like TIVO. When it becomes a feature set of the entertainment center - and it will, period - the distinction between platforms will disappear. Just like TIVO. Our family already uses it PC-PC and it has been indispensable when I am overseas. I have many friends who use it daily in the place of a phone call (crazy hair and all). And you don't have to be a genius to see how kids of all ages have totally embraced video. This is a no-brainer.
by Ferretkeeper March 2, 2010 10:30 AM PST
I use a 37 inch 1080p TV as my monitor. It has a picture in picture feature, therefore I could make Skype video calls whilst watching a TV program . I also have a link to a 40 inch 1080p in my living room, and have a wireless keyboard and mouse which I carry through from the office. The technology already exists; these products seem superfluous
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by netclift March 2, 2010 10:44 AM PST
On Saturday we connected a laptop to my brother's flat panel TV with the camera on the top of the TV for a Skype connection using the awesome QuickCam Pro9000.

Key is getting the camera at the right level and being able to adjust it so as best you can the kids can look at the screen and see the other kids looking back that them. In our case the kids on our end went nuts trying to pet my other brother's "virtual" dog.

Also important is using a camera that can handle low light and is very good at picking up voices and of course avoiding background noise.

Put this in a 500 dollar flat panel and I might even buy one myself.
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by share7 March 2, 2010 10:50 AM PST
this not final step.but it is very important basement to future innovations.
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