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July 9, 2008 5:18 AM PDT

One-third of us copy DVDs

by Dong Ngo

It's software like Nero that makes copying optical media content so easy.

(Credit: Dong Ngo/CNET Networks)

Yeah, I know, it hit me as a surprise too. However, that's one of the findings found in a recent Consumer Home Piracy market research study carried out by Futuresource Consulting and sponsored by Macrovision.

The study was done in May 2008 in the U.S. and the U.K. with the sample size of more than 5,000 people. As it turns out, one-third of all the respondents in both countries admit to having made copies of prerecorded DVDs, on average about 13 titles each, in the last six months, up from just over a quarter of respondents in 2007. At this rate, before you know it, most of us will be copying DVDs.

The survey goes deeper and analyzes other information about the copiers, from their age, the kind of entertainment they would copy, to the method they use to get the job done and so on.

One of the motivations for the study is to find out the reason for the studios' decline in sale revenues of DVDs since the end of 2007. (Though the sale of Blu-ray media already largely offset it). It's interesting, though, the fact that the study didn't ask any questions about the consumers' renting habit (apparently they have to do this in order to make copies), but focus mostly to find out why the consumers would not buy more DVDs. What the studios want us to do is go see the movie in the theater, then rent the movie again to watch it at home, then go buy a Blu-ray copy of it, and while we are at it, buy a DVD copy of it, too. And they seems somewhate reasonable as most of the study's respondents indeed did admit that they would go buy the DVDs if they couldn't copy them.

In conclusion, the study showed that as studios' revenues from DVDs are in decline, protecting revenues is even more vital than 12 months ago. This basically means they don't feel like they are making enough money, and there's no definitive definition to what enough is.

So, who's to blame and what's the solution? I don't know and leave the answer to those who are directly concerned by the matter. If you are one of them, you can get the full report of the study by contacting Macrovison at cmurphy@macrovision.com.

In the meantime, the rest of us, guys, please either stop copying or be not so honest about it when it comes to filling market research questionnaires. Personally, I would rather see you do the former, but that's just because piracy is against the law, not because it has anything to do with me making enough money or not (which I don't, by the way).

Dong Ngo is a CNET editor who covers networking and network storage, and writes about anything else he finds interesting. You can also listen to his podcast at insidecnetlabs.cnet.com. E-mail Dong.
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by markb1967 July 9, 2008 6:45 AM PDT
You know, when you charge 10 bucks for a movie ticket, then want 20 bucks for the DVD a few months later, people are going to get fed up...Maybe they should find a way for people to redeem their movie tickets for a discount on the DVD or Blu-Ray movie. That would be a fairer way to treat the consumer.
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by GadgetDon July 9, 2008 6:46 AM PDT
Nope, I won't stop copying DVDs that I have legally purchased. I don't give those copies out, I'm just ripping them for easier access. Every movie I have in storage was legally bought (either bought through iTunes, or bought on DVD, ripped, and the DVD in storage), they remain for my personal use.
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by reng2005 July 9, 2008 6:55 AM PDT
So what's the big deal? As long as they continue to make money selling DVDs, why worry? When they cease to make money, they'll obviously stop putting movies out in DVD format and the format will die.

The *real* issue here is that these companies aren't making as much money as they would like. Awww, you have my sympathy.

Since DVD copy protection has long been broken, it's silly to cry over spilt milk. Either put your movies out in DVD format, or don't. If you need to generate revenue, look for new opportunities. But stop worrying about the past. DVDs are a done deal.
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by umbrae July 9, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
I bet the study never asked on whether they were coping DVDs they owned which is totally legal. If consumers had the money to challenge the DMCA like the studio spent getting it passed, copying would happen a lot more. The problem is that studios want to you pay for a movie everytime you watch it. If they cannot sell a new copy of an old movie to the same family every year they will never make their profit goals.
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by make_or_break July 12, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
Yet it's not "totally legal" in the U.S., PERIOD, regardless of whether or not you own the original DVD. This is not the same as audio originals like CDs or vinyl; courtesy of the lobbying efforts of the MPAA, protected DVDs were never granted such fair-use rights, at least here in North America.
by shakenbaker July 9, 2008 8:04 AM PDT
There seems to be no middle ground between a fair business model and the consumer's fair use rights. The copyright holders need to be protected, but it's not fair that consumers have to pay multiple time for the same content. You should be able to pay for one movie one time and be able to watch its on all different formats and devices. We should have to pay multiple times for DVD, HD DVD Blu-Ray, iPod, PSP, mobile phones, etc. etc. Until a fair business model is developed, there will always be DVD copy software programs out there like 1 Click DVD Copy and DVDneXtCopy that enable users to rip, convert, burn and copy DVD movies. BTW, all the best DVD best burning programs are listed, ranked, reviewed and compared side-by-side at: http://www.dvdxcopy.com
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by stiv bators July 9, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
People are copying DVDs. What, this is news?
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by Macajuel July 9, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
One other point that I haven't seen mentioned here is that a lot of people burn legitimate copies of DVDs that they own in order to get past all the "crap" that studios stuff onto them. I can't tell you how many times I've just wanted to pop in a DVD to watch a movie only to be bombarded by (often) unskippable previews or lengthy DVD menu animations.

Now when I copy my legally-purchased DVDs with DVDFabPlatinum's "movie only" feature, the movie starts right away without all the bull.
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by penguinfrost December 24, 2008 10:18 AM PST
> a lot of people burn legitimate copies of DVDs

If you burned a copy of a copy-protected DVD, it is not a "legitimate" copy.

One can debate whether or not the law should be written the way it is, but until it is changed, that's simply the way it is.
by mre142 July 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
They say they are not making enough money. Well I am not making enough money either to live comfortably, so I do what I can to continue watching movies.
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by SlurmSlurper July 10, 2008 1:48 AM PDT
"You can get the full report of the study by contacting Macrovison"

Macrovision is a company with an obvious vested interest in copy protection technologies for DVD, so as this survey was sponsored (i.e. paid for) by Macrovision you'd be foolish to ignore the potential for bias.
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by make_or_break July 12, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
That was my immediate thought as soon as I first read that they were the ones responsible for sponsoring this study. It's like the Anti-Virus racket; even if someone by some miracle were to develop the ultimate OS that made all malware past, present and future completely obsolete, Symantec, McAfee, Kaspersky and all the rest would still scream that we are still at risk. It's their gig, and they ain't gonna go quietly.
by chrkeller July 10, 2008 3:55 AM PDT
I rip movies I have bought onto my laptop, so I can watch when I travel and save battery by not having to spin a disk. Bluray disks should come with smaller video files so people can transfer the movie they already bought onto a laptop, ipod and/or psp.
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by RRosal July 10, 2008 5:04 AM PDT
A lot of the copying can also be attributed to people getting frustrated at purchasing a legitimate DVD of a movie and then finding out that a better/deluxe/limited edition/DTS-enhanced version is coming out months later. With the movie industry getting more and more obvious about the double-dipping they're doing to customers, is it any wonder why piracy is so prevalent. There will always be pirates who pirate just to pirate, but a good portiion of those declining sales is due to customers getting tired of getting screwed out of their money constantly. I'm pretty sure that Blu-Ray's will end up suffering the same fate in time as the media is more widely accepted, even with the anti-copying measures that are built into the format.
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by neo2028 July 12, 2008 2:24 PM PDT
Good point. The worst offender is George Lucas with Star Wars. First we had the original VHS version. Then they released the "Special Edition" VHS. Next they released the "Special Edition" DVDs. Now that Lucas has finished the series, I wouldn't be surprised if he released a "premium" package with "10 minutes of newly discovered footage" or some similar gimmick. How many times do I have to pay for a single movie??
by Pard68 July 10, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
After reading this I have the sudden urge to go copy DVDs. While I am at it I will copy some music over. And hey while I am in this totally legal yet startling taboo mood I will go grab MY PURCHASED IPHONE and add it to MY PURCHASED plan over at TMobile. Point is who cares? It is all legal and yet people make a fuss over it. Like saying NEWS FLASH 1 in 3 people have sex!
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by theshoelessone July 10, 2008 6:00 PM PDT
I love to rent my movies for a $1 from the Kroger rental machine, make a copy and return. I call it my extended rental period. The irony of it all is that half of the movies I rent and copy I have yet to watch.
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by theshoelessone July 10, 2008 6:00 PM PDT
I love to rent my movies for a $1 from the Kroger rental machine, make a copy and return. I call it my extended rental period. The irony of it all is that half of the movies I rent and copy I have yet to watch.
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by ianto39 July 10, 2008 8:05 PM PDT
I remember getting this survey and thinking "How dumb would someone have to be to admit in in an online survey, where they have your email address AND your IP address AND your ISP, that you're copying commercial DVDs". You can believe you're anonymous online if you like, you can even believe you're in the right AND can afford to defend yourself if they come after you, but can you really believe the DMCA lets you use software that cracks commercial DVD copyright protection - That's why it's all developed in Russia, Antigua etc.
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by kalel33 July 10, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
Does this spell doom and gloom for blu-ray? Burning DVDs will decrease the quality of the movie and people are still fine with that. We've already seen it in MP3s with itunes horrible compressed music, but people buy it up like candy. The mass market seems content with what they have and I don't see high def movies moving any time soon.
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by jmackowi July 11, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
Consumers want to watch movies when and where they choose. Simply renting DVD does not allow me to watch it on my Zune, for example. I don't rip and burn movies, nor do I share them with anyone else. Studios need to stop complaining that they do not have 100% control of everything anymore. The game has changed. Either change with it or become extinct.
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by robertgknight July 12, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
Most of the time I copy rentals so I can watch later, which allows me to get maximum movies from Zip.ca per month. If I don't like, I throw away. At the price of blank dvd's, this is not a money issue for me. This article failed to address this question as well.
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by neo2028 July 12, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
There are legitimate reasons for copying DVDs. I use a DVD decryption program to rip copy-protected DVDs I own so I can put them on my iPod. Why should I have to pay $10 to iTunes so I can watch a movie on my iPod when I already own the DVD?

I like Blu-Ray very much, but the biggest problem I have with it is that I can' t play the discs at most places I go without lugging around my PS3 (a very big nuisance). So I have no problem with renting the DVD version of a Blu-ray movie (that I OWN) and copying it so that I can actually watch the movie wherever I want. Some movie studios are considering ways that owners of a blu-ray movie can obtain a free digital copy of the movie to play on their computer or iPod. That would be fantastic and I hope they actually follow through on it.

Don't let anyone convince you that DVD decryption programs are illegal. While it's true that those programs can be used for illegitimate purposes, that doesn't mean that there aren't any legitimate uses for them. You can use a web browser to do illegal things. Does that mean web browsers should be banned entirely? Of course not!

The movie studios hate the fact that users have rights when they purchase a video and have tried everything to stop them from being able to exercise those rights. You can't say that users have a certain right but make all ways of exercising that right are illegal. That's like saying that you have a right to Freedom of the Press, but then making printing presses illegal.

it is perfectly legal to make a copy of a movie for yourself (that should also include being able to play the movie on whatever device you choose, such as an iPod IMHO). Unless you distribute those copies, you are NOT breaking the law.
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by conniegarner July 12, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
I am sure that one-third of the tech community copies dvd's. The average citizen would to a lesser extent. Out of say fifty people that I know maybe only 2 or 3 copy dvd's. The numbers for the geek community would be much higher but they are a small percentage of the population. Macrovision is full of it.
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