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April 17, 2007 1:40 PM PDT

100,000 standalone HD DVD players sold in U.S.

by David Carnoy

Is the HD-A2's sub-$400 price tag sparking sales?

(Credit: Toshiba)

Just got an e-mail from the PR firm representing HD DVD, and the North American HD DVD Promotional Group has announced that "sales of dedicated HD DVD consumer electronics players reached more than 100K units sold in the United States, ahead of any other high definition format." I'm not sure why, but that figure doesn't include sales of HD DVD PC drives or the Xbox 360 HD DVD player, which the group says, "are also selling strongly."

I presume that Team HD DVD may not want to compare total HD DVD hardware sales to total Blu-ray hardware sales, which includes sales of PS3 units. But that would be cynical of me. For now let's just applaud the 100K figure, leave it at that, and wait for The Big Lebowski to come out on HD DVD next month. (There was something in the press release about The Complete Matrix Trilogy coming in May from Warner Home Video, but that's not "The One" I'm looking forward to).

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should we really applaud mediocrity ???
by Kokoro-Kun April 17, 2007 2:04 PM PDT
100,000 for 1 years of release is almost unacceptable. It's like applauding Zune for selling 600,000 units.

When Microsoft didn't add HD-DVD drive to its Elite Model, you know it's the end for HD-DVD format.
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Most likely the reason is...
by nyuhsuk April 18, 2007 2:59 AM PDT
I think if MS integrated the HDDVD, they would've gone against what seems to be their strategy for the 360: Keep everything basic and charge an arm and a leg for add-ons...
ummmm....wrong.
by Bulldog9 April 18, 2007 8:07 AM PDT
Microsoft didn't incorporate HD DVD into the unit as the cost would have been too high, as you'd need another unit for the DVD9 games. The PS3 uses BluRay for both gaming and movies, Microsoft uses HD DVD ONLY for movies, not gaming...but you knew that, right?
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RE: should we really apploaud mediocrity ???
by markymarkcirca April 18, 2007 10:31 PM PDT
What?? The Elite model wouldn't have a huge impact on HD DVD sales, and adding an HD DVD drive would increase costs much more. As such, less effective competition with PS3... and Microsoft will still be selling the Premium model along with the Elite!! It would be chaotic to have an add-on drive AND have a more expensive model with the HD DVD drive built in. Microsoft still backs HD DVD, they just don't want to have their products rely on a format they do not know will win.
Don't pay attention to Amazon sales numbers
by dfichtner April 18, 2007 1:29 AM PDT
Not really related, but sort of...

On the one-year anniversary of HDDVD, a popular forum for the format encouraged everyone (and many did) to band together and pre-buy as many HDDVDs as possible, so that they HDDVD sales figures would jump in one day. It worked -- for one day.

It's kind of a desperate attempt to make the format look more accepted than it actually is. You can read about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=818991
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Yeah, but ...
by i_am_still_wade April 18, 2007 5:24 AM PDT
A couple of days after the campaign and the numbers were still higher than Blu-Ray. This despite the fact that there are lots of PS3 out there.
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

Fact is, without the PS3, Blu-Ray would be Dead-Ray. HD DVD is competing on price and is winning. Rumor has it that $100 to $200 players will be out by Christmas. Not a stretch given that you can already purchase a standalone player for less than $300 on-line.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the 5 free movie deal doesn't factor into sales like Sony's PS3 voucher did.
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You have to give HD DVD some credit
by km7 April 18, 2007 8:59 AM PDT
It may be that HD DVD will catch on once people realize they can create an HD DVD with a half hour of HD material on a standard,inexpensive DVD and not on an expensive $20 blank (like blue ray?) These work in set top HD DVD players. Been using them on a regular basis. So far seems to be a big advantage for HD DVD Players. Have not been able to make them work in a Blue Ray Player so far.
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not really Blue ray one ups it here too.
by rpvitiello April 22, 2007 12:48 AM PDT
With blue ray players they support H.264 encoding. Notice the new High Def video camcorders at Circuit City and Best Buy use regular DL small format DVD disc to hold their video? The small discs can hold about 40 minutes of HD video at 720p or 1080i, with 5.1 sound. I would think a standard size DVD would hold about 2 hours of video.
Game console is not a Blu Ray standalone player
by degenerazn April 18, 2007 9:10 AM PDT
Did we include the PS2 as DVD hardware sales??
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Good one, but not relevant
by jimbob2788 April 18, 2007 8:28 PM PDT
...Was there a competitor for the DVD format when the PS2 came out?
Why shouldn't game consoles count?
by BCF1968 April 18, 2007 11:22 AM PDT
"Game console is not a Blu Ray standalone player New!
Did we include the PS2 as DVD hardware sales??
by degenerazn (See profile) - April 18, 2007 9:10 AM PDT "

Last time I checked the PS3 can in fact play Blu-ray movies. So whether you agree with it or not there are MILLIONS of potential buyers or renters for blu-ray movies. Even if only 10% of PS3 owners use the blu-ray player for movies that still outnumbers HD-DVD in all forms COMBINED.

This number will only get bigger as more PS3s are sold( most likely at least 3 million total sold in the US by the end of this year) and as more people get HDTVs and more blu-ray titles come out and the prices drop or rental store start carrying them a higher % of PS3 owners will use the blu-ray player for movies.
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You are very optimistic
by degenerazn April 18, 2007 1:10 PM PDT
First off, 3 million PS3s in the US alone by the end of this year? You need to get back to reality. If you actually follow the sales (Vgchartz.org) PS3 stand at 3.2 million Worldwide and at 1.4 million here in the US. It is HIGHLY unlikely that sales will double in the US by the end of the year. Don't forget, sales of the PS3 are practically frozen everywhere in the world.

Second, you can talk about potential buyers all you want but being a potential doesn't equal hard sales numbers. The fact is the Playstation family has always and will always be a gaming console.
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Cnet at its best
by degenerazn April 18, 2007 1:03 PM PDT
Its funny how news can be spun so many ways. Here we are acknowledging HD-DVD's achievement of reaching 100k standalone players but Cnet makes it sound like its nothing if you take the PS3 into account.

Why are we talking about PS3 and Blu Ray when this article is about HD-DVD reaching 100k?? A couple months ago he talks about not being bias towards Blu Ray and now he releases an article like this. You tried not to be cynical, but you are.

For me I'll congratulate HD-DVD and Toshiba for single handedly beating out Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Philips, and Pioneer standalone players COMBINED.
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Kind of funny...
by usadingo April 19, 2007 8:31 AM PDT
It's showing too. Word has it that Samsung will be releasing a dual-format player (like LG's Super-Blu player) and possibly a stand alone HD DVD player. It's odd that such a superior product like Blu-Ray has it's main support moving towards the other side...
No this is funny
by BCF1968 April 19, 2007 12:10 PM PDT
While HD-DVD touts 100K players, Casino Royal has already sold over 100K copies of it blu-ray format. And we all know that no movie will ever get anywhere near 100% penetration.

Hmmm. I wonder who is goign to win the war?
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HD DVD versus Blu-Ray playback fragility
by SeagoatLeo April 18, 2007 4:43 PM PDT
I was under the impression that HD-DVD discs are 10 times more susceptible to surface problems such as finger prints, marks, mars, etc. compared to DVDs due to their high density, smaller readable pit sizes. I also thought that Blu-Ray discs incorporated the TDK patented diamond disc finish which is so unabrasive that steel wool is needed to cause a misread. Does anyone know the playback fragility of these two formats?
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You have it backwards
by i_am_still_wade April 18, 2007 7:40 PM PDT
Blu-Ray is actually very fragile because the laser is very close to the surface. Of the two, Blu-Ray is the more fragile. Though both are more fragile than DVD.
completly backwards and some
by sfatty420 April 22, 2007 6:46 AM PDT
yes u have it backwards I have a HD-DVD player&wrong-ray sorry blu-ray HD-DVD WILL STILL SCRATCH WITH STEEL WOOL & other stuff they r not fool proof but I trust my 7yr old twins using them but not blu-ray very easy to mess up & now with what blu-ray said could never happened did 51GB HD-DVDS does anyone smell that same smell that we all did in the 80's when something crashed & burned eventhought it was better(betamax) this time thought HD-DVD has the best up to date technolgy not 8yr old like bluray let's hope this time we all don't get screwed & the better discs stay around
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it was 420 on fri
by sfatty420 April 22, 2007 6:55 AM PDT
how many $999.99 blu rays have sold lucky they have ps3 which is tanking & also I happy they used 8 yr old tech. it will just help HD-DVD & don't say the tech is new cause even CNET & all other sites say its out dated tech. why jpeg if they r the future why so ahhhh so 1999 whoa I can subtract I'm going to work for sony cause they can to look ps3 just went down again $ go Wii
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i see many people on here are bias
by airii21 April 22, 2007 10:54 AM PDT
Most people don't understand which format is actually better. When u say that HD-DVD is superior with the fact it holds less information so u have to compress the data stream (lower quality video) to fit the same movie on a disk as blue-ray. You can tell u playing favorites to a inferior tech.
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Wal-Mart HDDVD Player aims to confuse Bluray name?
by dfichtner April 22, 2007 6:23 PM PDT
Here's one for Crave to look into...

This is my hypothesis.

In response to the babelfish-translated article found here:

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

I remembered that in the French discount store, Carrefour, we had "Bluesky" brand players. We had Carrefour here in Korea until late last year, when they sold out and moved out.

Could the Chinese article everyone is referring to mean "Bluesky" instead of "Bluelight" Player? I'll check with my Chinese students when I catch up with them.

[B]Even still, what would the ramifications be for Bluray if Wal-Mart marketed an HD-DVD Player which included the name, "Blue" somewhere in the title?[/B]

Imagine the typical John/Jane Doe shopper, who has heard his friend mention Bluray and High Definition TV, stumbling across a cheap "Bluesky HD-DVD" or "Blue Light HD-DVD" player in Wal-Mart? Or if someone were told what to buy another person for christmas, and they got this by accident?

That could be what's going on here. A wise marketing attempt to get uninformed people to buy their cheap player.

Here is a link to some French site selling regular Bluesky DVD equipment (made in China):

http://www.ciao.fr/Lecteurs_DVD_254216_3-bluesky

[IMG]http://images.ciao.com/ifr/images/products/normal/062/Bluesky_DS_8315__184062.jpg[/IMG]
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