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Google pitches Gphones to Verizon

by Marguerite Reardon

Google is pitching its vaunted Gphone to Verizon Wireless, but the odds are still against the search giant striking a major deal with the second largest phone company in the U.S.

The Wall Street Journal and Reuters reported Tuesday evening that Google is in "serious discussions" with Verizon Wireless to put its mobile "GPhone" software on Verizon phones.

For months, people have been speculating about the rumored Google "GPhone." Most people believe that it's not a specific phone, but is more likely an operating system or software that integrates many of Google's mobile services, like Web search, Gmail, Youtube, and Google Maps, onto phones made by existing handset makers. But more than simply integrating Google services onto handsets, the new Google mobile OS is believed to be an open platform on which application developers would have free reign to develop a slew of new applications and services.

The WSJ said in an earlier article published Monday that Asian cell phone makers HTC and LG Electronics will be the first two handset makers to use the software.

But Google-powered phones will be useless unless the company can strike deals with mobile operators to allow them on their networks. T-Mobile USA is rumored to be the first U.S. operator that will sign on with Google. And now the WSJ has said that Verizon Wireless is also in "serious discussions" with Google over using phones that have its new software embedded.

Verizon Communications Chief Operating Officer Denny Strigl admitted on Monday during an investor call that the phone company has been in talks with a lot of companies, including Google. But he didn't elaborate. His comment was in response to a question about the upcoming 700Mhz auction.

Verizon and Google have been publicly squabbling for months over the "open" provisions the Federal Communications Commission adopted as part of the upcoming 700 MHz spectrum. The provisions require winners of the spectrum auction to allow any device to connect to networks using that spectrum. Verizon had filed a lawsuit against the FCC. But last week, it dropped its complaint and said it would no longer appeal the provision.

Despite this change of heart, Verizon Wireless' history indicates that it's still very unlikely the company would agree to offer phones with tons of Google-branded services on an open platform. The reason is very simple. Of all the mobile operators in the U.S., Verizon is the most aggressive in protecting its "walled garden." It has some of the most stringent testing of new phones, and it is very selective about the applications it allows onto its "deck."

What's more, Verizon is also very cautious about allowing other companies to brand services on its network. For example, Verizon Wireless uses a search application from a smaller company on its VCast mobile service, which it brands itself, instead of using a search tool from a bigger company such as Google or Yahoo. And instead of leveraging existing music libraries as its competitor AT&T has done, Verizon has built its own music and video library.

So what could Google and Verizon be talking about? The most likely scenario is that Google is offering Verizon the ability to use its operating system to integrate any applications it wants into its phones. Most of Verizon's phones today are built on either Qualcomm's BREW environment or on a Windows Mobile platform. Google may be offering Verizon a free or very cheap licensing deal to use its software on phones. Verizon could still lock-down the phones if it chooses. This means that the Google-powered phones on a Verizon network might not be "open" at all to consumers or developers.

The new Google software will also supposedly offer integration with advertising platforms. And this is something that Verizon or any mobile operator would likely find very interesting. Today, mobile advertising makes up a small fraction of revenue, but carriers expect to generate a significant amount of revenue from mobile advertising in the future.

At the end of the day, Google's biggest market for the supposed Gphone software may not be with any of the U.S. carriers. Instead, Google will likely find a great upside in aiming its open platform at the developing world where people are much more likely to access the Internet on a cell phone than they are on a PC.

"A Google-software enabled phone makes the most sense in emerging markets," said Charles Golvin, an analyst with Forrester Research. "The next 1 billion to 2 billion cell phone users are going to be people in these markets. And most of them will not own a PC. For Google to grow its Internet audience there, it makes much more sense for them to optimize the Web experience on a phone."

Originally posted at News Blog
Marguerite Reardon has been a CNET News reporter since 2004, covering cell phone services, broadband, citywide Wi-Fi, the Net neutrality debate, as well as the ongoing consolidation of the phone companies. E-mail Maggie.
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Verizon makes phones?
by Galaxy5 October 30, 2007 7:34 PM PDT
""serious discussions"with Verizon Wireless to put its mobile
"GPhone" software on Verizon phones."

In other words, Google is talking with carriers about pre-installing
existing Google phone apps on existing phones.

The technology media is worse than the political media when it
comes to uninformed hyperbole.
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Well, in consideration of Ron Paul...
by MyRightEye October 30, 2007 8:05 PM PDT
I just can't agree with!
umm... yea....
by aSiriusTHoTH October 30, 2007 10:08 PM PDT
Umm.. yea... the articles is saying that Google wants to put their mobile OS on new cell phones released under the Verizon service.

Not that Verizon makes and/or will put them service on existing phones. That was pretty obvious... err... maybe not LOL
They might as well.
by TV James October 31, 2007 9:03 AM PDT
As strict as their guidelines are about how the phone must look and feel, they might as well make them. Pretty much like and number of GE products. Manufactured by other companies but the GE logo goes on it and you deal with GE for repairs and service.
What a farce
by webkruzer1 October 30, 2007 7:40 PM PDT
Why would Google with all their money build their own network? They should but the spectrum on 700 Mhz and then 'allow' the cell phone companies to use it IF.... etc.

I can't wait for the day when all these greedy cellphone companies are gone.

I use Trakfone and pay only a FRACTION of the regular cost at any cell provider. Much more useful and I can even call EUROPE and ASIA for no extra cost! Same as I make a local call.

On the top of all this, I get signals in my house with this cheap Moto flip phone ($ 16.00 walmart) then with my Samsung ($150.00) phone. People should come to their senses and leave these greedy bastards.

BTW Verizon charge CONNECTION and monthly fees on the prepaid. What idiot would use their services like this. If you dont use the phone in a month, they still charge you about $30.00 as with other prepaid.

Check into it.
You will be glad if you want to save money.
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Prepaid Cell Phones
by john55440 October 30, 2007 7:54 PM PDT
T-Mobile prepaid is also very cost-effective for low volume users, with no daily/weekly/monthly fees, and minutes that roll over.
Not quite...
by steves10 October 30, 2007 8:35 PM PDT
Tracfone's lowest rate (after paying for the '1-year' option, and the 'double-minute' option ($140 total) is the same $0.10 as T-Mobile, who does not make you pay for the one-year privilege or impose a charge to get that rate. The ONLY advantage I can see is International calling at the same rate, which IS pretty cool - if your destination and call type (land or cellular) is supported. Too much hocus-pocus in their plan structure for me...
Google Will Make Big Mistake Tying to One Carrier
by partytildawn-20159620461052270 October 30, 2007 7:45 PM PDT
Great! Another new phone designed to screw over American consumers by locking it down to just ONE cell phone provider. Is Google really that insensitive to the market and to consumers? One would've thought that Google of all people would've known how p'd off most Americans are at this trend.
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What are you talking about?
by tehrani625 October 30, 2007 8:25 PM PDT
Google if i'm not crazy is not a hardware company so they arn't making a phone any time soon. They make software and they are offering it up to the providers. Sofare they have t-mobile and now they are going after verizon wirless. I like verizons network because i'm on it but the rest of their services and phones are terrable. Oh and the 2 year contract I'm not teribly crazy about either. I'm locked in till march of 09
T-Mobile
by Renegade Knight October 31, 2007 7:15 AM PDT
If you read the article it said that T Mobile has allready rumored to be on board.

Odds are Google is talking to everone. Who all is willing is another thing. But I for one could not mind an unlocked GSM phone with a Google OS...but it better actually be useful.
by pokaymahn October 11, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
oh yeah? then if you are so mad switch companies ninkapoop
Um....
by angrykeyboarder October 30, 2007 8:40 PM PDT
I'm reading it as Google is talking to Verizon Wireless about installing it's software on *new* Verizon phones (and existing as well).

What's the problem here?
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it is just targetting the mobile search users
by smdali October 30, 2007 9:29 PM PDT
I think Google is just targetting the mobile search users.
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Another locked phone?
by PostNoComments October 30, 2007 10:54 PM PDT
I thought Google was going to learn from Apple's mistake and release an unlocked phone. What a bummer.
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only if
by Kimsh October 31, 2007 1:06 PM PDT
They will if they can still guarentee that you will be locked into their add service. You wont get a choice on who serves up adds to your phone...
You missed the point
by ittesi259 November 1, 2007 1:08 PM PDT
The gPhone, as described in this article is merely a software suite, not a fully functional handset and hardware like the iPhone....if anyone is locking anything after that it would be the manufacturer of the handset and the service provider.
google phones
by ncgenius October 31, 2007 12:03 AM PDT
There is way more history on this than this article covers.Google has been lobbing the FCC for a while to provide airwaves with open plat forms,closer to what the internet provides.Phones(like computers now)would be the portal to those nets and use would be limited only by innovation.Currently phone companies have the abbility to monopolize what we can do with our phones when using the air waves by limiting what sofware and what phones we can use.Google has waffled on whether or not they will bid for the new 700megahertz air waves.The FCC has state these must be open platform use (largely because of Google)so google can either convince current carriers to smell the coffee and open their current networks or bid on the new air waves and enter a whole new branch of the industry.If the current carriers dont wake up they will lose huge customer base to an open platform carrier.I would switch immediately.I could use any phone with any operating system any program software i want.That would be awesome.You could get ringtones,music,video software from any source rather than Verizons over priced limited selection.The newest technology phones would be available immediately rather than waiting a year while Verizon "quality test" them(just an exuse for verizon to limit the phones ability to there sofware only,MONOPOLY)
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Choice is...
by kool_skatkat October 31, 2007 2:00 AM PDT
choice is only good for people who know a lot. For the rest of us, we want somebody like Apple or other to make sure everything works. Don't have time grab applications and make up a phone from various pieces.
Google vs Apple
by kool_skatkat October 31, 2007 1:54 AM PDT
What about at&t... Google on Apple board, and Apple already friends with at&t.
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Vaunted or rumored?
by bryanjbusch October 31, 2007 7:28 AM PDT
How can a company "speak boastfully" about something which exists primarily in rumors?
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Ubiquitous add platform
by Kimsh October 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT
I have to say that as much as I dislike the locked phone thing, I would much rather have that than give the intrusive add machine yet another vector into my life. I already pay for Sattelite radio as I refuse to sit through 10 minutes of adds for 3 songs. Its a quality of life thing really, I would rather hand out more cash and not spend half my life wading through pathetic advertising material.
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Developing countries?
by summershoe November 1, 2007 4:37 AM PDT
I believe japan is the 2nd largest economy in the world and a majority of people there have been accessing the web on mobile devices for years now. The mobile market here is getting left behind because of the business model US carriers have chosen. Google will do fine in the rest of the world and eventually here too
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by pokaymahn October 11, 2009 6:05 PM PDT
google pitches, verizon swings, and its aaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!grand slam
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