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Flickr: 10 things we love and hate

by Josh Lowensohn
Over Thanksgiving break I got to field a lot of strange tech questions from friends and family. One of the most frequent was what photo services were worth using and why. Nearly everyone has a digital camera now, and there's no limit to the number of places designed to share your shots online. It's no secret I'm an unabashed Flickr user, and despite writing a newbies' guide on the service, even I'm a little hesitant of using it for honest to goodness photo backup (more on that later). Like any critic, I'm peeved by some aspects of the service--especially some of the perks that even a pro membership can't offer. I've put together of five things I love about the service, and five I loathe.

Love

Clear Creative Commons licensing tools. Savvy uploaders can set Creative Commons licensing restrictions on any of their shots, both individually and in batches. By default, you can also choose what kind of licensing you want any of your shots to have, which makes it easy if you're a professional photographer to limit what people can do with them. In addition to giving you tools to tweak photo licensing, Flickr also provides fairly simple explanations of each license type, along with links to learn more. Also, photos that have been given more restrictive licensing can't be downloaded, making it easier to keep control of your intellectual property.

Easy uploading tools. Flickr's latest effort to make photos easier to upload to the Web is a big step up from their previous iteration. We took a look at the new version in August and came away impressed. Well, it's still worth using one of the software plug-ins to get right-click mousing access for contextual uploading on any photos from your desktop, the new Web uploader is really great for updating a ton of shots all at once while away from your home machine.

The API. Flickr's API has allowed for a ton of third party applications and services for both personal and communal use of photos. From business cards to coffee mugs, a hosted photo is more useful when you can do more with it than a quick glance.

Flickr's map: See where geo-tagged photos were shot.

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Geo-tagging. Seeing where pictures have been shot is a neat feature. Even cooler is being able to look at them on a virtual map. Flickr's geo-tagging has gotten even more useful with an overhaul of the built-in map and the addition of Flickr Places, which shows city-specific pages containing photos that are related to a region, or have been geo-tagged by the Flickr community. While the majority of consumer cameras don't have built-in GPS receivers, Flickr is future-proofing itself for when it's a standard feature.

Huge community. There's power in numbers, and the mass of users using Flickr makes it vibrant. While there's no way to easily see how much traffic your photos are getting as a whole, Flickr lets people comment, tag, and leave notes on your shot, adding an extra layer of interactivity to a static image. While other photo sharing sites may have a higher count of hosted photos, Flickr's "interestingness" algorithm highlights the way users are interacting with some of the good ones. Users can also open their shots to tagging by other Flickr members, letting other people do some of the heavy tag lifting for them.

Hate

No FTP. One of the most useful aspects of these online photo services is that it doubles as an off-site backup for any shots you choose to share, but no such luxury comes for Flickr Pro members. The $25 subscription-based annual membership lets users upload and organize as many photos as they'd like. While this is great, what's missing is a way to manage photos en masse if you decide to go elsewhere. While the closure of Yahoo photos led to the company offering a way to jettison your shots elsewhere, there's no such service on Flickr that does the same thing to your hard drive. Considering how many upload tools there are (both third and first party), it's lame not to offer FTP access.

Pro members can't hotlink to hosted photos. Another quibble for the folks paying for Pro memberships is the inability to paste a hosted shot on an outside blog or Web site without linking back as a huge linked image. I'll give Flickr credit for making it really easy to pick out the size of the shot, but considering you're essentially paying a premium for hosting, you should be able to host a shot without having to give Flickr any link love. Heck, I'd even be happy with bandwidth cap on hotlinked images (similar to how ImageShack handles it), as long as I can do without that giant blue box around my shots.

Flickr's Organizr is powerful, but can be a little daunting for new users.

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Confusing photo management scheme. Nearly everyone is accustomed to organizing photos by album. While Apple's latest move is to steer people towards calling them "events," Flickr instead chooses to call them "sets." Unlike albums, sets aren't automatically created when you upload shots unless you specify that. Instead, Flickr chooses to give each user a photo stream, which is one big hit parade of uploaded photos. To organize photos, users must move them one at a time or in a batch (while uploading) into a new set. To complicate matters, for people who want to put multiple sets together in one place, Flickr rolled out "collections"--which to a beginner might sound more like an album than a set. While there is a powerful and useful tool called Organizr, that will let you sort out this mess, it's a hair too complicated for less tech-savvy people to operate.

Intelligently sharing private content is overly complicated. Photos, both individual and in sets, can be set to private, but anyone who wants to see single shots can't just click a private URL you send them. Instead, they have to register with Flickr and befriend you. You then have to authorize that they're your family or contact before they can see the content. Also, if you come across a private photo link, there's no clear and easy way to request access to it from the content's creator without copying the URL and tracking them down to send an inner-network Flickrmail. The good news is there's a "guest pass" system, but this applies only to entire sets or your entire photo stream--not just single shots--which comes back to my organizational quibble about having to piece together shots into a set with each upload.

Overly simple design. Some people love it, others dislike it. Sometimes things can just be too simple. While slide shows and the new Places pages are visually stunning, the photo streams, user profiles, and group photo pools are a little lackluster. Given the success of Apple's recent overhaul of their photo hosting services on .Mac, we'd like to see a little more personal flair and customization make its way onto Flickr. Even just changing the background color would be nice.

Related: The Real Deal: Online photo sharing

Josh Lowensohn writes for Webware.com, CNET's blog about Web applications and services. E-mail Josh, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/Josh.
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by BillyWarhol November 29, 2007 12:04 PM PST
Some Good Points!

Especially on being able to BACKUP YOUR Content!

I did just try an Awesome new Solution FlickrEdit by SunkenCity.org + it looks Great!

Cheers! Billy ;))

p.s. They may wanna add Music capability + get with the Social Networking Program!! Even tho Flickr is still the Shining Light of the Web2.0 Universe especially compared to Overrated Billion Dollar Jokes like MySpace + Facebook + YouTube* - they don't even Register a Blip on the Social Network Scene - they are still operating under the $35 Million Dollar Illusion that they are a "Photo Site"!!
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by Familyresource4u November 29, 2007 12:38 PM PST
Very good post! Flickr is getting so high these days that it gave many people the impression that it is prefect. Well I like many features Flickr offers but it is just too simple. At this time, I keep Flickr as a way to share with my friends and smugmug as online back up albums.
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by tekwrite November 30, 2007 6:01 AM PST
I have the Pro version and like it. I do agree it is too hard to share photos with others, I have to invite them to join. I don't have much trouble with photography uploads as I look at the untagged ones and those are the ones I put in a new set. or the ones I upload on a specific day.
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by schellack November 30, 2007 6:40 AM PST
Another "hate" (really more a of a dislike) is that many of my family members and friends appreciate some simple editing tools that Flickr lacks, other than the ability to rotate photos. I don't really look for that additional functionality, as if I'm going to edit a photo, I'm going to use Photoshop. However, it would be nice, when on the go, to have the ability to crop photos.
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by jeremy128 November 30, 2007 10:23 AM PST
I actually like sets. It's nice (for me) that I don't have to put the pictures I upload in a specific folder, I can just have them 'there'.
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by ghaff November 30, 2007 11:29 AM PST
Data portability is one beef (though I'm not quite sure what that means beyond mass FTP download).

Ability to upload Raw files for backup purposes would be nice (even if they're not displayed).

Related would be the ability to selectively decide what resolution of JPEG gets seen by different groups. i.e. upload full-sized JPEGs but only display up yo 800x600 to the general public.
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by davehm November 30, 2007 12:15 PM PST
i'm not sure what the complaint is about hotlinking. a number of folks i know use flickr as a host for a weekly photo contest and have no trouble hotlinking their images. and without any link love or blue boxes. in fact i haven't seen the blue box you're writing about.

while i do have a pro account i only use it for sharing photos. and when i do that it's as a link not a hotlinked image. all my contest entries are hosted on my own site for better control of them. and permanency, such as it is.

the sets are ok, haven't tried collections but the photo stream part doesn't really work for me. then again for $25 i don't expect much more than a stable host for stuff that i want to share publicly. and i'd rather point the teeming masses at flickr than have to edit my web pages for the occasional image.
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by Josh.Lowensohn December 5, 2007 5:23 PM PST
You can hotlink all you like, but it's against the TOS and community guidelines. If Flickr catches you doing it, they'll either suspend, or disable your account.
by kemorr November 30, 2007 12:29 PM PST
It's not as cool or sexy, etc as some of the other services, but picasa web albums is easy to get photos on the web (essentially one click), easy to share photos w/ anyone without requiring them to sign up and you can allow others to download your photos or order prints from online, and you can upload full resolution files so it is viable as an online backup service if you're willing to pay for the storage.

I was able to upload maybe 100 photos in the time it took me to sign up for and briefly read about another online photo site. I guess I'd rather have functional and easy to use over cool, hip, trendy, etc...
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by kellergraham November 30, 2007 1:21 PM PST
Flickr just recently changed the way Geotagged images appear on its map. You're limited to seeing the most recent 19 pictures, it used to be 200. And when you move the map, it doesn't update. The old maps were a lot better. The new maps miss the point of Geotagging.
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by Kosh III December 1, 2007 8:28 AM PST
I tried flickr and did not like the confusing navigation scheme. There just doesn't seem to be an easy way to go from one pic to the next or back etc.

I use Phanfare which, though pricey, allows big video files and has a very nice full screen slideshow feature.
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by jonester December 2, 2007 2:38 PM PST
ZOOOMR.COM ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!! Way more awsomer than Flickr, you get much more comments and faves, and with their chat feature (Zipline) people know when you talk, they can respond, they can see every photo you just uploaded.

(Username: Jonester)
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by i5bala December 2, 2007 11:52 PM PST
Although Flickr is a great app, it still lacks in some of the key Usability stuffs missing. Checkout my big list of Flickr usability review at :

http://i5bala.blogspot.com/2006/11/hello-yahoo-simple-features-or-changes.html
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by Philscbx February 7, 2008 5:45 AM PST
Well Done I must say.
But to do the basic moves from any image your looking at, and wanting to go to say 'Home Page', or back to the beginning of search, is done when I hold down browser back up button down and pick the page I want to go to. If that helps some of you. One thing you might not want to do is save other members images to your favorites at your home page for others to view.
Flickr may need to use your review to show members how to use their service.
by HAM5732 December 3, 2007 2:02 AM PST
Good article. An extremely important feature to me - that I haven't been able to find in an onsite photo service or Flickr - is the ability to search the uploaded files based upon characters in the filename. For example, I'd like to search for all photos containing "-15" in the filename WITHOUT having to tag each file after uploading. It doesn't appear Flickr allows for that. Are there any services that do?
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by Themisive December 3, 2007 2:19 PM PST
Have you tried Webshots?
by Themisive December 3, 2007 2:22 PM PST
I think I can see your point, however have you tried Webshots?
by Josh.Lowensohn December 5, 2007 5:30 PM PST
That's a fairly tall order for filenames alone. On a camera level, with some models you can tweak the default file name to include such a prefix to the shots. The same can be done in post-process, although it sounds like you're trying to skip that step entirely.

Have you given http://flickr.com/search/advanced/ a try?
by danielgree December 3, 2007 5:47 AM PST
Great post!!
Flickr is one of my favorites web services,
despite all those true things you've mentioned to hate.
I use this social aggregator called 8hands, and it notifies me whenever one of my Flickr friends uploads new photos, so I never miss a single shot.
It's awesome. (their "photos from your contacts" feature kinda suck- it's too messy!)
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by fluffycreature December 3, 2007 6:16 AM PST
I think Flickr is well done but the one thing preventing me from a pro Account is Flickr is Yahoo owned. Yahoo gave information to Chinese officials and people are now in prison.

Quite simply it is a moral issue, not a technical issue. I wish it were not the case.

t.
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by Philscbx February 7, 2008 5:52 AM PST
If it's to solve a crime, then so be it.
Your family is looking for your missing body.
by Themisive December 3, 2007 2:17 PM PST
I don't want (or need) my photos on the web, I basically have 3 choices, 1) either put them on one of the 2 flash drives I have, keeping them independent of the computer, 2) using a website facility my ISP has given me or 3) use my own website.

the only time I can see any good use for photos on the 'net is if they are ones you generally want to share with others. However, as mine are all only really relevant to me, keeping them private is the best option - I tend to use my camera for photographing progress of electronic builds and similar.
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by car4dave December 17, 2007 8:02 PM PST
Flikr shmikr.. When Yahoo closed its photo's I moved mine to photobucket.com.
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by Philscbx February 7, 2008 5:23 AM PST
What I do not like about a lot of photo sites is a linked image in a forum presents at max a 200 x 100 image, and poor quality.
As a pro member at Flickr, I can link a full screen view beyond 1200x if I want or down to thumb nail size. Most people have wide screen laptops and this works to their advantage to view a specific subject.
Linking people to view albums by permission is not that big a deal.
I let people do that if I shoot a Halloween event when 200 plus kids come for Trick or Treat in some of the best costumes. I give the parent the link in email to enjoy the moment. Simple as that.
Geo Tagging is still a work in progress and not used by many, but is a major hit for the tourist going to Europe for the first time. Until cameras come standard with the feature, I use my own software mapping, mousing over any spot shows coordinates in real time with altitude.
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