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July 21, 2008 11:58 AM PDT

Who really wants a tiny desktop?

by Rich Brown

You may have seen an article in The New York Times this weekend (registration required) on the subject of a new trend in small, cheap laptops and desktops. The story deals with the pressure PC makers face to make low-end, low-margin computers after the success of the Asus Eee PC mini laptop (or "Netbook" as they're called).

We can certainly see why laptop divisions of those companies might feel nervous. Traditionally, owning a laptop meant sacrificing power for portability and we'd wager that many people still hold to that notion (advances in gaming laptops notwithstanding). If demand for ultracheap laptops rises, and the big vendors try to satisfy it in earnest, they'll most definitely feel it in their bottom line as a result of those puny low-end mark-ups.

Not bad for $249, but what if we showed you a faster midtower PC for just $50 more?

(Credit: CherryPal)

The trend is different for desktops. First, cheap desktops are currently plentiful and have been for years, so it would be hard for the low margin systems to get worse. If you go to Best Buy's Web site, 22 of the 90 desktops on offer there fall in the $300 to $500 category, all of which come from Acer, Dell, or HP (HP by way of Compaq, and Acer via its own Aspire line as well as its eMachines subsidiary). None cost less than $300, but already, 25 percent of systems at the country's largest PC retailer aren't doing much for the big vendors.

Secondly, unlike laptops, whose screens contribute significantly to their price, these cheap desktops don't need to be small. Of the Best Buy 22, only the Acer Aspire X1200 falls into the small form factor category. And as eMachines shows us regularly, a cheap midtower desktop will outperform a small form factor PC for the same price every time.

That doesn't mean that desktop vendors haven't tried the cheap-and-compact route. Shuttle, who arguably started the small PC trend on the desktop side, came out with the $229, Linux-based KPC K-4500 earlier this year. The new CherryPal system, as mentioned in the Times article, and Asus's forthcoming Eee Box (whose shipping specs, we're told, have changed significantly since its June announcement) will also add to the discussion.

But for all of those efforts, we don't think Dell, HP, and others will need to go super small or worry more about thin low-end margins for desktops, at least any more than they already have. Just think of Apple's Mac Mini. While the iMac received a specs update this past April, the Mac Mini's hardware hasn't changed since last August, almost a full year. If demand was there, we suspect Apple would do a better job of keeping the Mac Mini current.

Now connect it to something.

(Credit: Asus)

We also don't think demand will pick up because while the Mac Minis and Eee Boxes of the world have visual appeal by themselves, customers still have to figure out how to use them, and their aesthetic and space-saving benefits can vanish once you connect them to a display, and a mouse and keyboard.

It's true that living room PC fans tend to be the most enthusiastic about these kinds of systems, but that customer segment remains a small niche, unlike, say, the potential market for small-and-cheap laptops, whose appeal crosses over from business travelers, to students, to anyone looking for a self-contained, secondary system for basic productivity.

Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by miggy_san45 July 21, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
it appears as though dell will enter the tiny desktop category. look at the bamboo encased pc that was introduced in april.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/22/dell-unveils-tiny-bamboo-cased-eco-computer-concept/
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by FMCook July 21, 2008 2:11 PM PDT
Why wouldn't I want a smaller form factor than a tower? We put a small HP on my wife's desk and it's working well. Some day I'm going to want to hook a computer into our home theatre. It won't have to be super small, but I'll sure want something designed to lie flat like an old fashioned desktop rather than something that stands vertically like a tower.
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by rhbrown July 21, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
Right. The Studio Hybrid: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9973733-1.html

I don't expect this one to fall into the ultra-cheap $250 to $400 category.
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by merrybrown July 21, 2008 4:06 PM PDT
Actually, if they could come up with a wireless display, to go with a wireless mouse and keyboard, I'd buy it. I could hide the smaller desktop/tower in a cabinet and move the other items around an office, a bedroom, a kitchen or a living room.
I would love to have a display that I could move from my counters to my island in my kitchen. or from the coffee table to a TV table in the living room. One of the problems with any desktop is how you are tied down to a single location.
I am thinking of a low power sort of internet surfing, e-mail unit that wouldn't need all the bells and whistles.
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by deowll July 21, 2008 7:00 PM PDT
Okay this wasn't that interesting to me at the time but I thought I heard that the mac mini had been upgrade this year.
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by evildonald July 22, 2008 2:04 AM PDT
My mother-in-law has a really old PC and is lookign to upgrade to something new.. i'm going to get her an EEE desktop.. it's perfect for anyone who isn't a power user. Why pay more when word processing, emails and web surfing is all she needs?
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by make_or_break July 22, 2008 6:01 AM PDT
Since when has the NYTimes reverted back to requiring registration again? Besides, the link you provided works fine without me having to sign in (not that I've had to do so in over a year).

As for micro desktops: if it uses less power and resources and yet still works for what its owner needs it for...why the hell not? It has a tiny footprint and uses a fraction of the materials that a typical "classic" desktop uses in manufacturing. And it's far more transportable when the need arises, and can be locked away far easier if security is a concern. The market will ultimately prove or disprove the concept, so why whine about it now?
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by NorthWakeDad July 22, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
Remember...nobody NEEDS a tiny cell phone either.
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by xpl0itz July 22, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
Cell phones and laptops are made to be portable.
If all cell phone manufacturers think of it that way, we'd all be carrying around bulky, heavy cell phones.
by xpl0itz July 22, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
If all cell phone manufacturers think of it that way, we'd all be carrying around huge, and heavy cell phones. Cell phones are made the be compact, and lightweight.
by jnkyd July 22, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
Hurry up and come out with the EEE box. I've been saving up all summer. 35 watts? yes.

Why even bother with TIVO or even a cable TV box?
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by Arthur Belle Dent July 24, 2008 1:42 AM PDT
As a geek who likes to build his own computers, do mods and kinds of crazy stuff, I want a small cheap form factor.
Small is good. Just like think is good.
Cheap is always good.
The EEE box is about the size of a paperback
We've already installed a Mac Mini and various shuttles in my brother in laws Range Rover, my westfalia camper and my buddy's Honda CRV.
If its around 299$, Ill get one for the kitchen LCD, one for the living room, USB cordless keyboards.
The 200$ range will solidify the computer as an appliance. An impulse buy.
I wanted to get a Mac Mini for the living room but couldnt justify the expense past the minister of finance because the video output from our newer laptop does the job for most of the time.

I ran this scenario by my sons. if we dont buy new Wii games for the next year and Instead use that money for a low cost computer we can hook up in the living room w/ a wireless keyboard, would you be wlling to make that sacrifice? They said yes.

I know this Sophie's Choice scenario proves nothing but as someone who has friends who have shuttles and Mac Minis, smaller, quieter, cheaper using less power can only be a better.

I love the obligatory 'if there was a market for this product Apple would have been paying more attention' angle. All hail Cupertino.
Almost as funny as the low cost netbooks are gonna fail because Apple hasnt bothered entering this new market.
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