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Amazon CEO apologizes for Kindle book deletions

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Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos issued an apology Thursday to customers over last week's surprise deletion of a number of books that Kindle owners had purchased and downloaded to their devices:

    This is an apology for the way we previously handled illegally sold copies of 1984 and other novels on Kindle. Our "solution" to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and we deserve the criticism we've received. We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission.

    With deep apology to our customers,
    Jeff Bezos
    Founder & CEO
    Amazon.com

Bezos issued the apology on Amazon's Kindle Community forum, where users are able to respond with their own replies--many of which simply thank Bezos for broaching the subject.

Last week the company made waves after deleting several books from Kindle devices without the permission of their owners. The move was attributed to Amazon's self-service uploader, where a third party had added e-books to be sold on Amazon's store despite not having have the rights to sell them.

As part of the deletion process Amazon credited those who had purchased the book with refunds. Regardless, many users became upset at the idea that anything else they had purchased could be taken back without their permission.

Josh Lowensohn writes for Webware.com, CNET's blog about Web applications and services. E-mail Josh, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/Josh.
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by Thad Boyd July 23, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
Apologies are cheap. What Amazon did was illegal.

DRM advocates have recently insisted that it's okay to charge 80,000 times the value of a file as punishment for violating ownership rights. Let's see if they apply the same standards to sellers as they do to consumers.
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by svgtom July 23, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
Except that Amazon didn't intentionally violate the ownership rights, and when they discovered that the file in question was in violation, they removed it.
by Thad Boyd July 23, 2009 4:45 PM PDT
And in what way is deleting files off somebody else's system without permission and in violation of the license agreement not a violation of ownership rights?
by chipotlecoyote July 23, 2009 4:52 PM PDT
Thad: the "publisher" of the copies of _1984_ that were being sold didn't have the rights to sell the book, which meant that the e-books themselves were illegal. Amazon handled this badly, but it's not quite the open-and-shut "this proves how terrible DRM is" case that Amazon's critics are making it out to be. In many ways DRM really isn't relevant to what happened here. (An illegally distributed DRM-free copy of a novel is still illegal, and whatever concerns are raised by the revelation that Amazon has the ability to delete content off your Kindle is only DRM-related in the very loosest sense -- we don't have any way of knowing if that ability is limited to rights-restricted files purchased from the Kindle Store.) Instead, I think this is a deeper "technology management" issue that doesn't have any easy answers: what does Amazon do to prevent this from happening again? From their standpoint, the problem isn't just a public relations fiasco -- it's that their system makes it fairly trivial to make them unknowing accomplices to copyright violations.

The PR fiasco part could have been avoided in large part by emailing all the users with the bogus copies of the book and giving them an explicit choice of either a refund or a no-cost replacement with a legitimate copy of the book for the Kindle, and I'm somewhat surprised nobody at Amazon thought of that.
by JoeF2 July 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
@svgtom :
Stopping to sell the book was not the issue.
The issue was the deletion from the Kindle. That kind of killswitch is NOT acceptable.
It is like somebody coming into your house and burning books that, for one reason or another, are deemed "inappropriate."
It smacks of "Fahrenheit 451".
Bezos' apology is a good first step. Now they need to provide a software update that permanently removes the killswitch ability from the Kindle.
by Splashes July 23, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
You two seem to be talking about two different issues -- svgtom is talking about Amazon posting a file for download when they didn't have rights to do so, and Thad is talking about the removal of that file from users' Kindles.
by aslamnathoo July 24, 2009 1:53 AM PDT
@dano10000
Respectfully, I must point out a couple of points legal:

1. Amazon didn't steal the books. The Kindle owners had purchased illegal goods. Indeed each Kindle owner who had purchased the books was in fact guilty of copyright infringement. The fact that they did not know that they were infringing on the copyright does not change the fact that they infringed and are therefore liable to the true copyright holder (Mr. Orwell in this case). By law, each Kindle owner would therefore be required to return their contraband goods. In addition, Amazon is liable to the copyright holder for enabling the sale of illegal goods even though it wasn't a wilful act that Amazon took. The fact that neither the buyer nor the seller knew the goods being sold were illegal would likely only have the affect of ennobling the judge to be lenient in his sentencing because the infringement wasn't wilful. However that would be up to the judge.

2. With regards to your call for a class-action lawsuit against Amazon... when a store sells you illegal goods, they are only liable to the buyer up to the extent of the money that the buyer paid for the illegal goods and nothing more.

Even if Kindle owners decided they did want to bring forward an action, they would have to bring up the action as a civil case because copyright infringement is only criminal if one can prove wilful intent which the evidence is in support of here. Plus a criminal case can only be brought forward by the state, not by citizens. Therefore we would be dealing with a civil case which means we must find damages to sue for. Damages in a civil case are tied to the provable losses of the plaintiff plus the costs of the legal action. Civil courts do not act to punish, simply to restore the rightful situation. In theory damages can be increased to take account of flagrancy of abuse but generally the courts will award pretty much the fee that should have been paid for legitimate use. In this case, the plaintiffs (Kindle owners) can't sue for legitimate use, because they would be asking for use of something that is illegal and you can't ask the court to restore a situation that was illegal to begin with.

Therefore any class action lawsuit raised by the kindle owners would never make it to court because there would be nothing for them to file for.


The interesting legal question that is posed in this case is, should Amazon have left the Kindle buyers "hanging in the wind" and liable for a copyright infringement lawsuit from Mr. Orwell and his publishers or did they do the right thing by seizing the material (thereby saving their clients from a lawsuit). They used the technology at their disposal to uphold US copyright law which has previously only been done by the US court system. In the past, the seller had no ability to seize property. A court order for seizure would be put fourth and then the government/police would seize goods. In this case, that would have been complex because the goods are not tangible, nonetheless, it would have been up to the police to find some way to seize the material. However, the technology has enabled Amazon to adhere to the spirit of the law before any such infringement lawsuit can be brought forward by Mr. Orwell. Therefore, which is more important, the letter of the law or the spirit of it. This could make a very interesting LLD thesis.


Regardless, there is no legal basis for a class action lawsuit on behalf of the buyers who bought illegal goods towards Amazon or anybody.
by Rhino_Blockhead July 24, 2009 3:51 AM PDT
JoeF2 your comment reminds me of the movie Equilibrium...I thought it was based in a near distant future...not now....2009....LOL
by Spats30 July 24, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
@aslamnathoo -- Great reply with some legal philosophy. I would also think in that sense, the buyers of the ebook have no claim to damages for a class action suit because Amazon made them "whole" by providing them refunds. So under the theory that civil law is to make things equal between parties, Amazon did just that.

Still it doesn't take all the bad taste out of a Kindle owners' mouth, if they had the book removed.

I think Amazon may have simply posted the facts about the illegal copies out there and warned that for legal reasons it may need to be removed in the future, after further consulting.
by Been_there_Saw_it_before July 27, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
No one has addressed the topic of unauthorized access. If I or someone else hacks into a computer system, the FBI charges you with a crime. If Amazon accesses my computer, it is only a, "Oops, sorry about the mistake."

I think we need an application of simple consumer law here.
I buy a product.
The product is defective.
I get a replacement product at no additional charge.
What is so hard to understand? Let Amazon supply a properly authorized copy at no additional charge to me.
by Shaymojack July 23, 2009 4:46 PM PDT
Nice to see a company out there that understands when it makes a mistake.
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by Random_Walk July 23, 2009 7:00 PM PDT
I can give him props for being open and frank about the whole affair being stupid.

That said, I still wouldn't buy a Kindle... any device with that capability and built-in backdoor is something I sincerely do not want to own, much less buy stuff to load on.
by aslamnathoo July 24, 2009 2:01 AM PDT
Agreed. "Well done" to Mr. Bezos for owning up to acting out of line with their principles.

Amazon had no malice in their intent. It angered people but I think everyone can agree that they didn't intend to anger people. They just did what they thought was right at the time but it turned out badly for them. So they said they are sorry. When we were kids and we hit a baseball through the neighbours window, we apologized, and maybe paid for the window to be repaired out of our allowance and that was a reasonable action. That's exactly what Amazon did. They fixed their mistake, paid back the money and said sorry.

We are only human after all and we often make mistakes. I think if more companies would just own up to their mistakes and apologize, we could be a lot more civil in our dealings and act with dignity. That and it would save our court system from frivolous lawsuits.

Bravo, Mr. Bezos... Bravo!!
by Splashes July 23, 2009 4:54 PM PDT
Regardless of the substance of the issue, it's refreshing to see a straight-forward apology, "we screwed up", no ifs, ands or buts. Most common these days is the non-apology apology: "We're sorry if our actions appeared to be insensitive", etc.

Kudos to Bezos.
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by Inconnux July 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT
serves people right for buying an overpriced black and white text reader filled with DRM.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
:) I read kindle books on my Touch. Color, backlit screen in a pocketable format. I took it with me to the car dealer today for a minor repair. It was great to sit and read what I wanted to read, rather than stare at the boob tube set to a channel of liberal media nonsense. No way would I EVER buy a Kindle, at any price, even $50, because it's monochome, too large, and a one-trick pony (essentially--I know it has other secondary functions, but PLEASE!). My Touch ways roughly 4 ounces--so easy to hold to read. I'm 61 years old and have no problem reading it using the second smallest font available on the Kindle app for Touch/iPhone.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT
What I MEANT to say, was that I knew I'd be waiting 1-2 hours for the repair, and having the Touch with me is a superior way to pass the time in the waiting room. No way would I want to schlep a Kindle around town. I also have a MiFi hotspot, making the Touch incredible awesome--I can access all it's functions--I use it heavily for on line functions.
by docster87 July 23, 2009 5:34 PM PDT
basically, it was wrong for Amazon to sell those books as they were yet wasn't it just as wrong for Amazon to remove those books from personal devices? Two wrongs don't make the situation right... While the apology was pretty good, perhaps a refund plus a little extra would have been better - the customer didn't error - it was 100% Amazon's error and raping books off of personal devices was an over-reach. The least Amazon should have done was a refund plus a free ebook or something for the trouble.

No Kindle for me after knowing that my personal bought collection could easily be erased by Amazon at any point and at any place.
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by aslamnathoo July 24, 2009 2:03 AM PDT
FYI, they did refund the money at the same time as they removed the books.
by Rhino_Blockhead July 24, 2009 3:50 AM PDT
docster87 your confusing Amazon with Apple. The kindle only looks white to flatter Apple but it's not apple. :( maybe when they release a Touch Tablet. ;) that way the info. can be stored somewhere else.
by July 23, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
Just the fact that they built the capability for them to delete what they want from a Kindle is enough to prevent me from ever---EVER buying one. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. And I buy a lot of books.

Just think--we could have "instant censorship." Scary.
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by JoeF2 July 23, 2009 5:57 PM PDT
That's why they need to provide a software update to permanently remove that remote killswitch capability.
There are competing eBooks out there that don't have such a killswitch.
by gsekse July 24, 2009 2:53 AM PDT
This is the point I'm concerned with. What if the government issues a ban on a book and uses legal action to force Amazon to delete a book? It is a historical fact that governments have gone door to door and taken books. This modern version of book burning is not so unlikely as some would believe. It's not about Amazon being a "bad". It's about a proven method of censorship (ie: deletion) that some "McCarthy-like" official could take control of and use. The best governments come from a citizenship that doesn't trust it. Unfortunately, Americans are becoming way too trusting of our government. In another hundred years, electronic books will probably be the main type of book publishing. This is a growing threat to the freedom of press and speech.
by magicmaster July 23, 2009 6:14 PM PDT
That's cheap apology, since it offers no tangible solution to this issue.

You can aplogize for a million times, but until such feature has been disabled,
no apology will be accepted, and I will gladly spit on your face.
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by svgtom July 23, 2009 6:35 PM PDT
They said they won't do it again. That's the solution. Given the bad PR this caused I find it unlikely they would do it again. It's also very rude to spit.
by magicmaster July 23, 2009 7:13 PM PDT
@svgtom

Given the Amazon has taken NO step to disable the ability to delete kindle owner's e-books without permission, what's the use of promises? What happened if they did it again? Another apology?
by eadeguzman July 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
It's a public apology, magicmaster.

If this thing happens again, that would be the mother of all bad PRs. At that point, Bezos and Amazon can never, never be trusted again. Without consumer trust, you can say bye-bye to your business.

I think they understand that and I believe that he will stand by his words.
by abogey July 25, 2009 9:30 PM PDT
I don't think Amazon is a bad company, and I congratulate Bezos for making his appology.

However, I think the Kindle franchize has been permantly damaged.

The only possible way that Amazon could correct that is to issue an update to the software for the device that removed not only the delete function but any function that could view the contents of the device as well.
by 1812dave July 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
Saying the won't do it again is NOT a solution. It's a promise that may or may not be kept. More to the point, they didn't offer anything that I know of in the way of a gift card or some other compensation to those affected. If I'm wrong on that, someone please correct me.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
Saying the won't do it again is NOT a solution. It's a promise that may or may not be kept. More to the point, they didn't offer anything that I know of in the way of a gift card or some other compensation to those affected. If I'm wrong on that, someone please correct me.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
My post went off to neverland...

TO svgtom:

The solution is not to claim they won't do it AGAIN. They need to step up and offer gift cards or other compensation to those affected by the deletions.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
My post went off to neverland...

TO svgtom:

The solution is not to claim they won't do it AGAIN. They need to step up and offer gift cards or other compensation to those affected by the deletions.
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by 1812dave July 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT
sorry for the dupes--the page that holds the comments didn't show my comments until I clicked on the story title. refreshing didn't show the posts. weird, because it usually works.
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by Rhino_Blockhead July 24, 2009 2:26 AM PDT
1812dave We don't want your appology...we need a kill switch so that you don't dupe us again! LOL J/K
by gertruded July 23, 2009 6:56 PM PDT
Sincere apologies should be accepted for what they are, apologies. Thank you Mr. Bezos.

I will not buy a Kindle with all the DRM. That is a separate thing. The software needs major restructuring.
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by regulator1956 July 24, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
iPhone & iTouch have a kill switch - Do you have one ??
by 1812dave July 23, 2009 7:05 PM PDT
and the hardware is no great shakes either. Monochrome, overly large case, given the screen sizes, of both models. No backlight (yeah, yeah I know ALL ABOUT e-ink, and it's "ok" if you have bright light). I want to read in dim and no lighting! I do that nearly every single day, on my Touch. Putting an accessory lamp on a Kindle is a kludge.
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by Rhino_Blockhead July 24, 2009 3:48 AM PDT
1812dave What they should do for the kindle is build into it electro-luminescent backlight technology.
An electroluminescent nightlight in operation (uses 0.08W at 230V, and dates from 1960; lit diameter 59 mm) But then again...you might (like me) be sensitive to the sound it emits. This is due to the built in inverters. (They have a small transformer inside) But hey! it's 2009...that issue should be resolved by now. LOL

Or you can keep using your Touch...but what's the battery life on it again?
Music Playback: 24 Hours
Wi-Fi: 3 hours
(that's with 4MB of data downloaded, brightness set to 25% with auto-brightness turned to off)

I hope you bought the Incase Power Slider battery Case (but that's like $80! Ouch! )
I ended up buying at Fry's Duracell's USB Battery Power Charger for like $20! (which is okay..but I like it's versatility)

The Kindle lasts for max 3 weeks if not longer...that's with the radio off...a couple of days with it on...but it still beats the Touch with a K.O. punch. since you are able to go online with it as well. :)

Maybe a bit less say if they did build it with built in electro-luminescent backlight technology. But sadly...not as less as it would with the Touch. ;(
by MadLyb July 23, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
Just another reason digital content is simply not ready, the music guys are wising up, but the movie and book industry are still grinding the old DRM wheel.

If a digital version of content, be it CD, movie, or book doesn't have the exact same rights as the physical version then it fails. And until the content producers accept this, I will continue to purchase the physical version...

...hope you do the same.
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by Rhino_Blockhead July 24, 2009 2:24 AM PDT
MadLyb Disney Japan is now selling micro SD cards with full movie tracks on them. :) Read it on arstechnica By Nate Anderson on July 22, 2009 8:41 PM CT ;) That's gotta be a step toward the right Direction right?
by cayhorstmann July 23, 2009 8:54 PM PDT
I agree with all the bad feelings about DRM, but hey, let's give the guy a break. In the era of mealy-mouthed non-apologies, when is the last time you saw a CEO say "this was stupid, sorry about that..."?
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by JoeF2 July 24, 2009 12:15 AM PDT
Sure, the apology was a good first step. He deserves kudos for that.
But he has to follow up with a software update that makes such remote access to the Kindle impossible.
That way, people are not depending on just his word (after all, he could get fired, or have an accident tomorrow, and would any successor be bound to Mr. Bezos' word?)
So, the only real solution is to make it technically impossible to do any such thing again.
by regulator1956 July 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
JoeF2,

Don't forget ot rail at Steve Job's too since the iPhone and iTouch have kill switches.
by Police_States_of_America July 23, 2009 9:57 PM PDT
all files with DRM will eventually become useless, but this is an extra lol
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by chrisx1 July 23, 2009 10:30 PM PDT
The apology is fine as long as they really don't do it again.
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by silverheart July 24, 2009 3:00 AM PDT
Although I am not a Kindle customer I wanted to express my gratitude to Amazon for honesty and integrity with your public apology to the Kindle customers. I cannot say that I have ever seen a company publicly take full responsibility for something and express their remorse in such a manor. To even go to the extent of saying "Our "solution" to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles."
Thank you Amazon for reminding us what American Customer Service is supposed to be about.
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