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March 16, 2010 9:04 AM PDT

Microsoft modernizes Web ambitions with IE9

by Stephen Shankland

For those who doubted that Microsoft was serious in its effort to re-engage with the Web, it's time to put the skepticism aside.

At its Mix conference in Las Vegas on Tuesday, Microsoft gave programmers, Web developers, and the world at large a taste of things to come with its Web browser. Specifically, Microsoft released what it's calling the Internet Explorer 9 Platform Preview, a prototype that's designed to show off the company's effort to improve how the browser deals with the Web as it exists today and, just as important, to add support for new Web technologies that are coming right now.

The new software is only a framework, raw enough that it's still missing a "back" button. But with "a few" updated preview versions set to arrive at eight-week intervals, the project will develop into a beta, a release candidate, and eventually the full-fledged product IE9, said Dean Hachamovitch, general manager of Internet Explorer and the executive who'll describe the project at Mix.

Coming in the new version is support for new Web standards including plug-in-free video; better performance with graphics, text, and JavaSript by taking advantage of modern computing hardware; and a new effort at gathering and responding to feedback from those using the prototype software, Hachamovitch said.

Dean Hachamovitch, IE general manager

Dean Hachamovitch, IE general manager

IE9 is months from release, but already it holds the potential to alter the browser market. Not only could it reinvigorate competition with a host of new rivals, it could help usher in the cloud computing era that some of those rivals are eager to embrace. In that era, the Web transforms from a foundation for static documents and Web sites into a foundation for interactive programs.

IE6, released in 2001 when Microsoft had won the browser wars of the 1990s, still is widely used today. It's loathed among Web developers who want to use more modern Web technologies, and despite the release of IE8 a year ago, Microsoft is still saddled with a reputation as a company behind the browser curve. Mozilla's Firefox now accounts for nearly a quarter of usage, Google's Chrome has burst onto the scene and now is in third place, while Internet Explorer continues to gradually lose its share of usage.

With IE9, though, Microsoft is trying to rebuild the browser for the Web that's to come through new standards such as HTML5 and CSS3, updates to Hypertext Markup Language for describing Web pages and Cascading Style Sheets for formatting.

The software caught the attention of Microsoft's biggest browser rival. "IE9 looks great, very glad to see it. Congrats to the IE team!" said Mike Shaver, vice president of engineering at Firefox backer Mozilla, in a tweet.

New Web standards

"We saw that HTML5 will enable a new class of applications. Those applications are going to stress the browser runtime in ways today's Web sites don't," Hachamovitch said in an interview. "We realized very quickly that doing HTML5 right was much more about designing all our browser subsystems around what the new apps will need than it was about a particular feature checklist. It's understanding where the apps are going to go and building the platform that will get them there."

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Is IE9 enough?
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Over my dead body.
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With IE8, Microsoft put a priority on complying with existing standards, a dramatic turnaround from an earlier attitude that resentful Web developers saw as "Standard? IE is the standard." With IE9 Microsoft is moving its standards religion into the future.

The company signaled its heightened interest in Web standards through new engagement in developing HTML5 and SVG, the Scalable Vector Graphics standard that the company shunned for years despite its possibilities for better rendering of graphics such as logos. IE9, those standards arriving as an actual product.

IE9 has "HTML5 through and through," Hachamovitch said, as well as support for CSS3 and for showing SVG 1.1 imagery inline. Hachamovitch's demo shows H.264-encoded HTML5 video, and he said that graphics such as maps are vastly more sophisticated with SVG support.

When Microsoft showed IE9 technology in November, it didn't shy away from IE's poor showing on the Acid3 test of compliance with various standards and technologies. IE8 scores 20 out of 100, the November IE technology reached 32, but the IE9 Platform Preview makes it up to 55. Microsoft also dings the test as imperfect, adding in a blog post, "A key part of our approach to Web standards is the development of an industry standard test suite. Today, Microsoft has submitted over 100 additional tests of HTML5, CSS3, DOM [Document Object Model, the structure of a Web page], and SVG, to the W3C," the World Wide Web Consortium that oversees HTML and various other Web standards.

New JavaScript Engine

Another headline element for IE9 is a new JavaScript engine. When it comes to these engines for running Web-based programs, Chrome has V8, Opera 10.5 has Carakan, Safari has Nitro, and Firefox has the new JaegerMonkey.

Now Internet Explorer has its own new name for a JavaScript Engine: Chakra. On Microsoft's test on the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark, IE9 Platform Preview is a tad faster than Firefox (using the older TraceMonkey engine) and a tad slower than Safari, Chrome, and Opera.

IE9 is competitive with rivals on the SunSpider JavaScript speed test.

IE9 is competitive with rivals on the SunSpider JavaScript speed test.

(Credit: Microsoft)

The finer points of exactly where IE shows up in the rankings are less important than the comparison to IE8 and earlier versions, which by comparison crawl through JavaScript.

One big change in the JavaScript engine that Hachamovitch is proud of is its multicore support. As soon as a Web page is loaded, Chakra assigns a processing core to the task of compiling JavaScript in the background into fast code written in the native language of the computer's processor.

Hachamovitch distinguishes this from the just-in-time compilation approach of other browsers, which he criticizes as a difficult balance of optimizing code well without slowing down the arrival of Web pages.

There are other efforts to make JavaScript a richer programming foundation, including the Web Workers standard to let JavaScript perform background processing tasks. Microsoft, though, wants to improve the Web as much as possible without requiring new programming approaches.

With the Chakra approach, "developers don't have to change their markup. The Web page didn't have to change. Essentially, dual- and quad-core machines get put to good use," Hachamovitch said.

Microsoft already showed off IE9's use of Direct2D and DirectWrite, interfaces in Windows Vista and Windows 7 that can accelerate graphics and text. At Mix, Hachamovitch's demonstration shows the technology works to speed up SVG graphics as well.

Feedback time

The IE9 Platform Preview itself is a change, too. Previously, Microsoft delivered a more finished product to the world. Now it's trying to get feedback at an earlier stage of development. And it's explicitly seeking comment on a wide range of elements:

"The main technologies to call out here broadly are HTML5, CSS3, DOM, and SVG," Hachamovitch said in a blog post. "The IE9 test drive site has more specifics and samples. At this time, we're looking for developer feedback on our implementation of HTML5's parsing rules, Selection APIs, XHTML support, and inline SVG. Within CSS3, we're looking for developer feedback on IE9's support for Selectors, Namespaces, Colors, Values, Backgrounds and Borders, and Fonts. Within DOM, we're looking for developer feedback on IE9's support for Core, Events, Style, and Range."

Alphabet soup, to be sure. But when it comes to building a modern Web, those letters all reflect important standards. Microsoft's embrace is all the more significant given that, with its Windows and Office businesses, has the most to lose from the migration of applications from the PC to the cloud.

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank, or contact him through Google Buzz.
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by javawebdeveloper March 16, 2010 9:38 AM PDT
"but the IE9 Platform Preview makes it up to 55. Microsoft also dings the test as imperfect,"

Uh oh, I liked what I was reading until I got to this point. All the other major browsers score over 90% now. I hope they're not saying that they cannot get to that point because the tests are wrong. That sounds suspiciously like their gross misinterpretation of the box model in IE6. Stop making excuses, MS, and follow the existing standards!
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by amarkj March 16, 2010 9:50 AM PDT
Wait til the final product then complain.
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by cbscowards March 16, 2010 10:14 AM PDT
@amarkj:

No, then it's too late. MS needs to hear the message that we need a fully working browser before it is considered complete and ready for release. I don't care if it has the best HTML 5 support and fastest hardware acceleration if its HTML4/CSS2 model is still broken.
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by Lennron March 16, 2010 10:16 AM PDT
@ amarkj

Why should he wait for the final product to complain? I for one decided that Avatar was a horrible movie with bad special effects several years ago when it was just actors performing in front of a green screen. And I was right. Practically nobody saw or liked Avatar. Right?
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by aMUSICsite March 16, 2010 10:19 AM PDT
"Wait til the final product then complain."

Isn't the point of a preview / test version to allow you to complain before it goes live?
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by jweikel March 16, 2010 11:01 AM PDT
@Lennron
Your statement blows my mind. There's really only two ways to take it: sarcastically or literally. If you take it sarcastically, are you suggesting that we wait until it's too late? On the other hand, if you are serious, how can you be so out of touch with people's opinion and the numbers behind Avatar?
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by fudbuster77 March 16, 2010 11:18 AM PDT
@Lennron:

You're absolutely right. We should all be able to complain about something we have incomplete or insufficient information on. It's only fair- people are slamming the iPad as being inferior to a netbook even though it's not out yet.

Of course, those people who DO complain look like complete and utter morons, but that is their choice to do so.
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by bbreuer9 March 16, 2010 11:34 AM PDT
"Practically nobody saw or liked Avatar. Right?" Just like no one saw or liked Gone With the Wind, the original Star Wars, or Titanic either....
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by dhavleak March 16, 2010 1:44 PM PDT
@ javawebdeveloper

You're giving undue importance to Acid3 again. It's a suite of 100 obscure test cases -- hardly a representative sample out of the 10,000+ you would need to verify standards compliance. What data do the Acid3 authors use to conclude that these 100 test cases are more important than the rest of the test suite?
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by GajaKannan March 16, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
People that responded to the poll as "over my dead body" and "Come back? I never left?" should not post comments to this post, correct?
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by play7 March 16, 2010 5:27 PM PDT
"by bbreuer9 March 16, 2010 11:34 AM PDT
"Practically nobody saw or liked Avatar. Right?" Just like no one saw or liked Gone With the Wind, the original Star Wars, or Titanic either...."

HAHAHAHA I didnt see it nor do i care too. Gone With the Wind is the only one i saw all of these so much for logic a? :/

Anyways these days people use what they like , nit everyone follows the trend. Trends can be a bad when prodcuts are over hypered m,y otehr browers other then IE. OMH people these days do think for themselves without following every loser off the cliff to their pit of death of narrow minded thinking :/ Get Real not everyone believe half the BS on Cnet these days. Go push your views on theose that blieves everything written on the internet by simple minded kids.
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by foxhound22003 March 16, 2010 9:47 AM PDT
Another empty promise from Microsoft. They should just do away with Internet Explorer and just let people decide which browser to install as they did in Windows 7 versions in Europe.
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by pdbrickhouse March 16, 2010 10:36 AM PDT
Those damn empty promises... xbox360, windows 7, windows 7 mobile, etc. LOL @ U. You should change with the times as well as MS is now doing.
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by lennie22 March 16, 2010 1:34 PM PDT
go watch the MIX10 IE9 preview and then come back here and make that statement with a staight face
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by Ryan-Hemler March 16, 2010 8:43 PM PDT
The only reason there is a ballot screen in the EU, is because Opera gets cranky when it does not get its way. The ballot screen will just lead to confusion. Besides, I don't see why Microsoft should have to offer other products. It's like owning a store and being told you HAVE to carry a certain product.
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by G-Skaf March 17, 2010 1:08 AM PDT
For users who didn't know they were using a web browser in the first place, yes, it may create confusion.

About the store analogy: It's like owning one HUGE store in town, where people have to shop, whether they like it or not (e.g. because of Windows-only software or hardware).

At least in the EU we haven't quite fallen for the "the market will take care of everything" daydream.
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by FellowConspirator March 16, 2010 9:53 AM PDT
Where's the value proposition for MS? If what they build is merely a browser that properly implements HTML5, CSS, DOM, and JavaScript (and it's still not clear how strong their commitment to that is), then they are merely implementing something that already exists for their platform. How is it worth the enormous expense? Would it not be cheaper and easier to jump on the WebKit bandwagon and use V8 or Nitro? They could drastically cut their cost, normalize functionality across platforms (including their mobile platform), etc. Writing a new IE seems like a large expense and unnecessary duplicate of effort for no tangible benefit (and, potentially their detriment).
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by ade333 March 16, 2010 10:19 AM PDT
You ask yourself a dumb question and then base your reply on it. You sound like a right-wing politician. If you simply rephrase "If what they build is merely...." to "If what they build is awesome..." then all your blabbering is irrelevant. You're crying over a pre-beta product. And you're also inferring that you are smarter than Microsoft... bit of a reach don't you think?
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by jweikel March 16, 2010 11:14 AM PDT
Alright, I'll play devil's advocate.

@Fellow
I wish they would stick to the same platform. That would be great for me as a web designer/developer. This would cut time and development costs. However, MS needs a game changer. Granted, they are still in the lead by a significant margin, I still believe they're only one Vista short of losing that lead to their competition.

To jumpstart this, they're going to have to come up with something that renders sites as developers would expect, but also provide a unique experience. I can tell you personally, I will not go back to IE unless it offers a BETTER experience than Chrome, not just something "on par". It's really a costs vs. market share argument which I'm sure they analyzed and decided going back to the drawing board was they best option.

@ade
I'd say given the current (current being the key word) state of Window Vista, declining market share of IE, and almost boycott-like opposition from developers for WinMo, it's not a stretch at all for someone to think they're smarter than a MS exec. That sounds like a game show...

And it's not a dumb question at all to way ROI and time and development cost. I would hope for anyone who might work for you that you're not an owner/manager.
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by jweikel March 16, 2010 11:17 AM PDT
dang, I meant "weigh" >.<
by Endbringer March 16, 2010 12:36 PM PDT
@ade33

You sound like a left-wing politician.
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by FellowConspirator March 16, 2010 12:46 PM PDT
@ade33: "If what they build is awesome" ... fine, but they're stated goal is not "to be awesome". Their stated goal is to implement a browser with the same feature set (mostly) of other browsers. I'm not complaining or putting down IE9, I'm just curious as to how they justify the expense of development.

As a shareholder of Microsoft, I see that they are spending considerable financial and personnel resources to build IE9. Their demonstrations of the current state show a browser that's pretty much what you'd expect out of a browser, nothing surprising or innovative, but it's still in development. BUT, when asked about what will be new and radical in IE9, they are talking HTML5 support, support for SVG and the video tag, improved JavaScript performance, and compliance CSS and DOM standards.

So, why make a browser who's revolutionary feature is to provide the features that other browsers are supporting? Even if you wanted to add features, why not forgo the effort of the core development of the HTML renderer, DOM, and JavaScript engine and use what's already freely available as a starting point and move on from there? I seems like a very large expense without necessity or justification. Surely Microsoft doesn't have to prove its software development acumen by coding up a new browser just to show that it can.
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by alphaneuron March 16, 2010 1:04 PM PDT
@FellowConspirator

It is unlikely they are simply trying to create a product for its own sake. It's probably a strategic move aimed at having code ready so that they can play their game of making subtle nonstandard changes to standards when they feel ready to do so. The next step is to encourage devs to write nonstandard code that only works with MS products, and eventually making sure customers are forced to use MS products. It's the reason IE6 is still around. It's a cycle everybody has seen before. Your investment in MS is safe.
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by lennie22 March 16, 2010 2:04 PM PDT
@Fellow
you're there talking, have you seen the Day 2 keynote of IE9. SVG is done better than in Chrome, HTML5 video are done better than in Chrome, Javascript performane is almost on par with Chrome and is even better than FF3.6
by lennie22 March 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT
@ jweikel
check out in your Chrome browser: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/01FlyingImages/Default.html
and see how many frames persecond you get. I don't have Chrome installed, but IE9 preview gives 65fps.

also check this in Chrome: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/40PulsatingBubbles/Default.xhtml
thats some SVG going on, in IE9 its smooth as silk.
by knowles2 March 20, 2010 7:21 AM PDT
FellowConspirator May be they look what happens when a eco system become dominated by one brand or one species. Its become far more vulnerable to hackers an crackers or viruses of this world, it also become stagnant an dies, Windows 90% control of the PC market is perfect example of why we do not want everyone switching to the same rendering engines, or the same Java engine, diversity breeds resistance it will also makes the criminal lives a lot harder if they have to find flaws in in five different browsers all design differently.
by Teja81 March 16, 2010 9:56 AM PDT
Was this article reviewed by an editor, it has so many typo's. The content is good though.

"while Internet Explorer continues to gradually lose its share of suage."
"Microsoft is trying to rebuilt the browser"
"dual- and quad-core machiens get put to good use"
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by OfficerNelson March 16, 2010 10:12 AM PDT
I think Stephen was just trying to convey that the sewage that is Internet Explorer is gradually being cleaned out by third parties.
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by al2o3cr March 16, 2010 12:00 PM PDT
"Was this article reviewed by an editor, it has so many typo's."

An apostrophe DOES NOT MEAN "here comes an S". Kindly learn that before you try the grammar-nazi routine again, douchington.
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by smilin:) March 16, 2010 12:52 PM PDT
lol @ douchington
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by frobots March 16, 2010 9:59 AM PDT
There comes the microsoft train in full steam to disrupt standards efforts.
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by ade333 March 16, 2010 10:23 AM PDT
Or maybe improve them? You must have missed this part.

"Today, Microsoft has submitted over 100 additional tests of HTML5, CSS3, DOM [Document Object Model, the structure of a Web page], and SVG, to the W3C," the World Wide Web Consortium that oversees HTML and various other Web standards. "

They're saying lets flush out all the grey space and get real about standards.


For those of you who don't know what the standards are, you should probably shut your mouth in stead of blasting off half baked commments.
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by Ebraheem March 16, 2010 10:55 AM PDT
They didn't mention ActiveX, Web Slices, or any of their junk 'extensions'. I'm slightly optimistic here, maybe Microsoft finally realized that "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" doesn't work well with the Internet.
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by frobots March 16, 2010 11:20 AM PDT
I didn't miss anything, but coming from Microsoft a doubt they will implement it without corrupting anything.
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by alphaneuron March 16, 2010 7:06 PM PDT
@ade333

Ah. Perhaps you expect MS to advertise that they're trying to undermine standards? You think MS is trying to get real about standards? Historically MS have tried to subvert standards to lock customers into MS software, not "get real" about them. Any sudden MS interest in a standard should be suspected to be a smokescreen designed to destroy standards. Even if they're not doing it already, given MS history I think it's much more likely they're simply positioning themselves so they CAN control standards in the future.

I don't think arguing based on clear historical patterns is "blasting off half baked comments". Blindly defending MS, on the other hand, is.
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by Dalkorian March 17, 2010 10:11 AM PDT
by ade333 March 16, 2010 10:23 AM PDT
Or maybe improve them?

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I guess it does depend on your perspective, but as the old saying goes "those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it".
by JavaMan09 March 16, 2010 10:02 AM PDT
Well, its about time Microsoft.
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by tipoo_ March 16, 2010 10:19 AM PDT
For once, IE is bringing something new to the table. I hope all modern web browsers implement GPU acceleration soon.
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by Shankland March 17, 2010 2:34 AM PDT
Firefox programmers are working on GPU acceleration for Windows, too--you can download preview version of the software if you're adventurous. I heard a rumbling that Google is too with Chrome, but haven't tracked that down. Opera's new Vega graphics infrastructure will accommodate Direct2D, the company told me.
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by NeoTheOne34 March 16, 2010 10:22 AM PDT
Label your Y-Axis!
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by Shankland March 17, 2010 2:35 AM PDT
Milliseconds. Shorter is better.
by gmiernicki March 16, 2010 10:26 AM PDT
Awesome news! Full HTML5 Support! Thank you Microsoft! THANK YOU! Now, you MUST stop putting out patches for IE6! Let it die peacefully!
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by Knightro2 March 16, 2010 10:29 AM PDT
Argghh...I just got finished upgrading everyone to IE7 in my company (8000+ workstations/laptops) late last year. Now we are working on Windows 7 for laptops which will get them to IE8. So next year here comes another upgrade project on my plate for IE9.

I guess I should look at it as job security.
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by mrmuppet March 16, 2010 10:39 AM PDT
Just out of interest, could you not use one of the alternative browsers instead? They're already standards compliant so there'd be less change required with each update.

I'm sure there are numerous technical reasons, but would be interested to hear.
by gsmiller88 March 16, 2010 10:43 AM PDT
I wish the IT guy at my company worked as hard as you. We still have some PC's that have IE6! I've brought the issue up with him but nothing has been done.
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by sanenazok March 16, 2010 11:02 AM PDT
Oh no job security! How I hate thee!
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by Knightro2 March 16, 2010 11:34 AM PDT
@gsmiller88: I can't take all the credit...I have a team as well.

@mrmuppet: It's like pulling teeth to get my company to explore updated version of products so just getting IE going is a process in itself. We have played around with Firefox but as far as keeping it up to date with patches...it causes a few more headaches then just running the IE patches through our patching system for the rest of Windows. We have a few users out there (mainly in the IT department) that use it myself as I prefer it but I have a little more leadway when it comes to installing it. As I am "testing" it. :)
by smilin:) March 16, 2010 12:55 PM PDT
If it takes you a year to rollout an already obsolete and insecure application to just 8k desktops then no...you should not think you have job security.

That little punk at geek squad is going to get his MCSE and pwn you soon.
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by Seaspray0 March 16, 2010 3:54 PM PDT
@knightro2. What are you talking about? It doesn't have to take any of your time. You approve the new catagory once on the WSUS server and windows update does the rest. Your "project" should take no more than 5 minutes total.
by Random_Walk March 16, 2010 4:03 PM PDT
"If it takes you a year to rollout an already obsolete and insecure application to just 8k desktops then no...you should not think you have job security. "

ROTFL! Are you kidding? It's not the actual roll-out that's going to eat all that time.

Your geek-squad MCSE, in his naivete, will make that request, then get to put up with the following:

* getting justification/permission for upgrade ("You moron! We spent $n millions on these custom web apps, and our vendor said they won't support IE7/8/9! We haven't even hit the 50% amortization mark yet!")
* testing for compatibility, keeping in mind that the majority of your users each use their own little apps in different ways.
* the grand political minefield of being held up because some powerful employee (a VP's secretary/exec. assistant) can't get her little homebuilt ASP-based lash-up app to work in IE 7/8/9
* opposition from your own department because, quite frankly, few people in your corp's developer pool knows/wants/needs the latest .NET code/tools/skills, and can't be arsed to learn on short notice (they'll only do it to polish their resume with).

- we could go on, but I suspect that our erstwhile geek squad buddy and his shiny new MCSE will have been thoroughly beaten down and/or shown the door by this point :)
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by gsmiller88 March 16, 2010 10:41 AM PDT
In response to the Poll:

I use Mac OS X, so even if I wanted to (which I don't) I couldn't use IE anyway.
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by sanenazok March 16, 2010 11:04 AM PDT
The Poll asked the "Many have switched from IE over the years." Unless you were using IE on a Mac back in 2004 then this doesn't really apply to you. Oh never mind, just another pointless "I heart my mac" post.
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by shycelticwitch March 16, 2010 1:22 PM PDT
gsmiller, try Chrome. It whips the pants off IE and I have had no issues with it since I started using it. I have it on all 22 Macs in my network. It is far better than Safari, and safer (when the time comes that we need that safety). It also works quite nice on Windows. As a matter of fact, it's the only thing that HAS worked properly without issues since I upgraded to W7 on the 2 PCs I have.
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by dhavleak March 16, 2010 2:03 PM PDT
@ shycelticwitch

tsk, tsk.. always there with the lies and the fud.

"As a matter of fact, it's the only thing that HAS worked properly without issues since I upgraded to W7 on the 2 PCs I have."
>> That, is a lie.
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by lennie22 March 16, 2010 2:15 PM PDT
@ shycelticwitch
IE9 is shaping up to be a really good browser, using the dev preview now and renders really nice. haven't met any problems or bugs yet. but I'm seriously trying to break it.
in IE9 does better HTML5 videa better than chrome among other things.
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by Seaspray0 March 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT
shycelticwitch will always have problems with any computer running windows, even if they don't have any.
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by jmhx7 March 16, 2010 6:58 PM PDT
I feel sorry for mac users - overpaying for less and not being able to do much with the customizing of it. I had a choice between a 2gb ram 120gb hd snow leopoard mac or an 8gb ram 1tb hd with windows 7 and i7 intel processor with the mac being 200 dollars more in price - which one do you think I'm going to choose - let me rephrase that - which one would anybody in their right mind choose - that's right the windows system. And people who use mac are thinking they're doing something special.
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by kirkilj March 16, 2010 10:52 AM PDT
This must be part of the No Browser Left Behind Act.
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by skyscraperjim March 16, 2010 11:46 AM PDT
Could be, but we really need a Cash for Clunkers incentive to get people to get rid of their old versions of IE.
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by relseh March 16, 2010 10:53 AM PDT
>>>Typing this using the IE9 Platform Preview<<< - All this thing needs to be the fastest, CLEANEST, and readily usable browser on the market is to put an actual address bar on it, instead of having to go to Page>>>Open. Its FAST, and VERY stable!
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by relseh March 16, 2010 10:54 AM PDT
Oh, and maybe some nav buttons ;) hehe
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by fudbuster77 March 16, 2010 11:21 AM PDT
I heard many of the same comments about early versions of Chrome and Firefox when they came out with new versions.

I can't tell if you're being honest or sarcastic here.
by slapppy March 16, 2010 10:59 AM PDT
Standards? So IE 9 is just like the other web browsers that follow standards? Cool so Firefox, Safari, Chrome will work with Active-x, Sharepoint, .net, .asp perfectly like IE9 because IE9 follows web standards like the other guys? Awesome.
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by lennie22 March 16, 2010 2:16 PM PDT
IE9 can follow standards, but that doesn't mean they can't have their own extentions and the like in the browser
by slapppy March 16, 2010 3:27 PM PDT
Figures. IE9 still supports non standard technologies to lock in web/internet to Windows.
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by G-Skaf March 16, 2010 3:59 PM PDT
Of course, Microsoft is free to include any number of proprietary extensions to its browser. There are always dumb organisations and companies who lock themselves into the Microsoft Empire.

However, it is a WEB browser first, and as such, development should focus on implementing standards other browsers have been supporting for years.

Competition is really working wonders. A year or two ago, they were deeming SVG support not important enough and pushing people towards Silvernight. Things are quite different today.
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by slapppy March 16, 2010 10:31 PM PDT
"There are always dumb organisations and companies who lock themselves into the Microsoft Empire."

Oh that is so true. Really dumb aren't they?
by fudbuster77 March 16, 2010 11:24 AM PDT
I have never seen this new version, haven't even seen a screen shot. I also use a Mac so I'm not likely to be using the final product as I use Firefox on my Mac and FF on the Windows installations.

*THEREFORE* since I have zero information to base my opinion, I am ideally qualified to give my judgement and say that IE9 is a complete and utter failure, not worth the paper the code is printed on, useless and inferior in every way to FireFox, Chrome, or one of those never heard of before browsers that the EU is forcing end users to choose from.

(It's important to give full disclosure, after all)
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by Nataku4ca March 16, 2010 12:18 PM PDT
so... sarcastic? or honest... i can't tell anymore
by shycelticwitch March 16, 2010 1:23 PM PDT
most likely the former... as it is with 99% of all posts here! LOL
by Seaspray0 March 16, 2010 4:07 PM PDT
@fudbuster. I'm so tired of hype articles, it's good to see someone who actually isn't qualified to comment actually disclose that in their comment. btw, you're not qualified to comment on the windows mobile 7 either. Any comment?
by sparrowhyperion March 16, 2010 11:40 AM PDT
They should include the tagline "Written By Fanboys, for Fanboys..." in this article.
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by kojacked March 16, 2010 11:59 AM PDT
then your comment should be entitled "Written By Haters, for Haters" Or "Brought To You By FoxNews"
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by PostNoComments March 16, 2010 11:59 AM PDT
So the question what made Microsoft adopt standards modern browsers had embraced for years? Was it the loud developers revolt or the freefalling market share? Whatever it is, IE's support for H.264 may be the last nail in Flash and Ogg Theora's coffin. That will be the last possible relevant thing IE will ever do for the Web.
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by Shankland March 16, 2010 1:17 PM PDT
It was pretty clear which way the developers were headed regarding HTML and the Web. Say what you will about Microsoft, they still recognize the power that developers hold. Sometimes.
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by amigosito March 16, 2010 11:59 AM PDT
Waaaay behind the curve. And how about full support for pure JavaScript? We shall see....
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by lennie22 March 16, 2010 1:29 PM PDT
way behind the curve? what people can talk all they want but IE9 actually does HTML 5 video way better than even Chrome. in pre-beta their javascript engine called chakra is really good.
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by JuggerNaut March 16, 2010 4:34 PM PDT
@lennie22

IE has always been behind the curve and I seriously doubt IE9 can do HTML 5 video better than Chrome currently. Of course Safari does HTML 5 video really well (just check out Apple's website) with Safari!

Good to see IE9 finally embracing real web standards (versus the proprietary standards of old).
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by kojacked March 16, 2010 12:04 PM PDT
I think this is great news and choice of direction for Microsoft. Are they going to fulfill everyone's fantasy with IE9? - of course not. This will be a vast improvement of what they have and a big step in the right direction for standards compliance and compatibility.

People just need to chill out here. This is a preview and not the final product.
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by A41202813 March 16, 2010 12:15 PM PDT
The Real War Among Browsers Is The Diversity Of ADDONS Available.

IE Was Never Famous For It, And FF Is Gradually Losing The Edge To CHROME.
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