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June 16, 2009 10:51 AM PDT

Firefox 3.5 'Web upgrade' planned for end of June

by Stephen Shankland
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Mozilla plans to issue a release candidate for Firefox 3.5 on Friday and the final version by the end of the month, Firefox director Mike Beltzner said Tuesday.

The browser, code-named Shiretoko, began its life as a modest 3.1 upgrade. But as Mozilla's ambitions expanded and other browsers such as Google Chrome exerted competitive pressure, the new Firefox was promoted to version 3.5 and its planned ship date slid back several months. You can grab the Firefox 3.5 beta for Windows, Mac, and Linux.

Firefox 3.5 comes with a spate of new features--5,000 total, according to Mozilla. Among the major ones: built-in video; local storage to enable richer Web applications that can work even with no network connection; a private browsing mode; geolocation to aid Web pages that can benefit from knowing a user's location; and faster performance loading pages and executing Web-based JavaScript programs.

"We've added technology we think upgrades the Web itself," Beltzner said.

Mozilla squeezed in a post-beta-4, pre-RC1 Firefox update last week, and the official release candidate 1 will get mostly a handful of changes to correctly handle some unusual JavaScript situations correctly, Beltzner said. And because of Firefox's extensive beta-testing network--800,000 people use the beta versions--Mozilla expects that RC1 will be the sole release candidate.

"We're aiming the final release around the end of the month," Beltzner said.

Firefox trails only Internet Explorer in market share, and Mozilla says its use is growing fast.

Firefox trails only Internet Explorer in market share, and Mozilla says its use is growing fast.

(Credit: Net Applications)

Update 12 p.m. PDT: Other features in Firefox 3.5 include support for Web workers, which can enable browser-based applications to run in the background; personas to more easily provide themes; downloadable fonts; better built-in graphics technology through CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) and SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) standards; the ability to delete browsing traces for a recent period of time or specific Web site; and built-in support for the JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) technology for better communications between a browser and server.

What's after Firefox 3.5?
Mozilla has a number of improvements in mind for the successor to Firefox 3.5, code-named Namoroka, and Beltzner said programmers are eager to get 3.5 out so they can get cracking.

One is a process isolation technology called Electrolysis that should help protect Firefox from crashes, said Damon Sicore, director of platform engineering. Competing browsers' process isolation can help keep the browser running even when one page or plug-in misbehaves, but Firefox today crashes in its entirety, employing the less graceful approach of trying to reopen the pages upon restart.

The first phase of Electrolysis will be to isolate plug-ins such as Adobe Systems' Flash so a problem won't crash the whole browser, Sicore said. "It's going faster than we expected. By the end of July we hope to have a prototype," a separate development version of Firefox where the technology can be tested, he said.

Next up for Electrolysis will be a broader isolation technology that separates the processes of tabs, he said. "The goal for that is somewhere around the end of year in prototype form," Sicore said.

Also in the future is a 64-bit version of Firefox for Mac OS X. "We have people working on that now, a 64-bit version on Mac OS X. The majority of that is supposed to be done by end of quarter," Sicore said. Again, loose deadline is for prototype work, not a production version.

Apple's new Snow Leopard operating system is fully 64-bit, including Safari, and Apple boasts that JavaScript runs much faster in the 64-bit version

Most Firefox add-ons should move easily to 64-bit versions, Beltzner said, unless they include binary software compiled specifically for 32-bit operating stems.

Though 64-bit Windows is now arriving, "It's not one of our supported-tier platforms," Beltzner said.

Firefox also plans to improve performance in Namoroka, including start-up time and user interface responsiveness.

Firefox in second place
Firefox broke the lock Microsoft's Internet Explorer had on the browser market, and now there's abundant competition. Apple's new Safari 4 works both on Mac OS X and Windows, Google's Chrome is advancing the performance agenda, and Opera is trying to advance the state of Web computing.

But Mozilla has a big leg up on other IE rivals. Based on the number of machines that ping Mozilla's servers, the organization estimates there are 300 million Firefox users worldwide--a major increase from the 175 million a year ago when Firefox 3.0 was released amid "Download Day" promotional fanfare. According to NetApplications, Firefox has 22.5 percent share, a number that Beltzner said corresponds reasonably well with Firefox's own measurements.

"Our growth has been steady and strong throughout the past year," Beltzner said.

One of Firefox's competitive advantages is an active community, not just the open-source coders who help Mozilla with the core programming but also vocal fans, translators, testers, and programmers who write add-ons. That community has been helpful in places like Poland, where Firefox has nearly 50 percent market share, and Indonesia, where it has the majority, Beltzner said.

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by ITcomposer June 16, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
This second take of the browser wars is pretty interesting

IE 8 leapped frogged ahead of a few competitors
SAFARI entered windows, and has 8% market share
FIREFOX now gets ready to jump in with 3.5 and the enterprise market.

Keep em coming boys this is only getting better for us users.
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by MadLyb June 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
..."post-beta-4, pre-RC1"

Are we just that afraid to either call it another Beta or RC release, so try and spin it away?

Sheesh.
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by Shankland June 16, 2009 12:04 PM PDT
The politics of version naming are pretty silly sometimes.
by bourgtai June 16, 2009 11:33 AM PDT
"We've added technology we think upgrades the web itself. It's called HTML 5, and we're pretty sure Safari, Opera, and Chrome didn't have it before us. And how could they? The entire thought is preposterous. Don't download those other browsers or nothin', because they definitely don't have HTML 5. Yeah. We already checked for you... so you don't need to now."
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by richard mitnick June 16, 2009 11:40 AM PDT
FCF3.X has seen increases in crashes, reported on many forums. We hope that whatever was irritating 3.0.10 was fixed in 3.0.11.

Otherwise, there is a really solid robust Gecko based browser, Seamonkey 1.1.16, soon to be 2.0, part of the SeaMonkey Suite which succeeded the Mozilla Suite, which was born out of the original Netscape.

>>RSM
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by renGek June 16, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
haven't had any kind of crashing at all and i'm using it at work and at home. Perhaps its your add-ons. I have all of 2 add ons because I know those things are going to cause trouble at some point.
by Freedomstarfox June 16, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
I have over 30 add-ons and have never experienced any crashes.
by texaslabrat June 16, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
I noticed a marked decrease in stability of 3.0.10 compared to 3.0.9 running on Vista-64. I'm now running the 3.5 beta4 and have had no issues at all. I haven't tried 3.0.11 yet...I've not had a reason to move away from the beta so far.
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:36 AM PDT
Never saw any of those crashes. Do not use any add-ons though. Never saw anything useful in them.
by eBob1 June 16, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
Here's what I get:

"What's wrong with the internet that came with the computer?"
"Why do I need to install a different internet?"
and my personal favorite,
"Aren't all internets the same?"
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by justint89 June 17, 2009 9:08 AM PDT
SECURITY STABILITY, USABILITY, CHOICE!
interenet explorer has serious issues, as all of the browsers do but! it has the most
usability firefox has if not better with add ons etc.
firefox is pretty stable..
and it comes down to choice would like to get forced to have cable tv and only cable tv nothing else??
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:35 AM PDT
Be honest - for most people all "internets" are the same. If people do not distinguish between a browser and the internet, then why do you expect them to see a difference between browsers?
by tomws June 16, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
If 3.5 is as big a sack of crap as the rest of the 3.x series, they can keep it. I'm tired of crashes and constant "update failed" notices. If Chrome gets a fill-blown Firebug, Mozilla is getting the finger from me for the last time.
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by Freedomstarfox June 16, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
Maybe its your add-ons. Corrupt installation? I never experienced any of the crashes people report about Firefox.
by jpap93 June 17, 2009 11:31 PM PDT
Yeah, me neither. Makes me wonder sometimes.
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:33 AM PDT
Never had any crashes. Never failed any updates. Running on 64-bit Vista Ultimate. Works like a charm, beats me what people don't like about it.
by Frederikrooms June 16, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
I hope it will be a bigger & better improvement than 3.0 was!

To be honest, when it comes to surfing the web, Chrome appears on my screen! I only use firefox to enable xmarks and downthemall, and that's a small percentage of my surfing time. Even IE8 is much more advanced and faster over IE7 and 3.0
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by cvaldes1831 June 16, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
My guess is that there will be a second release candidate and the final version will slip into July.
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by cvaldes1831 June 19, 2009 10:35 AM PDT
Oddly enough, RC2 was released the same day that RC1 was scheduled to debut.
by cvaldes1831 June 24, 2009 8:03 PM PDT
And Yet Another Release Candidate (RC3)...
by dudesmiles June 16, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
Hey Opera! Firefox makes a browser people actually like and their market share keeps going up! Maybe consumers are not the ignorant a-holes u think. Looks like people are capable of making choices without the EU!
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by Efrow June 16, 2009 11:03 PM PDT
I have to defend Opera here. I use Opera as my primary browser, but I have Firefox as my secondary, and then IE as a last resort. I keep trying, but I cannot get the same configuration in Firefox as I can in Opera.
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:32 AM PDT
Opera has lost all of my respect when they made this statement that now not including IE with Windows is "not what they wanted". I guess they wanted Microsoft to distribute their product. Good luck with that. Not that I will ever use it, even if it will come with a new PC at some point. I will uninstall it just like I usually uninstall lots of software which is put there by the OEM .
by contentcreator--2008 June 16, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
"Though 64-bit Windows is now arriving" --- where by "now", you mean 4 years ago... and many/most machines at retail have been 64-bit for a while now. In all fairness, though I'm a 64-bit advocate, not sure it's that critical for browsers on mac or windows. If you're set up to handle 64-bit mac, recompiling for 64-bit windows will be vastly simpler.
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by Shankland June 16, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
Yes, 64-bit Windows has been available for years, but only now is it a real force in the marketplace, in my opinion. Beltzner definitely seemed to indicate 64-bit Windows was on the backburner.
by Mr. Dee June 16, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
Wasn't there a 64 bit version of Firefox long time ago? I remember it was available some back in '04 - 05. I disagree with Mozilla's stance though considering that there is a large blanket of 64 bit Windows installs, especially where Vista is concerned.
by Cole_Brodine June 16, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
There is a version called "Minefield" that some people are already compiling for 64-bit windows. It isn't an official Mozilla binary, so you can't report bugs to Mozilla. It seems to work really well for me. Flash, of course, doesn't work in 64 bit yet, but all my extensions work fine.
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:30 AM PDT
This is really ridiculous - I've got a 64-bit Dell for years now, what exactly is the point of having a 64-bit processor (like most newer Intel dual/quad cores) and running a 32-bit OS? Most of the software I am running is 64-bit, IE is 64-bit, but Mozilla is thinking this is still something exotic! Yes, there is minefield, but this is an unofficial build and thus there is no feeling of security.
by iTrackmine June 16, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
As of May 2009, IE 6 still has 16.94% :(
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by beat_elite June 16, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
I don't find that to be a surprise since most of my school's computers use it, probably because it's more secure. But I find it terrible that i have to open multiple internet explorers since i can't use tabs.
by MadLyb June 17, 2009 7:18 AM PDT
My company *still* deploys new systems with XP and IE6 since we have over 2000 web based applications and they are still not all compatible with newer versions of major browsers.

At least our public site is kept up to date.
by justint89 June 17, 2009 9:10 AM PDT
WHY??
it is the worst edition of any browser!
how can people still deploy something so buggy i guess that's what happens when its preinstalled like it was and still is even when installing a service pack it should just upgrade to 8...
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:26 AM PDT
Well, I can tell why - on my older laptop with XP the IE8 did not work. I got it through Windows upgrade and it just did not work - I mean the menus were blank and so on. So, I uninstalled it and the system reversed to IE7. That one works fine.
by darksantos91 June 16, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
Now if Firefox had the features IE8 has for Windows 7, such as jump lists and tab previews on the task bar, It will be the best browser ever.
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by Freedomstarfox June 16, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
I agree. Maybe Firefox will get jump lists and tab previews when Windows 7 final release comes closer.
by dgtb1994 June 17, 2009 7:25 AM PDT
Mozilla is already working on it but I don't think it will be in FF 3.5 but maybe in FF 3.6.
by karnk432 June 16, 2009 1:17 PM PDT
Is it just me or is every feature of Firefox 3.5 to catch up with Safari?

built-in video - Safari 3
local storage to enable richer Web applications that can work even with no network connection - Safari 4
a private browsing mode - Safari 2
geolocation to aid Web pages that can benefit from knowing a user's location - Safari 4
faster performance loading pages and executing Web-based JavaScript programs - Safari is still faster. The performance race is between Safari and Chrome which is also a WebKit browser.
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by Freedomstarfox June 16, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
A lot of features of other browsers are to catch up with other browsers too. For example, Safari probably saw an increase in the usage of Google Chrome and the Webkit engine, so they added Chrome buttons. Also, Chrome and IE added Private Browsing based on Safari's idea too.
by unifex_ June 19, 2009 2:22 AM PDT
By and large, all browsers do same things. Whether the video is built-in or external player - WMP or something else - get embedded in the web page - I don't really feel a difference, I just watch the video. It's the same with pretty much everything. Of course, there are special needs of some people and then either you use proper extensions or find that some browser is better suited for your needs. But for larger audience - the big difference between browsers is long gone.
by ibelieve01 June 16, 2009 3:43 PM PDT
Until Firefox gets a decent email client that rivals Opera's, I cannot switch. I rely on an integrated email client too much. (And that sucky "Simple Mail" extension doesn't count, for one, because it's too limited in its features, but mostly because it will not send emails from my Hotmail account).
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by G-Skaf June 16, 2009 5:22 PM PDT
You can use Thunderbird for e-mail. It's a separate application, but it's quite powerful and versatile. Now that Hotmail's finally switched to POP3/SMTP, you can use it with any client.

Personally, I would like Firefox to remain a simple browser focused on getting the job done. Integrating things like an e-mail client would inevitably bloat it up. Every user should get just the basic stuff and then install add-ons to add any further functionality required.
by INDIANDEVIL June 16, 2009 7:49 PM PDT
THEY SHOULDN'T UPDATE FOX SO HASTILY ,INSTEAD THEY SHOULD MAKE IT MORE STABLE & SHOULD WAIT FOR STABLE RELEASE NOT PREVIEW OR BETA .BECAUSE MY EVERY NEW FIREFOX CRASHES MORE THAN PREVIOUS ONES.
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by Hoser McMoose June 17, 2009 3:43 AM PDT
Maybe if you turned off your caplock key it wouldn't crash so much?

Just a suggestion...
by minh tân June 16, 2009 10:56 PM PDT
i like Opera 10 beta
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by Issaland June 18, 2009 3:06 AM PDT
I do like to. But Opera have still major problems with displaying some websites, e.g. Hotmail site (login.live.com) is completely blank :( And I can't log in to some services. like You Tube. This is the very big downside of Opera!
by exactlyy June 17, 2009 12:12 AM PDT
since Firefox 3.5b55 i only got one crash , but when i tried the latest version of chrome , i got 2 crashes when trying to open aljazeera.net
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by exactlyy June 17, 2009 12:18 AM PDT
btw Firefox 3.5RC1 is now available for download yay :D
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by exactlyy June 17, 2009 12:23 AM PDT
wow if i am not mistaken and i know i am not firefox starts up faster , seems like the time opera and chrome needs to startup , and it got a new icon, its a little bit darker and more shiny ..i love it
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by LoudHeart June 17, 2009 12:47 AM PDT
This is wonderful news.
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