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June 4, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Debating the power of Google's Wave

by Rafe Needleman
and
Stephen Shankland

We've had about a week to absorb the Google's pitch for Wave, its new experimental communication platform, and about a day to try the actual early "sandbox" build of the service. See our hands-on review. But there's more to talk about with Wave. It's not just an app, it's an important evolution in the philosophy of written communication.

People will see Wave in different ways. For some, it's a clever take on e-mail. Others will see it as instant messaging with new features. Developers will look at Wave's open specs and APIs, and see a framework for new collaborative apps. But is it really any of these things, or just a crazy experiment from Google's Australian outpost?

Is it better than e-mail?

CNET Editor Rafe Needleman: In some ways, it really is. With Wave, you don't reply to a message with a new message, you instead add your reply to the message itself. When there are multiple people involved in a conversation, this can prevent a lot of confusion. There's only one "wave" in a conversation, not a volley of messages flying around that repeat each other.

CNET Senior Writer Stephen Shankland: Gmail users accustomed to conversation view, which stacks the back-and-forth discussion into a single view, will have an easier time adjusting to Wave's ways.

And just as Gmail works best if you only deal with one e-mail at a time, Wave is good at only one wave at a time. That's fine for a lot of IM-like chats, but if you work in depth on multiple waves simultaneously, think about opening multiple browser tabs. There are boldface indicators of new activity in your inbox, which tell you who's active, but with multiple tabs you won't always see them--especially if your inbox gets crowded with new waves.

Needleman: It's fun to play with now, but we don't know what using Wave will be like once we start getting overflowing inboxes of waves.

Shankland: Right. Every Net communication technology goes through a honeymoon period where just you and your close contacts use it. Then the whole Net discovers it and your little paradise becomes just another conduit for spam, inane jokes, and trivia. Expect the same issues with Wave.

Needleman: The thing everyone is going to make a big deal of in Wave is that you can interrupt someone who's carefully writing a message to you. You can barge into a message before they're done with it, demand the writer's immediate attention, and force them to shift from composing to replying. There will be a way to hide your real-time activity in Wave, but the default mode is real-time. It's interruptive and very different. There will be people who hate it.

We used Wave to write this story. It worked pretty well.

(Credit: Screenshot by Rafe Needleman/CNET)

Shankland: In my misspent youth, I used a Unix terminal command, talk, that was something of a precursor to instant messaging. I quickly grew to loathe the fact that every keystroke was visible. How many times have you had second thoughts about an instant message or e-mail? Think before you type.

Needleaman: I'm in trouble. I don't only think before I type. I think before, during, and after. My mother taught me that "writing is re-writing." I hope Wave doesn't prove her wrong.

So is it better than instant messaging?

Needleman: Again, it's different. In Wave, an e-mail conversation can become like IM, or a multiparty chat room. If there are multiple people in a thread, Wave does a pretty good job of making it clear who's responding to what. One big difference is that you can reply to anything anybody said, anywhere, so you can end up with a big, hairy mess of threads in a single wave. Hopefully the developers will add a way to collapse threads.

Shankland: To me, Wave felt more like an instant-messenger chat room than e-mail. E-mail gives time to pause and reflect, even in today's everything-is-urgent world. Wave imparts a sense of urgency when multiple people are using it simultaneously. With Wave, you feel rude if you don't respond to a question soon, at least when your contacts are actually in the wave at the same time.

As we were writing this document, I found myself wanting to use regular old IM to see if you heard what I was asking about. Maybe that's just a matter of getting used to Wave, but maybe it's because it's is so open-ended it's hard to tell exactly when a response is sought or provided.

Needleman: I did drop into regular IM. The wide-open structure of a Wave message might be a little too open. It's easy to miss things.

Shankland: Such as the question I asked you twice that took you two hours to respond to.

Needleman: I didn't see it. So I agree, Wave needs better notification features.

Shankland: Welcome to the limits of Web apps. HTML 5 has some notification work under way, so perhaps that'll improve in coming years.

How about as a collaborative editor?

Needleman: Wave is a lot like Google Docs. Several people can work on a document at the same time. Wave actually is more responsive than Docs and does a better job at letting people know who's editing what and where.

Shankland: Google Docs has plenty of weak points, but I find its collaboration feature a more profound and powerful change than any new features in the last few iterations of Microsoft Office. And Google Wave is like Google Docs on steroids when it comes to collaboration. Wave can spotlight the very area where others' attention is focused, which is important data when collaborating, even if you're sitting side by side.

But the what-everybody-else-is-doing visibility factor is also greatly diminished when you can't see where others are working in the limited screen real estate of Wave. The immediacy of the visible edits vanishes as soon as the other work is happening elsewhere. With Wave, there are plenty of trees falling in the forest that you don't hear. For example, in composing this document, I asked a question at the top of the Wave discussion thread. You didn't see it, either because you were away from the discussion or working elsewhere, and there's no notification about which particular part of the discussion changed. A green number next to the wave in the inbox provides some help.

Needleman: That's easy to fix. A little arrow pointing up or down in a document could indicate where others are typing, if they're off your screen.

Wave sounds confusing

Needleman: It is at first, but I found that I acclimated to its concepts pretty quickly. What I really appreciate about Wave is how easy it is to move between different modes. You can start a message like an e-mail, and then see it become a chat or IM conversation, and then go into collaboratively editing a document. I know it sounds horribly confusing but I found that it didn't take long to adapt to it.

Shankland: I acclimated rapidly, too, but I can see how the multi-edit chaos could be distracting even if you know what's going on. If you're the kind of person who can talk on the phone, send a text message, IM, and surf the Web at the same time, you'll be fine with Wave, but most of us have only so much attention span to go around, and Wave has the potential to overtax.

The user interface is also rough. Finding the vanishing button you need to click to edit a wave is a drag, especially when you lose your place in a wave by having to scroll up to the top when it occurs to you that you want to add some text.

Needleman: Lighten up. It's a developer preview.

Shankland: OK, fair point, and I'll withhold some criticisms of search syntax and contacts management that probably will be improved. But I think this issue could be bigger. One problem with Wave is that the servers have to know which waves are open for editing and when. It's easy for Google to shut off a user's editing privileges after a period of inactivity so the server can free up the resources required to keep a communication channel open, but it's a pain for the user to have to re-enable the privilege frequently, as I had to do while working on this piece. My preference would be that the reply/edit button hovers over the top-right corner of the window even as you scroll so it's always available.

Wave as a business platform

Needleman: I think Wave is a great platform for getting work done, but there are dangers. It can take a process that is deliberate and thoughtful and make it into a frothy and superficial back-and-forth. But there are some business process tools that could really benefit from real-time notifications and presence indicators, and from Wave's capability to show people where others' attentions are. I'm thinking of the Bugzillia platform, for example. It'd be great to know when a developer is working on a bug I've filed, so we can skip the e-mail ping-pong and work through problems in real-time.

Also, since Google will open up Wave's code and its APIs, companies that want to bring Wave in-house without putting all that corporate data on the Internet or in Google's servers could set up their own private Wave networks. And if they want, they can layer in any auditing or compliance features that Wave doesn't ship with. Theoretically, anyway.

Shankland: Expect businesses to go through an adjustment period as Wave arrives. There was a day when e-mail was a novelty, and later instant messaging, too, but now they're settling down to be ordinary tools. Arguably Twitter and social networking are headed that direction for some work purposes, too, and I suspect Wave will go through the same growing pains. Just as with other electronic communications, one person's active and engaging chat channel is another person's annoying, productivity-sapping distraction.

What's next for Wave

Needleman: Wave does feel like modern e-mail, and it relies on the modern Internet to work. Unlike old-fashioned e-mail, which was created when servers didn't have persistent connection to each other, Wave works because the machines on the Net are now, for the most part, constantly connected to each other. It also brings together different communication styles--e-mail, IM, chat, collaborative editing--into one app. I think that's great, but I'm not sure how well this idea will scale or what will happen as a broader user base starts to adopt it.

Shankland: Wave feels like some crazy crossbreed of Docs, Gmail, and IM, but I overall I find that refreshing more than troubling. And it's interesting that Google wants Wave to be not merely extensible through a programming interface, but also a brand-new communication protocol for the Internet. Google tries to use openness to advance its agenda, which is tactically intriguing.

Overall, it's a strong entry from a company that understands what the Internet enables, even if Google itself isn't a social network powerhouse. Google must convince people not only to sign up for Wave, but also to get their contacts to do so as well, which probably will be as much of a challenge as making the technology work. But the company is more likely to get ahead in the social realm by doing something different, like Wave, as it did with Gmail, and not by trying to out-Twitter Twitter or out-Facebook Facebook.

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by JohnFMoore June 4, 2009 5:11 AM PDT
This is a great overview of Google Wave. We are having an indepth discussion on Twitter regarding my post regarding Google Wave's potential as a CRM solution for SMB customers.

John
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by atish505 June 8, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
We are working with Google to develop a Sales Force like hosted application (SAAS model) but for non sales and sales folks alike. Apart form elements of Wave it also has Project and task management with team collboration and closed circuit (within the team threads) communication threads.
by IgnatiusTheKing June 4, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
Your avatar looks like Geraldo.
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by haikaladli October 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
Google is always making innovations. Moreover ChromeOS will be present at the end of the year ...

Do not forget to read related articles about Google Wave at the address

http://www.haikaladli.co.cc/2009/10/google-wave.html
by galadan111 June 4, 2009 5:56 AM PDT
"Gmail users accustomed to conversation view ... will have an easier time adjusting to Wave's ways."

and what about people who absolutely HATE Google's conversation views?

this is a great article, going over the pros and cons. one thing that disturbs me about wave is the ability to create branches ANYWHERE in the wave, causing possible confusion and big possibilities to miss new branches or comments.

my mom always taught me that something WELL THOUGHT OUT was better to read, so the IM / realtime capability doesn't hold too much weight with me. my luddite side showing again :)
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by Shankland June 4, 2009 9:14 AM PDT
Yup, the branches-everywhere option can be a problem. I suspect that people who like Wave will arrive at various informal protocols for using it, just as happened with IM, e-mail, and Twitter. It's a pretty open-ended foundation.

Though I find Wave conceptually similar to conversation view in Gmail, it is different, with nested responses, for example. Mostly the similarity is around the idea of organizing a conversation by subject rather than by timestamp. So you may or may not like Wave, but don't write it off because of its Gmail commonalities until you've tried it.

Your mom was right. I've regretted hasty IMs, e-mails, blog comments, and phone calls. Wave is just the next thing you'll have to be careful about.
by cosuna June 4, 2009 1:45 PM PDT
Your mother told you how to work on the 18th century linear paradigm.

I recommend you read "Gutemberg's Galaxy" by Marshal McLuhan.
"McLuhan divides history in four epochs: the oral tribe culture, the manuscript culture, the Gutenberg galaxy and the electronic age. For the break between the time periods in each case the occurrence of a new medium is responsible, the hand-writing terminates the oral phase, the printing and the electricity revolutionizes afterwards culture and society."

(I'm quoting wikipedia, since my copy has long been lost and have found no way of finding a replacement)
by June 4, 2009 5:58 AM PDT
I'm so excited about Wave that I can't stand not already having it. Confounded email. Wave has already spoiled me from "traditional" communication platforms. I want it now!
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by June 4, 2009 5:58 AM PDT
I'm so excited about Wave that I can't stand not already having it. Confounded email. Wave has already spoiled me from "traditional" communication platforms. I want it now!
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by jurijmlotman June 4, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
will there be lots of specialized 3rd-party clients, like Twitter, with special UX-design and more emphasizing certain wave-characteristics?
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by Shankland June 4, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
Google envisions that and I'm sure somebody is at work right now whipping up some AIR app. Google last week demonstrated a console version for green-screen command-line fans. Because it's an open protocol, others can build Wave apps and services. See this for more information:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10252579-2.html

http://www.waveprotocol.org/
by Voice_Of_Logic June 4, 2009 6:52 AM PDT
Do we have to look at these stupid avatars anymore?
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by tomws June 4, 2009 6:54 AM PDT
I appreciate the pro/con review. I'd bet, though, that when you re-read this after Wave hits (assuming it does), you'll consider many of your own arguments embarrassingly quaint. If not, then twenty years later you'll be sitting around telling "kids" that you know your stuff because years ago you did COBOL... er, I mean... email and IM.
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by Kimsh June 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
Of course, it come from Google so it will change the world. Like Gmail did right? No one had done email before Google... Twitter is currently at about 20% use by the 15 to 20 year old group yet people talk as though it has changed the world. Sorry, it is less important than SMS, and Wave may be as well.
by Super2online June 4, 2009 7:25 AM PDT
My take on your evaluation and after reading some of the early comments is that younger users will take to this like fish in a pond. They will be jumping for joy, wearing a smile ear to ear, and shouting their adulations to the rafters. Older users who like slow and steady will continue to use more traditional options like email, twitter, and facebook with one dimensional conversations for quite some time.

However, over time this and competitors versions that will certainly appear now that the cat is out of the bag with many of the improvements you mention will eventually succumb to the pressure from peers to beging using them.
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by jswright33 June 4, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
Interesting to think of twitter and facebook as traditional options.

I agree that younger users will embrace it first, but I think the adoption of facebook and twitter by an "older" crowd shows that technology can be used by everyone.

The eventual question is where it make it easier for us to communicate as we continue to spread out from each other. If that is yes (as I think it is with FB and twitter), it will succeed. If it is no, then, it will be used mostly by us in the technology crowd.
by mdeicaza June 4, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
The debate around Wave seems to be focused on the UI that was built with the foundation, but little attention has been paid to the actual engine that powers Wave, and that is where I think the real power of Wave is.

With Wave, developers can create collaborative applications *from the start*, not as an add-on, not as an after-thought, and it is what they get by default.

Collaborative applications is what made Google Docs so great. Now every app on the web can leverage a similar technology.

The UI is also not limited to be HTML-based. You can use the Wave infrastructure to to integrate it into your desktop or RIA applications just as well. The protocol would allow OpenOffice for example to become a full client to Wave, or the GIMP (Linux's PhotoShop) or any other proprietary application that wishes to connect to the Wave set of protocols.
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by jessiethe3rd June 4, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
UI = Outlook.... social capabilities - very excited about the possibilities here. Will it be taken seriously in a corporate environment? Probably not yet. Will SMB's adopt? Quite possibly if it's proven out. Will it replace mediums currently available... specifically OUTLOOK... maybe if they get a offline solution together as well? I don't know - it seems like Outlook / Exchange on crack with social computing capabilities to me....
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by InsITGuy June 4, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
The key to this will be to place control over the level of interactivity in the interface in the hands of the users. Users who prefer to make use of the extremely interactive and realtime nature of Wave to the max can do so, while the "luddites" or others who prefer more traditional offline composition and review should be able to damp down the interactive features as desired. Users who like the interactivity will probably still end up turning down the volume to some degree during periods of intense interaction or when too many Waves are going on for them to keep track of.

I think a key to Wave's usefulness and adoption will be in allowing the user to decide what degree of interactivity and realtime conversation is appropriate for the situation, their personality, their workload, and even their mood.
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by Kimsh June 4, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
The key point in the article for me is that Wave is only really useful if you are working on one issue at a time and can give it your full attention. The number of issues I juggle at once is rarely governed by my mood.
by June 4, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
I'm REALLY looking froward to trying Google Wave. But I'm sad that we aren't hearing more about security with regard to Wave. How can any modern interpretation of e-mail be created without considering authentication and spam? How can they even BEGIN without solutions to those fundamental problems with traditional e-mail?

After seeing how plug-ins can be sent right inside a Wave, here's something else I'm not looking forward to: Waves full of inane Facebook-style quizes and polls and apps that your friends are going to start spamming you with. "Which Star Wars character would you be?"
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by knowles2 June 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
Like all revolution, you think about overthowing the competition first and then think about correcting the faults of the competition later on.

As to the quizzes, just like Facebook there will be filters to filter them out.

I for actually enjoy doing them as way of interacting with people on facebook, certainly it fun to see people criticising the quizzes and then you spot that they filled one in. It addictive and it get people talking. Which I did not see happen as much when there was no quizzes or games on facebook.
by Hellcat June 4, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
I like the idea of Wave and watching the demo I was floored at the power of it. I do see a problem with the real time of it. I guess you can turn that off? If you can that would be better, if I'm one on one I may not mind the real time, or if I'm explaining something or using it as a collaboration tool. If I'm using it with multiple people or trying to write something I have to really think about (like a blog), I'd probably turn real time off. There is a lot to like about Wave, but I do see some possible problems (which were pointed out in the article) that can pop up.

I look forward to see where Google takes Wave, I think by the time it actually comes out it'll be much cleaner. I like the idea that it works with the PC, and phones which is cool. I'll look forward to it when it comes out. Until then without really trying it out I'm relying on others and video to get a feel for it. So far it seems like another possible Google hit.
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by andrew.mager June 4, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
Fine article fellas.
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by gefitz June 4, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
I really appreciate the sort of "epochal" change an application introduction of this sort implies. All our current methods presume only inconsistent communication channels...this moves towards a communications world where the expectation is that the communication channel is open at all (most) times.

It builds upon the IM model to provide a multi-layered, multi-capability framework of tools with which to work and communicate. REALLY exciting.
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by interoperate June 4, 2009 3:45 PM PDT
You've neglected to consider the huge impact Google Wave will have in the mobile space.

Across the whole gamut of micro and mini mobile devices, Google Wave is going to be a profoundly important technology platform.
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by sxydeeny June 4, 2009 8:05 PM PDT
collaborative application framework
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by katiepea June 4, 2009 11:41 PM PDT
nobody is gonna care about this, instant messaging already has FIRM roots, this is really just not very interesting
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by Hellcat June 5, 2009 3:43 AM PDT
This is so uninteresting and so many people don't care that everyone is writing about it and talking about it. YOU don't care about it and you're not everybody.
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