September 9, 2009 9:10 AM PDT

Trapped in a drain...try Facebook for help?

by Don Reisinger
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Australia's firefighters are apparently a bit worried about the future of emergency services, after rescuing two girls trapped in a storm drain who turned only to Facebook to ask for help.

According to southern Australia's Metropolitan Fire Service, it received a "Triple Zero" emergency call on Sunday. (That's Australia's equivalent to 911.)

(Credit: MFS)

The person who called said that two girls, ages 10 and 12, were trapped in a drain in Adelaide. The girls had a mobile phone with them, but opted to ask for help through their Facebook profiles, rather than dial Triple Zero.

"It is understood that friends of the girls were alerted to their predicament via a social networking website, which had been updated from a mobile telephone the girls had with them while in the drain," the MFS said in an e-mail. "It is believed the girls had been in the drain for quite some time. The sun had already set and conditions were dark."

Firefighters responded after they received the call and brought the girls to safety.

Nonetheless, firefighters weren't exactly pleased with the whole situation. Since emergency services are only available by dialing Triple Zero, the firefighters couldn't have known the girls were in the drain until someone called. The organization is even more concerned that contacting social networks, rather than dialing Triple Zero, will become a trend.

"While the MFS is pleased the situation was safely resolved, the MFS is urging all people, especially young people involved in an emergency, to always call Triple Zero for a guaranteed emergency service response," an MFS representative said in an e-mail. "Calling Triple Zero should always be the first communication people make during an emergency, as time is critical. Social networking sites rely on friends being logged on, noticing a message and taking a message seriously enough which potentially could lead to a dangerous delay."

The concern over people using social networks for help is a real one.

Last year, a father of a missing girl asked Twitter users to help him find his daughter. Meanwhile, the nonprofit Innovative Support to Emergencies, Diseases and Disaster aims to help people find support during crises through social networks, like Facebook or Twitter. And the organization wants social-networking sites to become a first line of defense when humanitarian needs arise.

So it seems that emergency responders might need to deal with more social-networking usage going forward.

Are police officers and firefighters becoming an afterthought? Would you ping Facebook, Twitter, or your local emergency service first in a critical situation?

Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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by DatabaseDoctor September 9, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
The firefighters are concerned that this will become a trend? Let it! Only idiots would "call" Facebook or Twitter to get help. The lack of information to assist EMS could result in these mental defectives losing their lives... but the gene pool would get a good cleaning.
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by pmfjoe September 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT
Ok, so if my house is on fire I shouldn't update my facebook. I should get out and call 911. Got it. lol. I think you are correct if you that stupid well you really do deserve whatever happens.
by bwrobertson2 September 9, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
two girls, ages 10 and 12...
by rdunn September 12, 2009 12:29 AM PDT
evem 10 and 12 should be taught and know to use the emergency number. guess they were embarassed and couldn't judge that there might be some danger they were in.
by shayneox September 9, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
Sad , goes to show how stupid our youth are getting in this day and age , yet they seem to think they are so smart , then do stuff like this.....morals , honor , respect , common sense.....things that will be in museums one day Alex
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by Jamasama September 9, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
Two girls are not "the youth". Reconsider who doesn't have respect now you've just called the billions of children on this planet stupid.
by Renegade Knight September 9, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
@Jamasama

Given that todays generation feels that the last generation was both smater and more ethical, it's not a stretch to think that respect for people means calling the stupid ones stupid. Love and respect are not about looking the other way when there is a problem to be solved.
by Jamasama September 9, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Seeing as stupid is an insult, and not a strict fact, it can't really be respectful to call someone it.

However, I'm sure we can all agree regardless of intelligence of any generation, their seems to have been a lack of guidance given to these children on what to do in an emergency situation. Partially to blame for the parents not making sure they fully understand, and partially the children for not using their common sense.
by Been_there_Saw_it_before September 9, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
An opinion:

Two girls stuck in a drain, probably where they were not supposed to be, most likely embarrassed by their situation, somewhat fearful of the police or fire, most likely very fearful of their parent's reaction, and they just want to get out. Who do you call? They probably wanted some comfort and they turned to their friends.

When my daughter was five she got her foot wedged between a seat back and the seat in a resturant. Somehow she got it twisted a little and it started to swell. Two paramedics, two fireman, a policeman, three resturant employees, and mom. They were ready to saw the support bracket off until mom suggested calmness, a little bit of airspace, some cooking oil, and an ice bag. Mom knows, she knows.

I can understand exactly how those two girls probably felt and I think no less of them for what they did, and neither should you.
by Jamasama September 9, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
I agree with that completely.

But had something have gone wrong, calling official services first could have made a big difference. Children and teenagers should be taught, like I have been, that that's where you should always go first, before contacting family and friends.
by VelvetWood September 9, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
to Been_There_Saw_It_Before:

You might would have a point if the kids had called their _parents_. They didn't. They didn't call anyone. Were they mine, I'd know a couple of little girls who wouldn't be leaving the house for _months_ and would spend that time minus cellphones and computers, because obviously they've become crutches that keep them from using their brains. You can bet mum didn't buy them those phones so they could update facebook in an emergency. Frankly, the fact that they didn't call emergency services isn't half as disturbing as them not calling their own family. I very much doubt that they were panicking.... possibly wanting a friend to help so they wouldn't get in trouble, but updating facebook from a cellphone isn't a panic reaction, given what a pain in the neck it would be. It's more of a 'oh lord, we're in trouble now!' type reaction, and until they have enough good sense that survival instincts outrank worry over getting caught, they ought not be out alone... granted, at their ages, they shouldn't be, anyway, and hopefully now their parents have realized that cellphones do not replace adult supervision.
by jhwaller September 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
OMGosh Alex, that is so profound and very true. Things that will be in museums one day! Very sad, and unfortunately true.
by kareljack September 9, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
Maybe it's a generation thing, but I sure as hell would turn to 911 first before using any social networks.
Gawd.. people are dumb.
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by calculatorwatch September 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT
maybe if they made it so you could just text 911, that would appeal to the tweens-in-trouble
by FreddieT September 9, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
I wouldn't think twice about calling 911 If I were in a "critical situation." OTOH, I wonder if the fact that more people seem to turn to social-networking sites first for help shows lack of confidence or trust in the public rescue system? Just a thought.
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by 02cfranklin September 9, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
"Stuck in a drain LOL, but srsly someone needs to call for help"
"-FIRST!"
"-2nd!"
"-third?"
"-lulz fo srs?"

Sounds like a good way of getting someone to contact the Emergency services to me!
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by sbwinn September 9, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
Maybe they were looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Call 911 (or 000) and you'll hardly get noticed. Go to Facebook for help and you'll get international coverage. Maybe that is cynical and they really were just stupid, but you never know.
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by knowles2 September 9, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
nah these girls would not be smart enough to think like that.
by lazycat202 September 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT
maybe they don't know the existence of "000". Their parents already trained them in case of emergency? I guess not.
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by darthgerber September 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
@ all above posters:
Look, to you and I, in our comfy little worlds, it seems absolutely obvious that you dial 000 or 911 or whatever your local emergency number is. But for two young girls who are in a panic, utilizing the communications tool they use most often probably seemed like the logical next step. True, their parents should have ingrained within them the proper protocol, but let's not have such a malevolent attitude towards children who did the best they could in a panic-stricken situation. Have some compassion.
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by sbwinn September 9, 2009 11:00 AM PDT
Got lots of compassion. Fires, floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, criminals, etc. are notoriously lacking in compassion. When you have a problem, call emergency services, call your Mom, call your lawyer! Even texting someone would work. Certainly they know how to do that. Updating your Facebook profile should be the last thing on anyone's mind.

P.S. I love how you suggest that people in a panic take the next logical step. If you are in a panic your survival instincts kick in. Apparently updating Facebook is REALLY ingrained into these kids.
by Renegade Knight September 9, 2009 11:34 AM PDT
Fair point. Posting to facebook got help. Screaming for help would likely have gone unheard. No idea how well ther tripple zero thing is advertised or the amount of confidence. In this country, morons dial 911 for the time.
by auggietsui September 9, 2009 2:12 PM PDT
I agree with Renegade Knight - there are so many people who call 911 for the wrong reason here in the US and abusing Emergency Medical Services. I even heard where first responders arrive on situations where a regular homeless person would call 911, fake a heart problem and get a warm bed, hospital stay and a meal while they get treatment and examined. This homeless person would call 2-3 times a week and get treated because it is responsibility of the EMS to not deny anyone.
by eyepoker September 9, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
using a social service to find help in an emergency is a dumb idea - dial tripple 0 or 911 FIRST, then alert your family/firends later as time/events permit.

The only exapmle of a social service doing some good that I have read about is the event within the past year where someone was suicidal and actualy got help from some people (strangers?) via faceBook (? or was it myspace?) who upon reading this person's typed thoughts made the attempt to find/contact this particular person. It had a good ending. I read about it here on news.com so the article is in the database somewhere for those who want to get up to speed on it (if its accessible)

The implication though is that Facebook or twitter might need to carry some sort of emergency response functionality like cell phone carriers are required to do. it may come to that....
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by willdryden September 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
I like databasedoctor's response. There is a arwin award that pays tribute to those who, having lost their lives by doing something stupid, have in fact advanced the gene pool. Some of the winners really deserved what happened to them as well.
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by sdandrew75 September 9, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
I remember when VoIP services like Vonage didn't support e911, the CEO or other founder responded to a question/concern about emergencies by stating that he would "text a friend" if his house was being robbed. Maybe his friend was Ken Shamrock, but I'm guessing it was another nerd who would then tweet that his house was being robbed.
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by auggietsui September 9, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
The parents are the ones to really blame - if they don't teach kids to call for help when it is really needed they should take away the cell phones. Why would they give them a cell phone if not to call for emergencies? It is not a fashion statement or a trendy fad to have a phone.
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by porlgalaga September 9, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
finally darwin's theory of evolution will apply in full force to mankind once more, i knew facebook would come in handy for something.
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by k2dave September 9, 2009 3:12 PM PDT
I've been in semi-potentially-critical situations where I could not connect making a voice call but could send a txt message, which is what facebook uses. It also uses far less power to transmit, saving battery life, one other time a call only lasted about 5 seconds before the phone battery died.

I don't know if any of the above applies to them, but txting does seem to have some application in emergency situation.
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by GEO2003 September 9, 2009 4:03 PM PDT
We can/t be making excuses, the parents should from early age, instill on their kids that they should not be ashame if they are in trouble at anytime and to call the appropiate authorities or parents.

Cellphone batteries die, if you have enough to call 000 or 911, the technicians have the ability to triangulate your position if kids are not sure of their location. Social networks do not have this capability.

Granted in this case it appears that the girls gave location information, otherwise Emergency Services would never have gotten to them.

But there are so many cases were kids don't know their exact locations/intersection
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by Harrison912 September 9, 2009 4:36 PM PDT
Although using a social network isn't the quickest or most effecient way to get help in an emergency, I'm thankful that, in a stressful situation, they thought of something that got them some help. I use FaceBook and other social sites to help market my safety and security web site as well as raise awareness for it's life saving products. Saving lives is always socially acceptable.
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by crashly2 September 9, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
Maybe they were out of credit, but still had data, and didnt realise 000 was free?
Or maybe they werent in that big of a panic and thought it was funny, so just wrote it on facebook?
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by Gary Valan September 9, 2009 11:37 PM PDT
What the heck were they doing in a drain anyway? A mall, I understand, a Starbucks (the Oz equivalent), I understand, but a drain? Is this the new new trend?
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by walwebster September 10, 2009 5:52 AM PDT
<<So it seems that emergency responders might need to deal with more social-networking usage going forward.>>

"going forward"? Is that, like, what we mean when we say "in future" (in English)?

<<Are police officers and firefighters becoming an afterthought? Would you ping Facebook, Twitter, or your local emergency service first in a critical situation?>>

You would if you'd tried dialling 000 during this year's bushfires here ... you'd look for a carrier pigeon before you'd dial 000.
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by pcastine September 14, 2009 5:29 AM PDT
Lots of complaints about "kids too daft to use emergency services", but nobody mentions what is probably the root of the problem:

Did anyone ever teach these kids about Emergency Services telephone numbers? If parents and schools don't teach kids about 000/911/999/whatever the national emergency number is, kids aren't going to know about them, are they? Updating Facebook status may seem a lame way to ask for help, but if these kids hadn't been taught to use 000, what they did actually demonstrated a certain amount of common sense in a stress situation.

I've read five different reports on this story, and none of them has gone into this background question, so who's to know what the girls had or had not been taught? But assuming they were just stupid gits (and that, by extension, the entire generation is doomed to inanity) seems not entirely justified.
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