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October 28, 2009 10:43 AM PDT

Yahoo's Bartz: We 'somehow got boring'

by Tom Krazit
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Yahoo continues to pull out all the stops in hopes of convincing investors and advertisers that even though it's a massive media and technology company today, it has a plan for the future.

"Today is the beginning of a journey back to respect," said Yahoo CEO Carol Bartz in a meeting with financial analysts at Yahoo's headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif. "Yahoo was the big shining star in the mid-1990s and mid-2000s, and then somehow we weren't so shiny anymore."

The all-day meeting, which is being Webcast, is designed to reconnect Yahoo with the financial community, something Bartz hinted earlier this year was long overdue in comments she made in New York. Ever since former Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang turned down a $33 per share offer from Microsoft in 2008, Yahoo's stock has languished at about half that value, and with the economy taking a turn for the worse, even a tepid recovery has been seen as welcome news.

Bartz brought a team of Yahoo leaders up on stage to show off what they've been doing to take better advantage of Yahoo's enormous reach across the Internet. For example, Tapan Bhat, senior vice president for integrated consumer experience, talked about how Yahoo's redesigned home page has increased the amount of time spent on that page by 20 percent, and click-through has likewise improved on both ads and content on that page.

Bryan Lamkin, senior vice president for applications, pledged to improve spam filters and duplicate the Yahoo Mail experience on mobile phones. And Jimmy Pitaro, vice president of media, ran through all of the plans his group has to increase the number of people who come to Yahoo for news and entertainment.

Clearly, Yahoo already operates on a grand scale. "We are a broad-based Internet technology company that serves up the most interesting content on the Internet to 600 million people," Bartz said.

But advertisers "are looking for a safe neighborhood," Bartz said. She meant that in order to get high-quality advertisers to spend lots of money with Yahoo, they have to give them high-quality content that they can feel confident about putting their message beside. Perhaps Bartz could throw that lesson in for free as part of the search deal with Microsoft.

Throughout the revival story Yahoo has tried so hard to push this year, there's a sense that the company is a little defensive about being seen as a place where innovation no longer happens. Bartz admitted that "we had kind of lost your respect" over the past few years. "We are a 14-year-old Internet company that somehow got boring."

Analyst days are not exactly the most exciting events produced by public companies. But it's all part of Yahoo's attempt to re-insert itself in the conversation about the future of the Internet, and investors will need to be on board for the company to make any real progress: not to mention that employee retention could get easier if the stock starts to climb.

Corrected 3:35 p.m. PDT with the correct spelling of Bryan Lamkin's name.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by cvaldes1831 October 28, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
Yahoo! basically became a utility. Yahoo! Mail stopped innovating and worse followed the industry practice of the time of throttling down mailbox capacity, message size, etc. until Google Mail changed the game. That's the problem: Yahoo stopped changing the game. I switched from Yahoo! Mail to Gmail when the latter started offering IMAP and to this day you still can't get IMAP on Yahoo! Mail.

Yahoo! let Maps fester until Google Maps stole the spotlight. They let Photos fester as well until upstart Flickr became the hot new site and they eventually acquired Flickr and canned their own tech. They should have added blogging to GeoCities -- too late for that.

They still have some great content sites. I use Sports, Finance, and TV on a daily basis as well as News and Movies on a semi-regular basis.

Don't stop innovating, Yahoo. You're in Silicon Valley, that's what you're supposed to be doing. Everyone else around you is and if you don't you'll fall behind. Don't ever forget that.
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by SnidleyWhiplash October 28, 2009 1:34 PM PDT
well said. thrown in a peanut butter reference and maybe somebody will listen. ;-)
by thomashawk October 28, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
Today is the beginning of a journey back to respect? The stock market obviously doesn't think so. YHOO's stock is down 2.5% this morning. If Yahoo wants my respect they can start by not destroying my data -- especially without warning. More hot air BS from Carol Bartz.
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by TinyIoda October 28, 2009 12:17 PM PDT
ummm... if you havent noticed damn near every stock on the DOW/TSX/NASDAQ is down today... im pretty sure it has NOTHING to do with Yahoo!
by thomashawk October 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
Tinyloda, YHOO's down more than most. GOOG down less, MSFT down less, AAPL down less, Dow/S&P 500/Nasdaq, etc. down less. YHOO's among today's worst performers, even with the market being down. But the point is that if YHOO wants respect then they shouldn't screw over their users. YHOO destroys user data without warning maliciously and carelessly while their employees tweet "I hate your freedom." They don't respect their users. If they don't respect their users than how can they expect respect back? Carol needs to fix her in house problems at places like Flickr first.
by thomashawk October 28, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
Oh, and their stock is down 3.5% now. Obviously Wall Street Analysts also aren't buying Carol's pitch about respect.
by jusben1369 October 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
Ahhh, I know this is a little obvious, but good companies don't focus on their day to day let alone hourly stock price. So not sure why you would. The analysts are going to click the buy button during hour two.....
by thomashawk October 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
jusben1369, actually I'm more concerned with Yahoo's longer term lack of consideration and respect for their customers. The point about today's remarks are just that I think that Bartz feigning "respect" is just hot air that obviously was not taken seriously by any analysts in the room. Yahoo should think about getting their house in order in terms of how they treat their users if they want respect and patronage back. As someone (and not alone) whose previous patronage of the site represents probably the top 1/1000th of one percent in terms of page views, I'm disappointed that they seem to care less about mine and other's business, despite the fact that they make claims that the new Yahoo is all about you and Yahoo's new management is under "your" control. I'm saying that respect is a two way street and if Yahoo wants respect then they should give respect. Nuking user data willy nilly is actually the opposite of respect. Tweeting "I hate your freedom" after nuking your data is even more disrespectful. This is the ship that Yahoo runs today. And this is why users are leaving and no longer take them seriously.
by thomashawk October 28, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
Stock ended down today over 4%. Much more than the overall market declines today. I don't think the analysts put much short term faith in Bartz's big analyst day today. Respect is a two way street. If Yahoo wants respect, they need to give respect. And that starts with treating their users better than they have been. Personally Bartz's message today was as hollow to me as their current $100 million marketing campaign that Yahoo is under new management, Yours.
by nonicks October 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
Finally...
Someone at yahoo is getting it right..

you got it right Bratz. That's exactly what it is. Yahoo got boring in between somewhere.
I think biggest mistake was when Yahoo first time started using Google like few years ago. That kinda pushed Google on forefront.

Better late then Never.

Hoping that once beloved Yahoo will be a resurgent again.
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by darkebinary October 28, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
Cut Carol a little slack. At least she's trying to turn them around, unlike Jerry Yang who wanted to sell them off and jump ship.
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by Renegade Knight October 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
Everone was annoyed at Jerry Yang for believing in Yahoo and not selling them out. Now Carol's doing the job Jerry made possilble. You're backards on your thinking.
by bvdon October 28, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
My Yahoo mail account is for spam and signups. I also hit their home page for news bits. The finance section is great too.

Other than that, I don't use all they offer, but I do make it a regular place to visit daily.

When I search, I use Google. I rarely search anywhere else. Social networking? Facebook... tech news: cNet. TechCrunch, Mashable, etc. Primary news aggregator: DrudgeReport. These are all things that Yahoo could be doing better.

Things that annoy me at Yahoo: top news stories headlines are misleading. Videos start with commercials and often fail to deliver the content (I use a Mac).
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by Been_there_Saw_it_before October 28, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
OK, the new Yahoo? I went and took a look at it and was disappointed. It still looks like it did when I got tired of all the clutter on it. Now it is even worse. If my mouse pointer sits in the wrong spot (no click), I get a popup. Move the mouse and another popup. And that is with my browser set to block popups. I am perfectly happy to have Google as my starting point.
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by longdsu October 28, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
New homepage page suck big time..................how may people think yahoo will be another AOL?
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by igl00lgi October 28, 2009 10:25 PM PDT
It already is.
by SnidleyWhiplash October 28, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
Midlevel managers too afraid to take risks, other midlevel managers too enamored of buzz to recognize creativity, executives too clueless to let their people take risks and be innovative... chronic problems all over the valley.
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by cvaldes1831 October 28, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
Yup, that's why people bail from the corporate giants and form startups.

The brain drain from Yahoo! must be incredible. The problem is compounded by the fact that the best and the brightest are the *first* to leave since they have the foresight to see that things are going down the tubes, they have the best opportunities to take their talents elsewhere, and they are the gutsiest ones (who joined the company that they are abandoning at an early stage).

The question is whether or not Yahoo! can continue to attract, nurture and retain the most innovative contributors because buying up little startups won't prevent those people from leaving.
by t8 October 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT
I think that Yahoo's problem was just fear itself. They feared Microsoft and didn't want to fire any missiles across their deck. I remember a comment from a Yahoo exec (might have been Wang) who said "never ever compete with Microsoft". Admittedly he said this after Netscape was annihilated by Microsoft.

Google on the other hand were bold and they knew the true value of the Web and did anything to make the Web better, even if it meant competing with big companies to do it. Google took a lot of the dreams and vision that Netscape were touting in the 90s and executed it with near perfection. Remember the quote "The browser is the operating system". That was a Netscape vision 15 or so years ago.

The future belongs to the bold and those who are willing to take risks. Otherwise perfect safety is boring and you only ever achieve average results. Yahoo took the safe road and as a result they became a little boring.
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by cube3 October 28, 2009 2:30 PM PDT
you got tech company im my media,,, no you got media in my tech company...

two tastes that still confuse the valley.
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by codynews October 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
I haven't used any part of yahoo since the early days of the internet.

Actually, I take that back. For about a year I was heavily involved in answers.yahoo.com I raised my "rank" (or whatever) to "top contriubitor" in the real estate section. Then I went to log in (as I did many times a day) and it said my account was suspended. I don't know if I gave an answer that some admin didn't like or what. All I know is I e-mailed a few times to try to get it reinstated and got nothing back.

So I left.

I have to assume similar things happened to similar people on similar services of theirs. Once people that contribute (and MAKE THE CONTENT you need) start to leave, it's hard to get them back.

However that type of stuff is totally missed by the big guys on top. The have rot from the bottom and are too high to see it.
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by Jamie_Foster October 28, 2009 7:43 PM PDT
Yahoo was castrated after using $5.7bn of stock to buy Broadcast.com and $3.6 to buy GeoCities back in 1999. After that Filo, Yang and the board became risk-averse. Terry Semel was basically a Hollywood schmoozer and wanted to turn Yahoo into the online equivalent of a TV network with channels to cover all the popular interests. They only half heartedly invested in Search after acquring Inktomi and Overture. They were leading Google on search volumes right up until the summer of 2005 even though Yahoo Search was just a rebranded Google Search for several years.
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by igl00lgi October 28, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
Why is anyone even writing about this company anymore? It's as good as gone. Has been for years. Let the thing die. I have a hunch Mr. Ballmer is very happy they were thwarted from outright buying this company. So how is that binghoo doing?
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by Lsavagejt October 29, 2009 1:20 AM PDT
OK, just a small fish in a big ocean, but here's my gripe about Yahoo: The flood of spambots advertising sex webcam sites on Yahoo chess, and there's no way to make them go away or to even to contact anyone at Yahoo to complain about them.

And why are there still two Yahoo chess venues- the "new" Yahoo chess, which by the way has been around for at least the past eight years, and the old chess, which by the way is better?
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by Rod Roddy October 29, 2009 9:42 AM PDT
Boring huh?...ya think?
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by writteininwaters October 29, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
"We are a 14-year-old Internet company that somehow got boring." Somehow? It's things like all-day meetings "designed to reconnect Yahoo with the financial community" that makes yahoo boring. Instead they should be figuring out ways to reconnect with the people who are on the internet all day. I don't know anyone under 45 who uses yahoo's homepage on a regular basis, myself included (though I do check yahoo finance on a daily basis, which I'll admit is a pretty boring thing about me). I haven't visited yahoo.com in years and I have no interest in it. They need to bring back their game with interesting content and services that others aren't already doing better.
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by bpob1977 October 29, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
They're about to loose a large number of current users if they proceed with their plans to force us to use the new homepage...I've yet to find anyone who actually likes it. Much like their "new and improved" mail service, it's absolutely awful!
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