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August 18, 2009 5:51 PM PDT

Facebook privacy lawsuit 'a jumbled mess'

by Larry Magid
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While I can't comment on the entire suit, it's clear to me that parts of the just-filed privacy lawsuit against Facebook represent a lack of understanding of how social networks like Facebook work as well as how best to protect children and adults on the Internet. I'm especially baffled by the allegation that Facebook violated the rights of an 11-year-old child because he disclosed that he had swine flu.

The suit, brought by five plaintiffs in Southern California, alleges that Facebook violates California privacy laws.

The child who said he had swine flu is identified as "Xavier O." The complaint says he "has a Facebook account that was opened without the knowledge or consent of his parents." He allegedly "uploaded personal information, videos and photographs, including swimming and/or partially clothed photographs of children ages 5 to 11." It further says that he posted information that he had swine flu and asked people to "Please pray for me...God Bless." The complaint says that "upon learning of the Facebook account and the posting of an uncertain medical condition," the child's parents "removed the medical condition postings from Facebook" and that "Xavier O. and his parents have been unable to learn where the minor's medical information may have been stored, disseminated or sold by Facebook."

(Disclosure: I'm co-director of ConnectSafely.org, a nonprofit organization that receives financial support from Facebook as well as other companies.)

I don't know where to begin parsing young Xavier's case. First, by simply having a Facebook account he was violating Facebook's terms of service. And why did his parents only remove "the minor's medical information?" They should have deleted his entire account.

Like all reputable social networking sites, Facebook complies with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) by not allowing children under 13 to have accounts (COPPA does make provisions for accounts for children under 13 but imposes certain conditions including parental consent). The only way for this young man to obtain a Facebook account would be to lie about his date of birth.

Facebook makes reasonable efforts to remove accounts of children where there is evidence they are under 13, but it's not possible to catch every violator of these terms and its attempts to validate the ages of members are consistent with industry practices. While it could be argued that they should be using some type of age-verification technology, an exhaustive investigation of those technologies by the Harvard Berkman Center led Internet Safety Technology Task Force (of which I was a member) determined that such technologies, at the current time, are neither effective nor necessarily desirable.

Once on Facebook, anything a person posts can, by default, be seen only by his friends or people in his network. If Xavier's profile was available to additional people, it was because he changed his default privacy settings. But, even if he hadn't, there is always the possibility that a friend or anyone with access to his profile could copy any text or images posted and disseminate them. So of course it's possible that such information could have been stored, or disseminated. In an e-mail interview, Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt said, "There are no circumstances under which we would have sold that information." He further points out that the plaintiffs in the suit "make many assertions about mining data and selling it, but never say who is buying."

What I find very strange is the statement that the 11-year-old had posted "swimming and/or partially clothed photographs of children ages 5 to 11." Could they be implying he was posting child pornography images? If so (and I doubt it), this kid could find himself in juvenile court.

Another strange allegation comes from a college student who joined Facebook in 2005 back when it was for college students only. Somehow she is shocked that Facebook is now open to anyone--a change that Facebook made with great fanfare in 2006. If she's so unhappy about the change, why doesn't she just close her account?

Santa Clara University Law Professor Eric Goldman told me that he considers the complaint to be "a jumbled mess." "There is a style of complaint that lists every single possible gripe you have with a company," he said. "This one listed all sorts of random gripes about Facebook including insignificant items like their acquisition of FriendFeed." He added, "lawyers sometimes do that, hoping that if you throw those against the wall, the judge will find something that sticks."

This post is adopted from a post that first appeared on my site, SafeKids.com.

Larry Magid is a technology journalist and an Internet safety advocate. He's been writing and speaking about Internet safety since he wrote Internet safety guide "Child Safety on the Information Highway" in 1994. He is co-director of ConnectSafely.org, founder of SafeKids.com and SafeTeens.com, and a board member of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. Larry's technology analysis and commentary can be heard on CBS News and CBS affiliates, and read on CBSNews.com. He also writes a personal-tech column for the San Jose Mercury News. You can e-mail Larry or follow him on Twitter @larrymagid.
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by gggg sssss August 18, 2009 7:09 PM PDT
Are these the same peopel who sued Michael Jackoson because they let teir kid unsupervised in MJ's house? Same lawyers?

Lets charge the parents with child endangerment.
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by tech_news_80 August 18, 2009 8:45 PM PDT
Hmmmm before making any wild accusations and suggestions, I suggest you learn how to spell "wrods prooperliy".
by gggg sssss August 19, 2009 5:25 PM PDT
@tech_news_80 Thankyou for pointing out my weakness. I was not aware of that. I feel so much better now, as you no doubt do as well.
by larrymagid August 18, 2009 7:37 PM PDT
Well, I can't comment on the Michael Jackson case nor go so far as to suggest endangerment charges, I do appreciate your point. Sometimes parents look to the law to protect their kids when they ought to be thinking about their own parenting. Thanks for your comment.
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by jaguar717 August 18, 2009 9:12 PM PDT
You guys are missing the bigger picture. After a generation of whining and sniveling and suing and legislating and demagogue-ing and castrating, every idiot looking for a cash cow is having a field day.

And why wouldn't they? The victicrats have them convinced they're "entitled".
by krisr2005 August 18, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
Larry,

I think this particular article puts into perspective how much the concern for privacy lays in the hands of those that tend to complain about it. I am not a fan of Facebook, but I cannot fault them when a user is foolish enough to disclose where they live, and later post status messages insinuating they are away from their home, later to discover they've been robbed. The possibilities of crime aided by social networking sites are unlimited, but users should understand that a majority of control is in their hands. What's not in our control is the issue for the justice system.
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by K_rod August 19, 2009 12:01 AM PDT
Its ashame when things like this are even considered by our judicial system in our country. There should be a pre-screening process for this kind of suit.Kill it before it even gets to this point.
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by jture August 19, 2009 4:39 AM PDT
"If she's so unhappy about the change, why doesn't she just close her account?"

Have you ever tried closing a Facebook account? It's like AOL back in the day - so aggravating it's easier to just put up with it.
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by ThePicotrain August 19, 2009 5:22 AM PDT
One qualm that I have with these types of lawsuits is that people often continue to use the product or service while they have a class-action lawsuit in the courts. If you feel that Facebook is compromising the safety of you or your loved ones, the reasonable thing to do would be to delete the account. That is the best chance one has of protecting their own safety. As a juror or judge, I would be skeptical about someone who claims that Facebook has violated his/her privacy, yet continues to use the service on a daily basis. That indicates to me that the person's privacy is not as important as the enjoyment they recieve by using the service.
That said, I still do have some issue with the service, which I use myself. First, it seems odd that Facebook recommends friends to me that have no mutual friends with me and do not even live in the same country. I do know these people, and the only reasonable way Facebook would know this is because we have exchanged e-mails. While initially I did let Facebook look through my e-mail address book, I did not expect Facebook to continue to look through it ad infinitum. Secondly, the Facebook ads I see are VERY specific. Facebook is obviously carefully monitoring my Google usage, amongst other things. Neither of these things would lead me to a class-action lawsuit. In fact, I could have predicted they would happen when I signed up for a Facebook account. If people expect images and information they put on the Internet to only be seen and used by their family and friends, they are sadly mistaken. The best way to protect one's privacy online is to keep one's personal information offline.
by airmikee August 19, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
Click settings.
Click deactivate account.

Oh yeah, real difficult. Why can't they just read our minds when we want the account closed? Why do they make us click on two buttons? It's ridiculous!
by jabelar August 19, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
deactivating an account is not the same as deleting it. Deleting it means that the information that was there is wiped from Facebooks' servers. That is very difficult to get done.

The other problem with Facebook is that you can open up your privacy unwittingly by accepting all those stupid applications and such -- just "share a beer" kind of applications allow the provide of the application all sorts of account information that they shouldn't need.

A similar issue is with the Wall where a lot of people don't understand that often all their friends can see all their other friends comments on their walls. And to change the privacy settings is not all that clear -- there are lots of settings that are not easy to understand unless you understand the whole framework of the site, which many people do not.

Social networking sites naturally have a conflict of interest regarding privacy -- their success is based on creating a network of people, so it does things like suggesting friends and such, which strictly speaking are not sound privacy practices.
by viper396 August 19, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
@jabelar, "deactivating an account is not the same as deleting it. Deleting it means that the information that was there is wiped from Facebooks' servers. That is very difficult to get done."


Difficult??....that's BS. Facebook's FAQ page clearly shows how to easily delete an account. Login and click "here", verify that you want to delete, click Submit...account is automatically deactivated then deleted in 14 days. Yeah, the hard part might be waiting but the account and all information is inaccessible during that time.

http://www.facebook.com/help/search.php?hq=how+to+delete+my+account+permanently&ref=hq
by richard993 August 19, 2009 6:29 AM PDT
It's a completely valid concern. Generally people post information on Facebook thinking that they have control over the information and it's dissemination. The privacy policy on Facebook is full of contradictions and makes you wonder the legality and it's compliance with privacy laws such as the Privacy Act. Statements such as "utilize third parties for the processing of *any* personal information", and "Facebook may use information in your profile without identifying you as an individual to third parties" when regarding privacy matters makes you wonder who it is shared with and why. Yet when we look at some third parties such as advertisers, your IP address is shared and provided to them which DOES identify you as an individual to some extent and can be linked to personal information through the use of cookes. So Facebook users BEWARE, your data could be sold to third parties... and hopefully when this matter goes to trial, we will finally find out what is sold, how it is sold, to whom and for how much.
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by larrymagid August 19, 2009 8:05 AM PDT
Richard,
I totally understand what you're saying and it is true that Facebook's privacy policies have been confusing and keep changing (they say to make them clearer). Also, the company is changing it privacy settings to make it simpler. They're testing them now and rolling out the changes over time.

Larry Magid
by bloytree August 19, 2009 6:47 AM PDT
Facebook deleted my account --for no reason . They didn't give me any warning or any kind of notice ---just deleted !!! Why I even tried several times asking them for any kind of reason and NO RESPONCE !! It's pretty scary when u want to stay connected to your friends and family --yet at any time they can look at your personal info ----WHO IS ON THAT END ? What kind of people work for facebook ? And who's to say what they are doing with all this info on everybody.How can they access our accounts without our permission?? " Pepping toms " or " big brother" ---they got the power to do it , and we don't even have a clue !
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by viper396 August 19, 2009 2:53 PM PDT
Maybe you should talk with the people here who say it's not possible to delete a facebook account. :)
by gggg sssss August 19, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
lets see - if they are admins on the servers where all this lives THEY CAN SEE AND MANIPULATE EVERYTHING. That is what an admin is / does.
by 1missive August 27, 2009 1:08 PM PDT
I stay connected with friends and family via good old POTS. I don't use facebook nor any other social network site. I would suggest keeping as much info about yourself to yourself.
by Pete Bardo August 19, 2009 11:29 AM PDT
Privacy isn't the big thing in this article! Here's what bothers me, "swimming and/or partially clothed photographs of children ages 5 to 11" is implied to be kiddie porn. That is absolutely insane!
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by leafs_fan_jd August 19, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
Facebook never deletes an account. you can only disable it. Once you upload and say anything on facebook, all rights and privileges to user data are controlled by FB (essentially becoming property of FB)
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by viper396 August 19, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
Wrong.

http://www.facebook.com/help/search.php?hq=how+to+delete+my+account+permanently&ref=hq


God forbid anybody ever tried reading the Help page.
by gggg sssss August 19, 2009 5:32 PM PDT
@viper. How naive. Just because YOU cannot see it anymore does not mean it does not live on some server
by viper396 August 28, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
@gggg sssss, no, Facebook would have no legal or material reason to maintain information for an account that was DEactivated then marked for deletion. Yes, you can split hairs over details such as information stored in backup archives, or sitting in a recycle bin on the server but my point about deleting an account still stands. Either way, the fact is if you are going to be so paranoid about privacy then you shouldn't have put your personal info up there in the first place.
by Cascar47 August 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
Facebook breaches Canadian privacy law: commissioner

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/07/16/facebook-privacy-commissioner.html
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by j-hol August 20, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
So, if you don't want your personal information on Facebook, then don't put it there. People are all up in arms because someone makes it easier for someone else to access your personal info, when in the end you have the ultimate control as to what goes on there. I keep NO accurate personal info on my facebook account, its close to accurate, but not accurate. As well what idiot would put their medical info on facebook? In my opinion they deserve to get their identy, etc. stoled just for being stupid. 11 years old or not, he can turn on a computer and navigate through the internet and through the facebook site, then he is old enough/smart enough to know what to put and what not to put there. Its like cyber Darwinism...
In the end if someone really really wants to share "personal" information with their friends, then call them.
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by 1missive August 27, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
100% correct.
by garrisonaw August 20, 2009 4:34 PM PDT
Plain and simple, parents have no business letting an 11 year old do ANYTHING online without direct supervision. Children are curious, mischievous and deceitful by nature, so they will do whatever they can get away with. And if that means lying about their age, they'll do it. Ever heard of using fake ID's to buy alchohol underage?

When a child that young is allowed to do that much online, the responsibility lies with the parents, not the courts. Parents need to take an honest interest in their children's lives and teach them what is acceptable and what is not. Too many parents for too long have purchased electronic babysitters for their children - first televisions, then video games, and now computers - instead of taking time out of their busy schedule to actually be parents. And then when things go awry, they accuse the system of not protecting their children, instead of taking responsibility for their children's actions.

I agree with K_rod - cases like these should be thrown out before they ever reach this level. The courts should be holding parents responsible instead of the other way around.
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