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What teens can teach you about tech

by Jasmine France

Last week, I attended a few panels at an SDForum event titled "Generation Tech: Plugging In With Teens," and I learned two things. One, I hate commuting and am perfectly happy to keep spending obscene amounts on rent to live in the city where I work. And two, teens are fascinating creatures. They offer some excellent insights about technology, and not only about what is "in" (though they're a great measure of that). What is most eye-opening is what a testament they are to the exponential progress of technology. The thing is, I wasn't in college all that long ago--I used a computer to write my term papers, owned a cell phone (with a B&W screen), and had a Friendster account. But my friends and I shot photos on film and worked out with Walkmans--the cassette-playing kind. And yet here we are only five years later and these teens and young adults have pockets full of digital electronics. They don't remember that annoying dial-up modem sound--indeed, some of them do most of their e-mailing on a handheld device (namely, Sidekicks and BlackBerries). Their mobiles have color screens, onboard IM clients, and built-in cameras. Not one teen mentioned Friendster, and most thought MySpace is passé. Way to make a girl feel old there, kids.

Two panels at the Generation Tech most captured my attention: one was a high school panel, which I merely observed, and the other was a college student panel, for which I was the moderator. Both panels offered some revealing data--I've included some of the most interesting and/or amusing here.

  • Five out of the six high school panelists would "die" without their cell phones. The sixth preferred not to talk on the phone and paid for just 60 minutes per month for emergencies only. One teen professed that he had lost his phone three times in the past month and waited no more than two days to replace the gadget. In the 24 to 48 hours sans mobile, he felt "completely cut off" from his life.


  • Every student on the high school panel owned an iPod--not an MP3 player, mind you, an iPod. So that's one-hundred percent of this particular population sold on the Apple player--is that a testament to trendiness or quality? Or perhaps both? You decide. I would have loved to get the teens to expound upon their choice but, alas, I wasn't moderating that panel. I was happy enough to note that at least they were using a standalone MP3 player and not listening to music on their phones--too risky, I deduced. What if they drained the battery and couldn't communicate with their peers? Tragedy, no doubt.


  • The college students, on the other hand, listened to music on a variety of devices, including cell/smart phones (notables: the Chocolate and the Slvr) and even--shock of all shocks--a Cowon MP3 player. In fact, I didn't hear one of them mention the iPod, though the iPhone was certainly at the front of their minds.


  • The coolest gadget on the market today? The iPhone, hands down. Never mind that it's not technically on the market yet. The college panelists universally included the iPhone in their answers to not only that question but also one that I posed regarding convergence devices in general. As for what features they'd most like to see combined into one device, the answers varied from e-mailing clients to Web capability (specifically for getting directions and making dinner reservations), but always combined with calling capability. And like anyone, students want improvements to usability as well as enhancements of current features such as battery life.


  • On a phone-related tangent, I asked the college students if they used a landline at all and if so how often. The response: what's a landline? Not really. Actually, most don't bother hooking up a landline at all during the school year (when living with roommates) and instead rely solely on their cell phones. Exceptions included extremely long calls (like to customer service centers) and instances where it was an important call and cell phone reception was unreliable (I believe Cingular and T-Mobile were mentioned).


  • Finally, unabashedly showing my bias, I inquired about music. Did they still buy CDs or did they get all their music online? If so, where? I also asked for their thoughts on DRM. Well--I hate to tell you this, music labels (OK, no I don't)--the majority of the students are getting that "new, hot song" from LimeWire, BitTorrent, and other file sharing sites, mostly due to DRM hassles. They also mentioned really hoping the Apple-EMI DRM-free deal would work out, which leads me to believe they would start taking a more, er, legal approach to their music acquisition if it does.


  • Just as I was opening the panel up to questions from the audience, one of the panelists hit us with an addendum. "Oh yeah," he said, "I also wanted to mention this site called Pandora." He then went into detail about the Music Genome Project and the way the site works (you enter an artist or song name, and Pandora creates a constantly streaming playlist/station of similar-sounding artists or songs). What surprised me was not only the detail he had about the site, but also that every other panelist nodded emphatically and noted that they too listened to the site on a near-daily basis. I had never imagined Pandora had such popularity among the college set. Of course, we're not exactly talking about a highly-varied cross-section of colleges here: the panelists were all Bay Area-based, attending SCU, UCSC, Berkeley, and Stanford. Plus, they were necessarily tech-savvy, given the subject matter of the panel they had been invited to attend. And I feel it necessary to mention that they were also all male.

    Still, this Pandora revelation piqued my curiosity about the digital listening habits of college students in general, and those of the overall CNET readership. So if you feel so inclined, please post a comment describing your own audio inclinations, or even answer any of the questions herein that catch your fancy. Notably: What's the coolest device on the market? What features do you most want to see in one device? What are your feelings on the DRM dealings of late? And, perhaps most importantly, would you "die" without your cell phone?

For more than five years, Jasmine France has covered a variety of tech products for CNET--from scanners to keyboards to GPS devices--but she's happiest where she is now: sitting atop a pile of MP3 players, "testing" every music service known to man, and jamming a variety of earbuds in every shape and color into her absurdly small ears. E-mail Jasmine.
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Awesome Article!
by Kev50027 May 29, 2007 1:52 PM PDT
Wow, I learned a lot from that article, and I'm a college student. I also use Pandora nearly every day, use BitTorrent and Limewire on occasion, though I get some music from eMusic, and rarely from CDs. I own 7+ mp3 players, so I guess I probably don't represent the majority of college students, but I am a big music aficionado, and perhaps even an audiophile.

I am NOT looking forward to the iPhone, it has no 3rd party support, which just ruins it for me. The best part about owning a smartphone is the smart part.. the part that lets me download games and apps that let me use it as a webcam or blog every picture I take, or surf the web faster (Opera).

My favorite mp3 player of the bunch by the way is the Samsung YP-T9.
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You just reminded me!
by Jasmineflower May 29, 2007 2:31 PM PDT
I forgot to include this in the article (or maybe I was having trouble including it eloquently), but one thing the panelists mentioned that they really wanted in a smart phone or convergence device was excellent software--in particular when it comes to using the device as a Web browser--and this included the ability to add on a variety of software from third party vendors, something that the iPhone patently does not allow. In other words, even though they thought the iPhone was "cool," they were disappointed by the inability to customize it to their liking.
Crave does it right
by sethhale May 29, 2007 1:59 PM PDT
Crave! you guys should be doing more of this! you can be the voice of the new generations, but you gotta ask us first what we think! plus it would be nice to have a little market research /trend forecasting /and polling with transparency as well as focused on issues (DRM) and technology that we are using.

Get'r done
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I like this article
by myth90045 May 29, 2007 3:09 PM PDT
Good job. Im always looking for new tech or programs I can use. Though I dont enjoy the freedoms I had at my old job, I could use pandora else where.
As a hot new product coming out, I think it is the re-emergence of the qwerty based cell phones, i.e. blackberries. The always stay connected device. With the release of the pearl, and the subsequent release of the Curve, blackberrys are gathering more steam. Look back a few years, on college campus' sidekicks ruled the land. Now, a more "grown up" feel is coming to play with mostly everyone trading in a side kick for a blackberry. both have the same concepts, but the bb is scene as more mature?

For the iPhone, I cant wait till it comes out. I want one, but I dont. I just want to play with it. I'll wait till the 2nd generation where I can replace the battery when need be without having to go to a Apple store and wait a few days for the battery to be replaced.

But then again, I dont know what I am saying. Its been a long time since I was in college, or connected in some way to today's youth. We shall see what happens in the next month.
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Cellphone depravation
by iamfaker May 30, 2007 4:50 AM PDT
Right now, I am currently stationed overseas (in an area where I can not use my stateside cell) and hate not being able to use my cellphone or communicate with family and friends back home at my will. It's horrbile, and I am dying with out my "lifeline."

Hottest gadget. As much as I hate to say it, it has to be the iPhone. That's where all the buzz is. However, I am not a fan of the device.

As far as music goes, if someone were to introduce a subscription based DRM free music downloading service, I'd subscribe in a heartbeat. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Input from an "Old Guy"
by kchendricks May 30, 2007 6:55 AM PDT
Okay, so I'm not and grand-pa yet, but I am cresting on 39.
First, I agree, this article is great. I'd be interested to see what others from my demographic would have to say.

Me, I came of age during the cassette years. Heck I remember my friend's dad coming back from Japan with the original Walkman. It was amazing. Then came boom-boxes, and I just had to have one of those. By the time I was a college freshman in '86, CD's were just coming into vogue. So, really, that's where I get my music today. I dabbled in Napster, prior to it being a pay-per service. But I listen to entire albums at a pop, so for me, I like CDs.

What I have done is ripped most of my 1000+ CD collection into mp3 files and have them on my Creative Zen Touch. For me, having (nearly) my entire collection in small 3x5x1 box, is wonderful.

I also love Pandora. I listen to it nearly everyday at work and am considering buying a Squeezebox for home.

I second the motion about truly smart smartphones. Browsing, email, camera, full qwerty keyboard - those are critical for me. Not sure if like the Blackberrys. I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Verizon XV6800. iPhone? iCould care less...

I challenge the kids in high school and college to really start thinking about what they could create as the new cool technology. I may be old, but I love my gadgets!
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Good article
by FatalAce May 30, 2007 7:35 AM PDT
I use Opera. I use Launchcast more often that Pandora mainly because I have more than 6000 song reviews on Launchcast. I do not have an iPod. While I think that iPods do have certain advantages (ease of use, price), I believe that there are much more attractive options out there. I like players such as the Cowon A2 and the upcoming iRiver W10. Where do I get my music? The radio, torrents, Launchcast, and about 10 CDs. I'm not really looking forward to the iPhone either. I believe that it will be successful just because of the Apple name brand, but like the iPod, there are/will be several other better options. For cell phones, I just like a simple phone that's preferrably small and thin. I wouldn't use a smart phone to its full capabilities although I do like the Nokia N95. Battery life is probably the most important feature of both cell phones and mp3 players. The cell phone is an important part of my life. I use it to keep in touch with my family and to make quick phone calls to friends. Without it, I wouldn't know what to do. Borrow someone else's? But what if I don't know the number by memory? Use a phone booth? Where are they?
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Weak article
by bubbaboy May 30, 2007 8:39 AM PDT
I'm older than you AND these kids but this article, and nothing about these "focus groups" are unknown to me. Asking what kids want in 1 device is a stupid question since someday "everything" will either be in 1 device anyway, or piped directly into your head! Sure, it's cute to reminisce that these kids don't know what a landline is or that CDs are passé, but who cares? Talking to college and high school kids is an act of stupidity.
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Ruckus over Pandora
by Twitchy2505 May 30, 2007 10:43 AM PDT
I've used Pandora, and its alright. What I've really gotten into is Ruckus. Its a free and legal way to download all of your favorite songs, provided you have a .edu email address. All songs come with a month long DRM subscription, which can very simply be renewed each month.
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Spoiled Much?
by stropyboy May 30, 2007 10:53 PM PDT
I am a sophomore in high school, and I don't have a cell phone because my parents won't pay a bill. They make me pay it, and I don't have any money, so I don't have a cell. Don't get me wrong, they could easily afford it, they just don't want to hand everything to me (by the way, I do have an emergency phone which is just using my dad's bill too so I can use it to get a ride or whatever). Also...I have a dreaded Zune!! I got it for my birthday (my parents payed for 200, I payed for 50).

My point is: maybe people should be a little less reliant on constantly having to text their friends, and pay for a few things themselves.

Oh, and I just threw that Zune thing in there because, well, it's really not that bad of a device! I personally like it BETTER than the iPod (mac fanboys, please don't send me hatemail), and I just think others should try it...
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Forgetting the Disabled and Handicapped...
by treet007 May 31, 2007 5:59 AM PDT
Tech gadgets for teens, or teens really adopting the tech gadgets, are great, but forgetting the disabled and the handicapped teens in this mix is extremely disappointing, to say so politely. May be the new tech gadgets should be available for ALL teens, not just the "normal" ones.
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Due to the nature of the panel.
by Jasmineflower May 31, 2007 11:03 AM PDT
The lack of mentioning the use of technology as it applies to handicapped teens isn't due to any bias or desire to leave anyone out--or even forgetfulness. Rather, it's due to the fact that there were no handicapped or disabled teens serving on the panel, so so it would be inaccurate to make any inferences on their uses of tech gadgets based on the information gathered there. I completely agree that new tech should be available to everyone, regardless of abilities or handicaps. Indeed, exploring the way gadgets are used by or helpful to those with special needs would make a compelling article in and of itself. If you have any personal insight into the matter, I highly encourage you to visit and post in our forums! http://forums.cnet.com/
So what can they teach?
by jonathanklay May 31, 2007 8:03 AM PDT
So what can teens teach you about tech? We never found out... The title should have been "How Teens Use Tech, Briefly". What's missing is the point that teens still act like teens, and adults still don't (generally). I used to yak on the phone all the time, now I don't. I used to have time to mess around with lots of stuff - now I have a job, a house, a family and I can't spend large parts of my days downloading, IMing, and glued to the cell phone. When these kids grow up, they'll change too.
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answering your questions
by Premalies May 31, 2007 12:25 PM PDT
The best for rock and metal would be Hardradio.com.
I've tried Pandora, it's ok I've also tried FineTune also just ok.
Other than buying hard to find used cd's which I put on my Ipod I get my music online.
Waiting for the Iphone to be released,that will be my can't live without item especially with WiMax & gps capabilities.
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Answering your questions
by Fil0403 June 6, 2007 5:01 PM PDT
"What's the coolest device on the market?"

Sony PSP.


"What features do you most want to see in one device?"

Cell phone, game player, MP3 player, photo/video camera, Wi-Fi.


"What are your feelings on the DRM dealings of late?"

Important final step in the right direction.


"(...) would you "die" without your cell phone?"

No, but I would without VoipBuster, which I use to call my abroad-living girlfriend.
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