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April 17, 2008 11:40 AM PDT

Is there a subscription-free DVR available?--Ask the Editors

by John P. Falcone
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CNET reader Mathias notes:

Just a quick note/observation of mine: I can't find any DVR out there that works without a subscription and has a tuner built in for analog and digital over-the-air television signals. This strikes me as absolutely incredible. I am actually considering buying a VCR, assuming I can find one with a digital tuner. What's going on here?


To paraphrase here, it appears that Mathias gets his TV from an antenna (not cable, satellite, or fiber), and simply wants to be able to record his favorite shows with the convenience offered by a DVR with an electronic programming guide. He's also on track by searching for one with a digital tuner, since over-the-air analog TV is scheduled to shut down in February 2009.

Mathias--and plenty of others--doesn't want to pay a monthly subscription fee, so that rules out the otherwise excellent TiVo HD. So what are the alternatives? The answer is: not much. Neither the Archos TV+ nor the forthcoming Hauppauge HD PVR even includes a tuner, relying instead on outputs from a cable or satellite box (and the Archos, at least, does charge a modest subscription fee for the programming guide after the first year, anyway).

How about DVD recorders with hard drives? Here again, the choices are slim. We noted that this category was all but extinct in October 2007, so much so that used models were fetching huge premiums. The only current model we found at the time was the Philips DVDR3575H--but that was pretty underwhelming once we got to review it. For 2008, Philips is keeping what looks like a nearly identical model, the DVDR3576H, in its lineup. But that's the only hard-drive enabled DVD recorder we see on the horizon for 2008. (Things are different in Japan, where Blu-ray recorders with hard drives, while expensive, at least appear to be widely available. Likewise, DVD recorders with hard drives still seem to be widely available in Canada and the U.K.)

So, will Mathias have to make good on his threat to get a VCR? Maybe. Indeed, plenty of DVD recorders now have built-in digital tuners, so they'll work fine--but recording time will be limited to the capacity of one disc at a time (usually 6 to 8 hours maximum). Alternately, he could use his DTV tuner voucher to pick up a nearly free DTV box, and connect that to any VCR or DVD recorder. One would just need to make sure the recorder was equipped with a compatible IR blaster to change channels for timer recordings, however, that could be a tall order.

But there is hope on the horizon. This summer, EchoStar is scheduled to roll out the TR-50. As announced at the January Consumer Electronics Show, the EchoStar TR-50 was designed from the ground up to be a DVR for the antenna crowd, with a built-in digital tuner and the ability to record and play back full HD video. (In fact, the TR-50 looks to be a sort of antenna-only version of the Dish ViP722, which is an excellent DVR in its own right). Unfortunately, final details on the TR-50 remain vague--we still don't know the final price or release date. In fact, there's still no confirmation that it'll be completely free of subscription fees. But for anyone who's not ready to pay TiVo's monthly fee, we think it's at least worth waiting a few more months to see how the final details on the EchoStar TR-50 will shake out.

What do you think? Are you at all interested in a subscription-free DVR? Will the EchoStar TR-50 be worth the wait? Or should folks like Mathias just bite the bullet and get a TiVo? Let us know in the comments.

John P. Falcone covers home theater and network entertainment products. He's been writing for CNET since 2002.
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by boyoboyo April 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
PC + TV Card (HD OTA cards are available) + Snapstream BeyondTV - add a firefly remote and you're laughing. EPG, remote record option (setup recordings from any web browser), automatic compression and lots of other stuff.

MythTV is good too but can require some tinkering... MythTV live CDs are available though.
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by boyoboyo April 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
PC + TV Card (HD OTA cards are available) + Snapstream BeyondTV - add a firefly remote and you're laughing. EPG, remote record option (setup recordings from any web browser), automatic compression and lots of other stuff.

MythTV is good too but can require some tinkering... MythTV live CDs are available though.
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by jpschneid April 17, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
Windows Media Center PC

I have a DELL XPS with XP Media Center, a dual tuner card and 1T of harddrive. I connect the PC to my HDTV with an Xbox360 and a 27" CRT with a Linksys wireless media extender

Guide updates are free over the internet. I currently have it connected to a cable feed, but I see no reason an OTA antenna wouldn't work. I have been considering picking up a USB HD tuner so I can try to record OTA HD.
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by beernick April 17, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
you say that DVD recorders with hard drives are going extinct -- wrong -- sony still makes them( i saw prices from $300-500 -- they are widley used in the corporate AV world-- also haupage makes a usb hd reciever that will work as a dvr for free -- there are many free ways to record a tv signal w/out subscriotion -- you may have to put times and channels in manually -- but that is why they charge a subscription fee
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by samskrta April 17, 2008 1:18 PM PDT
Although free is appealing, I had a MythTV box, Dish DVR, and I currently have Tivo service. No monthly fee was nice, but the Tivo box is worth every penny of the $10.95/month I pay for it. Also, I got it for free by agreeing to a one year contract, and I feel that it was a better value even than my old MythTV box (though MythTV has some really neat features, like web scheduling).
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by dredgerie April 17, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
I've got the phillips and it works fine. Maybe I lucked out better than the review, but I'm completely happy with it. Yes, it is a drawback to have to look up tv schedules off the internet and then make the gruesome walk all the way from my office into the living room, but If you watch the same shows every week, you insert it once for the season, and then it takes care of the rest. It's very simple, and I picked it up at wal-mart of all places for much less than the reviewed price.
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by Zen-Masta April 17, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
I bought an ATI HDTV Wonder card a few years back (tv tunner only ). The software provided works so long as you get a good signal. Their tv guide service is compatible with titan tv so you can schedule your favorite HDTV or non hdtv shows and record them or set reminders. I was able to export video DRM FREE in a small number of formats and resolution sizes. But I usually stuck with the fullsize file when exporting. I used to record my name is earl, snl and 24 in HDTV. I think new version of the card might have DRM. If I remember correctly, I bought mine around april 2005 (maybe 06) and that was because I heard it was going to be the last generation that would be drm free or something. So I'd look into that before buying if you care about drm free. (keep in mind HDTV is about 4GB per HOUR so you'll need tons of HD space, and good software if you plan on converting the mpeg2 into mp4, avi, wmv divx etc. Now-a-days I'm very happy with my Dish HD DVR. I beats TiVO imo because it is a dual satelite tunner with 1 ota tuner so I can simultaneously record 3 shows while watching a previously recorded show.
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by Zen-Masta April 17, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
sorry, I forgot to mention. Aside from the cost of the tuner card (came with small antenna and IR remote) there was no subscription fee or anything for tvguide service.
by PennWritre April 17, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
With just a quick look at Hauppage, I found the WINTV-HVR-1800 Pcie which can receive and record both Atsc HD & Ntsc Tv. Currently for less than $100 on Amazon too.
This seems to fit the requirement.
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by crustycracker April 17, 2008 5:15 PM PDT
Since when can you not use a Tivo without paying the subscription? Even if you don't get the program guide, the Tivo would still be a lot more of a friendly experience than using a VCR. Yeah, there's no EPG, but that's pretty much a given if he's going over the air with no subscription.

I think Tivo without subscription or a computer based dvr would be his best bet.
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by tubagod101 April 17, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
Sony DHG-HDD series. I was looking for the same thing (digital/analog tuners, free program guide, no subscription). Uses the TVGuide system, widely available on OTA and analog cable broadcasts.

They are no longer sold in retailers, but can be found online. I've had mine for 18 months, and have loved every minute of it
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by robby818 April 18, 2008 4:50 PM PDT
The comments regarding a HTPC are helpful but as someone who has built a small HTPC (ATI HDTV Wonder) and a mac mini (el gato eyetv3) I'd say that they are not nearly as user friendly as a dedicated DVR. My eyetv3 + hdhomerun is a slick system but it is still isn't as easy to use as a Tivo or replaytv. I only use it to record HD broadcasts that i want to archive. i don't really like to use it as a way to watch TV on a regular basis.

Tivo has recently offered the TivoHD with lifetime subscriptions for around $700. It's a steep upfront cost but you would probably save money in the long run. I paid $400 for a replaytv with lifetime service 8 years ago, it is still working and I have definitely gotten my moneys worth.
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by grtgrfx April 19, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
I want my TiVo back on DirecTV! I don't care about cable, I like satellite, and TiVo won't play that game!
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by shepsters April 19, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
Would really like to know any thoughts/reasons why this lack of a usdeful produt is the case!
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by brettski1 April 19, 2008 11:52 PM PDT
If and/or when the TR-50, and it requires no subscription, is available I will buy two of 'em. If a subsription is required I will definitely buy a new VCR with an ATSC tuner. And a new antenna. In the present economy I can handle a closed ended purchase, but I cannot add a new recurring cost to the household economy.
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by kevsmail April 20, 2008 11:43 AM PDT
I'm gonna buy one of those TR-50s when they come out! DirecTV is pissing me off with the monthly fee increases and I don't like feeling ripped off. $61.95 for 2 SD non-DVR receivers is crazy.
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by kevsmail April 20, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
Forgot to add, that yes I've seen those deals where people threaten to cancel and then are offered deep discounts on their service, but why should a 10-year subscriber have to play those games after being so loyal? Us low-maintenance subscribers are subsidizing the sweet deals only available to new subscribers!
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by scram69 April 22, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
Congrats on the realization that subscription fees are for losers! Next newsflash: paying for software is for suckers! As for ease-of-use, my 4-year-old can effortlessly navigate MythTV's front end to watch either recorded shows or her DVD collection. My wife can easily schedule all her favorite shows, and never misses a show due to an unlimited capacity for tuners and storage space. Finally, automatic commercial detection and skipping = joy for the entire family.
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by leshsu September 8, 2008 4:54 PM PDT
CNET guys. So when will the EchoStar TR-50 come out? Been waiting to purchase one for some time now?
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by pipe0029 October 31, 2008 8:22 AM PDT
As much as I despise giving more of my money to Comcast I can completely justify paying for their DVR service.

I discontinued my service for a year or so and settled for downloading torrents and watching them through my xbox media center. It's very difficult to match the picture quality that you get through the HD-DVR (which is only about $7 more than the HD box without DVR). Not only did the picture quality suffer on my 52" hdtv but also on my 17" hdtv.

I would love an HTPC but can't justify paying over $400 (for a bottom of the line HTPC).

The $7/month or $96/year seems like a better deal than purchasing a product that will be obsolete in a matter of time.

Somebody please tell me I'm stupid and there is a better, less expensive way (without subscribing to satellite tv-my wife almost divorced me for signing a 2 year DirecTV deal after we lost service every time there was a snowflake outside or a slight drizzle and she couldn't watch her precious CNN)
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by drll101 February 23, 2009 6:24 AM PST
After years of watching cable only, I was amazed at the quality of HD over-the-air programming. I live ~30-40 miles from a major metropolitan area and the quality of the digital HD signals I receive is just as good or better than those Comcast provides. In fact I prefer to watch some channels on the regular TV because Comcast doesn't provide HD feeds of those channels. Someone could make a killing by offering a decent HD DVR with state of the art video processing and large storage capacity without a subscription (including digital TV & cable tuners and HDMI sitching to allow signals from a third source to be recorded as well).
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