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October 23, 2006 11:35 AM PDT

iPod shunners of the world, unite!

by Jasmine France
No iPod

OK, so perhaps that's a tad melodramatic. It's almost like a call to war, and I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for any bloodshed...especially not my own. But on this, the birthday of the iPod, I've been reminiscing about a previous blog I wrote on why I chose not to use an iPod. More than a year later, I'm still called out for my iPod status--most recently in last week's MP3 Insider podcast--so I've decided it's high time I readdress the issue.

No, I still don't use an iPod in my day-to-day personal life. And I'm still using a Creative MP3 player (currently, the Zen V Plus) that's not compatible with my Mac (blast!). And I feel compelled to say that I'm a bit of a liar: I said in the old post that "the minute Apple offers a color-screen iPod Mini with built-in satellite radio and support for the company's new iTunes To Go service, I'll be the first to hop on the bandwagon, interface issues or not." Nope. Not gonna happen. That sounds like an awesome player and all, but I'm just not an iPod fan. Yes, it's an excellent player: it's easy to use (for most), it's stylish, it sounds good, and there's a lot of great content and accessories for it--heck, I even gave one an Editors' Choice. But just because a product is good for a vast amount of users (79 percent of them, to be exact), doesn't mean it's good for everyone. Let's discuss:

  • No built-in FM tuner: OK, so it's somewhat antiquated technology, but FM radio is still free and easy to get, and it provides another medium through which to discover new music. Plus, I like listening to morning radio shows, and it's a big plus being able to tune into the TVs at the gym. Granted, with Clear Channel Communication's dominance in the Bay Area (don't even get me started), our selection of quality stations is limited, but I still value this feature (hey, at least when I travel to Chicago I can listen to some good radio). I do give Apple some credit for putting out the Radio Remote, but you have to pay $50 extra to get it.


  • No support for subscription music services: Of course, I'd prefer if I could get all the music I wanted DRM-free, but I just don't have time to research, go out and buy CDs, then rip them to my computer. And eMusic is great, but it doesn't have everything I want. Subscription services--especially Rhapsody and Urge--offer exceptional ways to discover new music by providing plenty of content preprogrammed by editors and users alike. Recently, I've been using the SanDisk Sansa e200R, which supports Rhapsody Channels (commercial-free radio, basically) thanks to the excellent Rhapsody DNA interface. It's the best software-MP3 player relationship I've seen since iTunes and the iPod.

  • Personal interface issues: I hate the Click Wheel. That's right, I said it. The circular shape is great for scrolling, but I find the tactile buttons to be imprecise. Plus, it seems like different buttons turn it on and off each time, sometimes from a quick press, other times from pressing and holding--I don't know, I can't keep track. And I have a gripe with the On-the-Go playlist: you can't add a song while you're listening to it from the playback screen, you have to navigate back to the track listing. It's an extra step I prefer not to take. Blame American culture--I need instant gratification.

  • iTunes 7 sucks: I haven't even upgraded to it on my Mac, though I would probably suffer less with it on that platform. It continues to freeze up constantly in Windows.

  • Everybody has one: People constantly call all MP3 players iPods. This drives me batty--admittedly, this probably irritates me an inordinate amount as MP3 players are my job. Or maybe I just have a problem with rage. But at least I restrain myself from correcting them with a smack upside the head. On the rare occasion when I listen to an iPod outside of the office, I try to keep it hidden from sight at all times, else I might be tempted to take this guy's advice.

Well, what do you know? I managed to add more problems to the list this time around. So to those iPod fans out there, I say, bring it on. Is the iPod your dream player? Why? Or, if you're a shunner like me, what's your MP3 player of choice?

Addendum: How could I have forgotten this one? I HATE that you get stuck in the iPod/iTunes buying cycle. Allow me to elaborate briefly: if you purchase songs and videos on iTunes, you must continue to buy iPods if you want to enjoy that content on-the-go (unless you want to go through the time consuming process of burning and re-ripping...and that only works for music). Sure, WMA is all wrapped up in DRM, too, but at least you get to choose from a variety of different devices from different manufacturers. You can start with a Creative Zen, then move on to an iRiver Clix, and, well, you get the idea. Just don't try to throw a Sony player into the mix.

For more than five years, Jasmine France has covered a variety of tech products for CNET--from scanners to keyboards to GPS devices--but she's happiest where she is now: sitting atop a pile of MP3 players, "testing" every music service known to man, and jamming a variety of earbuds in every shape and color into her absurdly small ears. E-mail Jasmine.
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Sandisk Sansa
by ua_eng October 23, 2006 1:36 PM PDT
I'm ordering a Sandisk Sansa e270 really soon. I looked at its features (FM playing/recording, video, picture) and the size (6GB in a package only slightly larger than a nano) and liked how well it's worked out for others. Also, I can order it from Amazon for about $150--$50 cheaper than a 4GB nano.
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go for the gigabeat
by CornerKicks October 23, 2006 1:39 PM PDT
i have to agree with all your points. everyone has one, so its no big deal when you see it anymore, unlike when i whip out my gigabeat s60- the oohs and ahhs come from across the street. and itunes freezes up my computer all the time. so why bother with it when microsoft pmc looks awesome and has subscription services?
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Don't be contrarian!
by Jonathan F October 23, 2006 2:24 PM PDT
While I certainly agree that the iPod is a subjective thing, it sounds like your reasons are almost there to rile up the iPod faithful (disclaimer: I own a 30GB video iPod myself).

I bought an iPod to get away from FM radio, not to hang on to it like a crutch. If you have a sufficiently large collection and subscribe to podcasts, you'll have a fairly healthy mix of the old and new. Few other players manage podcasts nearly as well as the iPod, by the way -- something to keep in mind given how many podcasts CNET has!

I also still can't justify a subscription service (in the Napster style) for my music. I don't like the idea that a large part of entire collection could vanish simply because I grew frustrated with the company, wanted to switch players, or (perish the thought) couldn't justify $15 a month. And what if the music I want isn't in the catalog? I then have to pay extra for the CD anyways.

As for iTunes 7 - yeah, the initial release (at least) was buggy, but it's been surprisingly stable for me on both a Mac (my iPod's home) and a frequently-used Windows PC.

Lastly, the clickwheel. I can't begin to tell you where your opinion is definitely the exception rather than the rule. I've never had a problem with the precision of the buttons on any clickwheel iPod I've tried, including the mini and nano. It's just right. And importantly, it's usually quite easy to operate with one hand. Separate buttons beyond the scrolling mechanism are slightly annoying to me... and greatly annoying when they're not on the front of the player (see: the Toshiba Gigabeat).

I may have an iPod, but I'm not following the herd. I like what I chose and can't see using another player simply because so many of them either don't have features I want or make things unnecessarily complicated.
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Why is everyone so interested in FM radio?...
by douglasmcstewart October 23, 2006 4:18 PM PDT
I hear and read people complain a lot that the iPod doesn't have an FM transmitter and I never understand. I hope where you live the radio is actually good, because where I live it's all Clear Channel drivel. Not only are there literally 7-10 minutes of ads every 30 minutes, but they play the same songs 4 or 5 times per day. And to make it worse, they only play very mainstream songs. Where I live the radio definitely isn't the place to hear new music. Yeah NPR is ok sometimes and there was the pirate radio station, but that got shut down recently in a major bust.
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F.M. = Foul Music
by Lara Jass October 24, 2006 9:34 AM PDT
Why is not having an FM tuner a disadvantage? Clear Channel and Infinity own 90% of the stations and they play the same 8 crappy songs all day long. Unless its XM or Sirius radio, where you more choices, who cares?
FM radio still on MP# players still serve a purpos
by navibern1 October 24, 2006 11:01 AM PDT
FM on MP3 players still serve a purpose
by navibern1 October 24, 2006 11:03 AM PDT
At least for me, it still serves a purpose, I am at the gym daily - it enables me to tune in to whichever television screen I choose to listen to while running for an hour - it does help move the workout quicker.
fm still serves a purpose
by joshmcgrath October 23, 2006 6:33 PM PDT
i had an ipod, and sold it within a month of getting it. I agree, the click weel is good for scrolling, and thats it. Also fm, in my area at least, offers decent programming, and i sometimes get tired of my music, so hearing something new never hurts. Also for downloading i use yahoo music unlimited , which is 10 dollars a month, and i get all i want, its extremely easy and i don't have any problem with the drm. so as far as i'm concerned any wma plays for sure device is a better bet than the ipod. as for me i am looking forward to the zune, either that or a zen vision: m
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You just want to be different
by jboswell2000 October 23, 2006 11:27 PM PDT
And what's wrong with that? Nothing. Just admit it, though. Radio is dead. Renting music is economically absurd. And you can't work the controls? Nobody's buying that one, Columbo. We all know you're WAY smarter than that.

I wish I still had the rebel in me that could give up the look, feel, ease of use, and perfect integration the Ipod offers me, just so I wasn't out there listening to the same thing everyone else is, but I just can't. I guess I'm just getting too old at 31 to care!
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Radio is not Dead
by lavern October 24, 2006 11:39 AM PDT
I for one love to listen to the news on my morning commute. While you may not enjoy FM radio for music you cannot ignore it is nice to have it on a portable player
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Soooo with you about the click-wheel!
by DarkHawke October 24, 2006 4:53 AM PDT
Intuitive, my yaktabeh! Maybe I'm as dim as I look, but it took me two different times trying it in the store to suss that the center of the "wheel" was the Enter key! *** is up with that? And all that thumb-twiddling just to scroll through your tunes? Bogus! Brick-like and out of production though it may be, the thumbstick on my Neuros is a hundredfold more intuitive and ergonomic. I can run the thing almost entirely just by shifting my thumb!

I'm not with you, however, regarding the lack of FM radio. I used to listen to a lot more of it than I do now, but between reception drop-outs during my commutes and the advertising innundation, I found myself more and more playing my own tunes. And now with all the podcasts I listen to, fugeddaboutit! Now an [i][b]AM[/i][/b] radio added into the mix, well now yer talkin'! Plenty of news, talk and sports on the AM band that you can't even get from satellite radio, yet there's only one DAP that has an AM receiver, though it ain't so hot as a DAP.
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Ah, yes, opposable thumbs!
by jboswell2000 October 24, 2006 5:09 AM PDT
I'm sure you aren't as dim as you look (and I don't even know what you look like), but I can't buy that. You can control your MP3 player ALMOST entirely with your thumb? With the clickwheel, it is impractical to use anything BUT your thumb. That's how it is designed. So if you can ALMOST operate yours with your thumb, then the Ipod controls are naturally better. Who holds the Ipod with one hand and then polks at it with the other? Monkeys?
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Confessions of a luddite?
by Shig2k1 October 24, 2006 6:08 AM PDT
Dude... 2 attempts to figure out the enter button? I wouldn't admit that on a tech site!
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This is amazing
by stuffrocks411 October 24, 2006 6:25 AM PDT
The article is the most amount of truth i've read on the net in a while. All the points are very very true and I agree with all of them. Yay for freedom of speech.
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Your speech is definitely free...
by jboswell2000 October 24, 2006 8:01 AM PDT
Wow! Can CNET editors have fanboys/girls? HAHA!
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MP3's sound like crap anyway...
by DaveMcLain October 24, 2006 6:30 AM PDT
I don't have an i-Pod, I don't like the sound of MP3's much at all, yuck. I feel that the technology of compressed audio still leaves a lot to be desired. I don't feel that problems lie so much in perceptual encoding schemes themselves but rather the very steep filtering needed to make them happen.
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No Ipod for me
by chamelean75 October 24, 2006 9:02 AM PDT
I have a Sansa e260. I can't stand the color white anymore, those white ear buds cause so I really do see them everywhere. My cousin's have Creative Players. I know some people don't like radio but I love the radio and I like having it built in. Also, the user interface of the ipod is basic and really ugly. The sansa interface is realy pretty heh.
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2 thumbs up for the Sansa....one thumb sideways fo
by talonexp October 24, 2006 9:03 AM PDT
I also prefer the Sansa E200 series. Thou I wish there were a few more options/devices to connect to...like one to integrate with my Car. The Belkin wireless transmitter just works horribly with the Sansa
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yes yes yes!!!
by chamelean75 October 24, 2006 9:10 AM PDT
A car hook up would be amazing. But I guess it'd be too much to expect one around Christmas time since right now they are promoting the Sansa 200R series. They need more accessories. I say, AC charger for the wall and car charger/connection to play music should be on the top of their list.
try the iRiver
by 5bettyz6 October 24, 2006 9:11 AM PDT
I bought an iRiver transmitter from Best Buy that allows you to use the entire FM bandwidth (not sure if the Belkin does this.) It works great with my Sansa e260R. We have had no problem with this transmitter working well in both urban and rural areas, although we do live in a smaller urban setting with less radio stations than larger cities.

http://www.amazon.com/iRiver-AFT-100-Mobile-Transmitter/dp/B00067LYFW
Sansa for me
by lagniappe October 24, 2006 9:42 AM PDT
I have the Sansa e260r which I use with Rhapsody. I'm not really an iPod shunner. I find them to be beautiful, elegant machines and have considered buying one in the past. I decided to go with the Sansa as I've been a Rhapsody subscriber for over four years and the new player sounded too good to resist. Before this, I actually used an old Sony minidisc that records in real time from any source you can plug it into. I still use it. The Sansa can't match it for sound quality or, believe it or not, looks.
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iRiver for me!
by Deranged Cat October 24, 2006 10:09 AM PDT
yay,i feel at home. I've never gotten an iPod because everyone has one (albeit it's a fantastic product!). But there are some great mp3 players out there tht i wish i could get (iriver clix, samsung k5)... and i dont think i'll ever see myself geting an ipod. nice post, man.

and for the fm tuner.. what's so great? well it's fm radio. sometimes i listen to a radioshow in the morning, sometimes i record it so i can listen to it later.

-wes-
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Love my iPod!
by blkcrow October 24, 2006 10:30 AM PDT
I stopped listening to FM years ago - have too much music of my own to listen to and way TOO many commercials on FM! I love the click wheel. I have a 5G 30GB iPod and listen to it daily. I also run iTunes v.7 on Windows and have no problems with it.
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I agree, until...
by edpannell October 24, 2006 11:36 AM PDT
I am 400% in agreement with you. I am not an Ipod person. I carried a laptop with a 100GB drive to play MP3s and video, before the VPod came out. I thought Itunes always suxd, and the click whell drove me up the all. I bought the Creative Zen Vision and loved it. Until, the first one broke, then the second one... Then Creative had the nerve to tell me that they would no longer support it because it had a scratch on the screen. Two days later, the 80GB Ipod came out. With my head hung low, i admitted defeat and bought one. I still think Ipods sux. Itunes is crap (I use Anapod), and I agree, 50 bills to listen to radio (Not HD Radio, mind you...) is crazy. But i got a ton of videos and Mp3s on it. It works for now. Until the Zune comes out...
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I am not a sheep
by imamoron October 24, 2006 12:25 PM PDT
I love going to yahoo music and downloading massive amounts of music to my creative itouch. Do that on your ipod all you sheep! I guess you can for a buck an itune!
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Yes, but once you stop tithing...
by jboswell2000 October 24, 2006 12:28 PM PDT
The Church of Yahoo will take it all away.
in between
by atomicbomb156 October 24, 2006 1:21 PM PDT
im stuck in the middle. i currently have a nano and just waiting for it to die on me. im stuck trying to decide what to get for my next mp3 player. between flash and hard drive and the companies creative and iriver. and if i cant find a suitable replacement im just gonna go with the updated iPod. its sort of a love hate relationship and im just really stuck.
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try sansa e200 or 200r series
by chamelean75 October 24, 2006 2:53 PM PDT
try sansa e200 or 200r series. i absolutely love mine.
This was a useless article
by Mcot222 October 24, 2006 4:20 PM PDT
First of all, FM radio is avaible for the ipod. Its never going to be built in, get over it. Why would apple waste its time with a dead technology.

if you want fm radio, just get an attachment.. its not hard or costly.

itunes 7 is fine. I belive it had an issue at first release but its been updated and fixed.

itunes and the itunes music store are still THE BEST store and music managment application despite what people at cnet might have to say. Give me one other store and application that are as easy to use and well integrated together as itunes. Whops, you can't. You lose.

Lastly, ipods are NEVER going to play windows DRM files. Why should they? DRM is DIRECTLY in competition with itunes and the itunes music store. Why would you support a competitors product and undermine your own music store. Man you people at cnet are brilliant.

There is no better mp3 player than the ipod period. Others may have more features built in, or cost less, or offer support for DRM, but NONE are built as well, work as well, and NONE even come close to the ipod or itunes user interface.

Apple is god when it comes to industrial design and user interfaces. You can't beat god.
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This was a useless reply
by DarkHawke October 24, 2006 5:23 PM PDT
"Apple is god when it comes to industrial design and user interfaces. You can't beat god." ***? That's just nonsensical on the face of it. Take off your Apple-colored glasses and look at reality for a sec or two. It might be enlightening to you.

Actually, it works FOR Apple to support the Microsoft DRM, if, as they say, Apple is pushing iPod sales, not sales from iTunes. Why wouldn't it help to expand their market? They could funnel the sales/syncing experience through iTunes, much as you can use Windows Media Player to access a variety of music stores. Supporting DRMed WMAs would effectively kill the Zune before it even comes out, not to mention increasing Apple's already dominant market share. Unless Apple actually IS making out well from iTunes, which they've repeatedly denied, then it would make perfect sense not to dilute one's market.

And I submit that no matter who your personal god is (sheeesh!), folks can differ as to what DAP works best for them and functions better than others. This kind of outrageous dismissal of someone else's opinion, on the most bizarre religious grounds I've ever heard, makes your post of far less use than Jasmine's article.
Give me a break!
by migafre October 24, 2006 11:02 PM PDT
Like others said FM is NOT dead and I would not call $50 to add FM to a 250$ player cheap.

Secondly, before talking about DRM as being a direct compitition to iTunes do a bit od RESEARCH you numbnut. DRM is DIgital Rights Management and your precious, oh so precious Ipods *.aac format is wraped with DRM. Thus the term protected aac. What you think people ment by that? That they have bodyguards? Every song you buy from iTunes is protect.

You're just another one of those MACkasses.
Don't like iPod at all
by rohitharsh October 24, 2006 5:16 PM PDT
Once I used to love iPod. But one day I realized how Apple has fooled people into believing that subscription music is bad. I want subscription service. It allows me to try out all sort of music.
I am waiting for Zune. Could have gone with Creative or Toshiba but I think it will be better supported. And I will go for Zune subscription. And in case it does not work...big deal. I will just move on and go for Real subscription and creative or Toshiba device and I will have all the songs again. Not tied down to stupid iPod.

Rohit
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This was a useless comment
by dkarchon October 24, 2006 5:25 PM PDT
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I pressed enter a tad bit early: Anyways..
by dkarchon October 24, 2006 5:35 PM PDT
I'm not against iPods [that much] but I digress..

FM is available for the iPod but I don't want to add more wires and bulk to the player AND pay 50 extra bucks for it! Excluding FM inside the ipod itself shouldnt drive costs up noticably anyways; they're reaping insane profits per ipod!

FM is not dead technology; with the advent of HD radio, normal FM stations will still be playing (Hence normal FM recievers would still usable). Also there are a multitude of people who still use FM radio now anyways such as store owners or average folk who don't need XM/HD Radio.

Also, if you read correctly, the writer wasn't complaining about using DRM on iPod's but rather having no variety of players to use with the music you buy in the iTMS. Once you buy a song from the iTMS, you're stuck unless you go through a big hassle of burning it unto CD then ripping it (and with lower quality than a CD).

There are players better than the iPod, period. I used to think iPods were of good quality but after some of my friends had their iPods crap out on them (2 5th gens, 2 nanos) and other people on forums complaining; they're just as lemon and accident prone as other reputable makers like creative, iriver, sandisk etc.

Can't argue with iPod's design, they do put a lot fo thought and care into the experience, Heck I even like the iTMS but would never use it. Still let's not forget how the advertising company that makes the various iPod adverts rip off others.. (The eminem commerical comes to mind).

that is all
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