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Online Office gives Microsoft Open Web religion

by Stephen Shankland

Despite the fact that Microsoft has competing products of its own, some influential folks within the company have seen some merits of "Open Web" technology that's a standard part of browsers.

The interesting case in point is Microsoft Office 14, the upcoming version of one of the company's core products and profit engines. The software, due in beta form in 2009, is of Microsoft's highest-profile efforts to bring its desktop software power to the Web.

Chris Capossela

Chris Capossela

(Credit: Stephen Shankland/CNET)

Specifically, when it comes to the best tools for building rich Web applications, Microsoft has promoted its own Silverlight plug-in as superior to the lowly JavaScript that's built into browsers.

"I would use Silverlight any place starting new," Brad Becker, who as group product manager for rich client platforms at Microsoft helps oversee Silverlight, said in a 2008 interview. The online Google Docs applications are built using JavaScript-based technology called Ajax, but, he asked, "How many shops out there have the Ajax chops that Google does?"

However, Silverlight might well be easier to program and offer slicker results, but JavaScript has the advantage when it comes to ubiquity. Thus, Office 14 will be built on JavaScript, with optional Silverlight-based features for those who have the plug-in installed, said Chris Capossela, the senior vice president who oversees product management for Microsoft group that builds Office.

"The fundamental premise for Web apps is you want to be able to get at your Web apps no matter where you are," Capossela said in an interview.

Silverlight optional
Though Microsoft has expressed confidence Silverlight will spread broadly--by luring people to install Silverlight to watch the Olympics online for example--it's far from ubiquitous today. And Microsoft wants people to be able to use Office 14 online not just from their own computers, but also from friends' machines or airport kiosks where people don't have administrative privileges to install software, Capossela said.

Microsoft's demonstration of Web-based Excel.

Microsoft's demonstration of Web-based Excel. (Click to enlarge.)

(Credit: Microsoft)

Silverlight will improve the online Office 14 interface when installed, though Capossela wouldn't share details of how beyond an earlier demonstration of zooming a document to high magnification. But, he argued, Microsoft doesn't have to reproduce all the features of ordinary Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote in its online incarnations.

"You're probably not going to work for three hours straight in a browser, but you're going to want to do some lightweight work no matter what machine you have," he said. And if you're editing documents on your own computer, "We already have something on your machine. It's called Office. It defeats the purpose of doing productivity in the browser."

Balancing act
The view sheds some light on the balance Microsoft hopes to strike between the regular and Web versions of Office. Although the Web version of Office will be available for free in ad-supported form and in a licensed or hosted form for companies willing to pay, the company obviously still considers the PC-based version of Office the cornerstone of the business.

Google, on the other hand, which has no desktop software cash cow either to protect or benefit from, has every incentive to make Google Docs as powerful as possible.

That means Google has a stronger incentive to support JavaScript advances.

JavaScript speed has become a horse race among most browser makers, with Google loudly trumpeting performance of its V8 JavaScript engine built into Chrome. Internet Explorer trails Chrome, Apple's Safari, and Mozilla's Firefox in JavaScript execution speed, though the new IE 8 does better than its predecessor.

JavaScript runs a lot more than just Google Docs on the Web, so Microsoft doesn't have an incentive to retard IE progress just to spite its rival. But the fact that the company does have a version of Office that runs natively on the PC means the company isn't as reliant on JavaScript advances.

Microsoft's demonstration of Web-based PowerPoint.

Microsoft's demonstration of Web-based PowerPoint. (Click to enlarge.)

(Credit: Microsoft)

"We can make a very good experience in the browser and we don't have to compete with the rich-client experience we have today," Capossela said.

Ultraparanoia
What will be most intriguing to see as Office 14 arrives is whether Microsoft's attitudes shift. After all, Office is widely used, and the company certainly doesn't want people to have a negative experience with online Office overall or online Office in IE when there are competitors. So there are incentives for the company to improve JavaScript in IE, even though they aren't as strong as Google's.

Done right, online Office could help cement Microsoft's power as cloud computing arrives, bringing advantages such as the ability to let multiple people simultaneously edit the same document. Done wrong, it could yield power to Google as it seeks to expand its search power into other domains.

But though Microsoft may not be the first to the cloud with online productivity tools, don't expect it to be complacent. The Office business successfully navigated the transition from software running on isolated PCs to software that relies on a server for e-mail access or collaboration, Capossela said, and the company is paying close attention to the cloud transition.

"The use of these Web apps today is incredibly small," Capossela said. However, "we always feel ultraparanoid about missing out on something."

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by rhsc April 9, 2009 9:08 PM PDT
You should probably consider re-editing the article, as there are quite a lot of grammar errors
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by ppgreat April 9, 2009 9:11 PM PDT
Here's the conundrum to me: if you are shifting to an online office suite, do you necessarily want it to behave just like the app you have on your desktop? Or do you want it to be different enough to make it special?

And if it is online, wouldn't you want it to be free? Or pretty close to free?

I know that one of the biggest features that proponents of online products like this stress time and again is collaboration, i.e., people can get in and do all their comments and corrections on the same document or presentation.

Personally, I don't want anyone messing with anything I create. Comment, yes. But not get into the guts of the thing and cause more work for me by screwing up styles, graphics, etc.

What's that old anecdote about the camel being the result of the work of a committee that was trying to build a horse?
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by rollcage April 9, 2009 9:23 PM PDT
That's one reason that a versioning system similar to what's available in Google Docs is useful; you can revert any changes other people make, or even your own changes. Because most of the time other people aren't as smart as you!
by Shankland April 9, 2009 10:30 PM PDT
How about the situation where somebody you respect invites *you* to help work on a his or her document?

I don't do a lot of collaborative work, but when I do, having a canonical shared document online sure is easier than mailing versions around.
by kullz April 9, 2009 9:31 PM PDT
If I want to collaborate on some documents that have sensitive information then I rather not have that on Google's servers... With google already reading my emails to put ads right next to the email, I dont want my info to be available for snooping my google or MSFT or yahoo....
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by doctrina April 9, 2009 9:55 PM PDT
I am fine with a web based Office Suite that requires Silverlight, as long it supports Pivot Tables and other data analysis functions that are available in the desktop based Excel. Our research group currently uses Google Apps for wordprocessing, presentations etc, but for spreadsheet functions we still rely on Excel. If MS can provide the entire Office Suite in the Cloud it will leave GoogleApps in the dust.

I have to say, the Silverlight based user interface of Office Live Workspace is amazing. You have to try it out, if you haven't already.

When is MS planning to release Silverlight for Linux?
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by Shankland April 9, 2009 10:27 PM PDT
I doubt Microsoft will, but Novell has a project called Moonlight going to clone it: http://mono-project.com/Moonlight
by doctrina April 10, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
@Shankland

Very cool. I yust checked out Moonlight's website. :)
by macewan_ May 11, 2009 5:49 AM PDT
Moonlight is what you want for Silverlight on Linux. History over here http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/moonlight-10-brings-silverlight-to-linux.ars

I'm interested in how limited Microsoft "Office Suite" will be with regards to Mac OS X with Safari.
by mihaimanuta August 11, 2009 1:19 AM PDT
Yes, lately the wonderful web office live workplace no longer accepts connections from Linux. Even if you do have a Moonlight enabled browser. So... cross platform my a$$!!!
by Maccess April 10, 2009 5:38 AM PDT
sorry, but I don't see much of a future for Web Apps. I think there's a great future for net-linked Apps (POP/IMAP mail is one of the earliest examples), including portable versions that fit and workd from USB flash drives.

Hard drives have been getting biger and cheaper. There's no issue with having a 500MB application on your computer or flash drive if it means much better performance.

Now, that's a problem for some commercial software models, because there are free apps that because of the freedoms of their license encourage development of network linking modules...e.g. in OpenOffice.org there is an add-on that allows me to save a file to both my local hard drive and my google docs account.
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by BtmnHatesRbn April 10, 2009 7:41 AM PDT
Malware that phones home constantly.
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by Williame789 April 10, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
IE8 runs JS slow and is going to run Office 14 jajajajajaja. We all should use Google Chrome for better performance.
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by Shankland April 10, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
I asked Capossela if IE 6 would run Office 14 online. He said "We'll see." I have my doubts, but they could have a gracefully degrading set of features to match browser abilities. After all, Office 14 will have mobile phone access, too, and there's not a lot of computing horsepower there.
by Commander_Spock April 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
Re: "The use of these Web apps today is incredibly small," Capossela said. However, "we always feel ultraparanoid about missing out on something."

Yaw............nnnn! Can someone please tell us when those Hybrid "Lotus Kona" Java Beans start falling from the trees!
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by citizencontact April 10, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
Perhaps Microsoft could improve its HTML/Javascript version if it could adopt the full CSS standards as well as SVG into its web browser, Internet Explorer. Microsoft has gotten much well deserved credit for making AJAX possible which was a result of Microsoft porting one of its applications and adding the XMLhttpRequest call (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest ).

Here again Microsoft is faced with porting its applications to HTML and this time trying to push browsers to adopting a completely proprietary standard Silverlight, instead of complying with new web standards that could improve their applications and the web generally.

Finally all of the major browsers have adopted CSS's downloadable fonts (EOT does not count as it is not a standard) as well as SVG. Those two standards would make any application in HTML much more powerful. By not adopting those standards, Silverlight has the edge that it might not otherwise have.

I hope that Microsoft quickly adopts the web standards, offers improvements to them and then uses them. If at that point HTML fails then at least they have shown a fair effort. Of course that would not bode well for open standards and the webs use of HTML, but it would at least be a fair fight.

Daniel Bennett
http://www.advocatehope.org
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by ThePrairiePrankster April 10, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
With some American ISPs putting in caps for user bandwidth, how will these caps affect those who use cloud based apps from any vendor?

That being said, it is good to see competition in the cloud and hope we will all more apps that meet our needs regardless of vendor.
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by jairomejiagomez July 20, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
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Bishop John Shelby Spong says of this book that it ?rightly points out that those who seek to defend Christianity?s past are also killing Christianity?s future.? You may see two reviews of the book (links below) by eminent philosophers and thinkers that might give you an idea if this book is an insightful reading for you. You might look also at excerpts of the book at this link of Amazon.com.

Sincerely,

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