November 2, 2009 11:30 AM PST

Laptop bargains: So you only have $350 to spend...

by Scott Stein
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Just the other day here at the CNET N.Y. offices, a co-worker IMed me with a question from his uncle, who was shopping for an affordable laptop for his niece. Should he consider buying a laptop he saw on sale recently, which had a large screen and a DVD burner, for only $350?

I had a feeling the laptop in question was similar to the Toshiba L455-S5975, and it turns out I was basically right. For ultracheap laptop bargains, there are two ways to go: buy a small, cheap Netbook, or go with a full-size low-end laptop sporting a processor such as an Intel Celeron 900.

Either way, you're not getting a lot of processing power. To get something more significant, you need to climb up to around $500 and go with either a dual-core thin-and-light or a cheap Core 2 Duo or equivalent laptop, such as the Toshiba Satellite T135-S1309 (we reviewed the similarly configured but more expensive T135-S1310 here).

For around $300, though, 10-inch Netbooks like the Dell Mini 10v provide nice portability and design, but lack an optical disc drive or a full-size keyboard/screen, and tend to have less RAM and smaller hard drives.

The Toshiba Satellite L455-S5975, which we reviewed as part of our holiday retail laptop roundup, falls in the other camp. It has a bright, large 15.6-inch screen, a full-size tapered keyboard, and a DVD-burning drive. It also has a decent amount of hard drive space at 250GB.

But that's where the advantages end. With an underpowered single-horsepower Celeron, it can't achieve most of what you'd like a big-screen laptop to do in the first place, such as play back high-quality full-screen streaming video. It also lacks a Webcam, something many Netbooks have, which is nice for students who use webchat or Skype (although a USB plug-in can also do the trick). Most importantly, however, its battery life ran at under two hours, which is worse than any Netbook.

For portability and battery life, a Netbook is still the better choice. But if you really need that optical drive and feel like you can't live without a really large screen (in other words, you're looking to plant this on your desk and not travel much), something like the L455-S5975 might be a decent second computer for a household looking to save a little cash. But if it were us, we'd save a couple hundred more and go with something that doesn't look like it escaped from the year 2000. At least you can rest easy that everything comes with Windows 7 now, Netbooks included.

Read the rest of our Toshiba L455-S5975 review.

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Scott Stein, a New York Jets fan and CNET senior associate editor, has written about tech, entertainment, video games, and viral culture for outlets including Laptop, Wired, Maxim, Esquire Online, Asylum, and Men's Journal. He also appears on the Digital City podcast. In his spare time, you might see him performing improv in New York City (when he's not being a dad).
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by dgden November 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST
Or dear Scott, you can actually give a better advice to you co-worker and his uncle by suggesting they shop around a bit for an actual deal on a good system, one that can actually be considered a bargain.

I for example recently purchased a Compaq CQ60-420US with 2.00GHz Intel Dual-Core T4200, 15.6 LCD Screen, Dual-Layer DVD burner, 3GB of RAM, 250GB drive, WiFi, SD card reader...all for $380 bucks at Staples after $30 easy online rebate.

Now that's a bargain as the system looks good and has enough juice and memory for most of the tasks that the niece could possibly want.

Now that's a bargain and similar are frequently available, just need a bit of patience and some good advice. ;-)
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by BigGuns149 November 3, 2009 7:10 PM PST
The T4200 definitely blows away a Celeron 900, but that isn't saying much.
by ScottStein8 November 4, 2009 7:35 AM PST
That is a good deal. Simply put, just don't go for the Celeron offering.
by Bertbaby November 2, 2009 12:14 PM PST
Got my Compaq CQ60-420US with 2.00GHz Intel Dual-Core T4200 for $349 after the rebate. Ordered it online and shipped to the house free by Staples. It's fine for office productivity, got a free Windows 7 upgrade (by the way performance is snappy with Win 7) and Compaq's repair record is admirable as well. My last 4 year old Compaq Presario went to the kid. At that price laptops are disposable yet powerful. I could care less about a webcam!
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by dgden November 2, 2009 2:24 PM PST
I think we are talking the same purchase here. I just gave a price of $380 after taxes :)
by ibn_turab November 2, 2009 12:20 PM PST
You guys need to shop at the right places. Yesterday I was at Microcenter and they had several for $300 or less. One was
eMachines® eME627-5082 --$299
* AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor TF-20
* 2GB DDR2-667 RAM
* 160GB 5,400RPM Hard Drive
* 8x SuperMulti Double Layer DVD±RW Drive
* 5-in-1 Digital Media Card Reader
* ATI Radeon(tm) HD 3200
* 10/100 Network
* 802.11b/g Wi-Fi CERTIFIED®
* 15.6" HD Widescreen XGA High-Brightness Display
* Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
* Black

Another was

eMachines® eMD620-5133 --$279
* AMD Athlon 2650e Processor
* 2GB DDR2 RAM
* 160GB Serial ATA II Hard Drive
* Super Multi 8x DVD Double-Layer Drive
* ATI Radeon X1200
* 10/100 Network
* 802.11b/g Wi-Fi CERTIFIED®
* 14.1" Widescreen XGA High-Brightness Display
* Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic
* Black

There was also and acer with dual core amd processoer which i couldn't find in their advertising that was $300 , i believe it had teh amd athlon 64 tf-20 proceesser, 3gb ram, 250 gb hd.
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by dgden November 2, 2009 2:35 PM PST
Dude, you need to do some research on the processors before you make a decision on which one is a better buy.

Both AMD procs you have listed don't even come close to T4200.

Check out here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Proc CPU Score CPU Rank
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Pentium Dual-Core T4200 @ 2.00GHz 1222 262
AMD Athlon TF-20 389 580
AMD Athlon 2650e 407 560
by adamsidiali November 2, 2009 1:01 PM PST
Dell has some pretty good prices on their basic notebooks. Theyre not the best when it comes to processing or battery, but they are definitely worth the price. You can get a nice basic one for around $349....
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by jakemochas November 2, 2009 9:06 PM PST
best buy sells the inspiron 15 for $420...
2 gigs of ram
windows 7
160 gig hD
some sort of pentium processor

not a bad computer at all
by shadymoin November 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST
Why would any one in this day and age buy a freaking celeron processor laptop? Unless they truly do not know anything about computers!? I can't believe Intel still sells this junk and gets away with it. I tried netbooks but I didn't like it, I like speed and power even on the move! The future really is better battery management and more and more juice, not under powered chips that are frustrating as hell!
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by bluemist9999 November 4, 2009 10:32 AM PST
Not everyone needs speed and power in their computers, any more than everyone needs a car that can go, say, 150 MPH.

While I do need the speed and power as a software developer, one of my close friends has a Netbook with the Atom processor, and it meets her needs perfectly (I talked to her beforehand and told her what it could and could not do). She is a casual user and just goes online, browses the Web, sends emails, sometimes writes a document or two.

I think it's great that there are so many choices available, as long as people get clearly told what each machine can and can't do.
by Lerianis3 November 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST
If you are just going to be MILD picture processing, web surfing, MILD online gaming, etc.... yes, a 350 dollar laptop will meet your needs. HOWEVER, for anything more than that, you would be better to go with a 1000-1200 dollar laptop from either Gateway or Toshiba, or any laptop in that price range with DISCRETE GRAPHICS that is at least a 9800GT from NVidia.

shadymoin also makes a good point.... there is NO reason why a computer in this day and age should only get 1 hour of battery life, unless you are using the discrete graphics at full power. It should get anywhere from 3-5 hours of battery life, at least without using the full power of the discrete graphics.

The biggest 'energy waster' today is the discrete graphics cards in the higher-end laptops, and for no good reason in most cases.
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by BigGuns149 November 3, 2009 7:19 PM PST
I agree with you that a $350 laptop is a bit constrained whereas processing power and will quickly feel limiting if one's interests aren't fairly basic. That being said I think that the 9800GT is a bit overkill for most users. By your own admission high end dedicated graphics chipsets are serious drains on the battery life. The Geforce 9400M isn't too shabby to be honest for most users and for save for the most finicky user the 9600GT is probably good enough.
by jonathan_a November 2, 2009 2:30 PM PST
If all you wanna do is Internet, watch movies, listen to music and maybe even play a few old generation games (maybe even World of Warcraft with lowest settings?) then this is actually a pretty good deal.

But I personally would never buy one. For $350, I'd buy a Netbook any day!!! I LOVE portability, the tiny keyboard does not bother me at all, and the processors are perfect for Internet, music, movies and even some old games or WoW with lowest settings. But that's just me. There are people out there that find Netbooks too small, and sometimes bigger is better... for them!
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by windooor7 November 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST
@ibn_turab You are, a good window shopper. A good laptop starts with a good HD video(ATI/AMD (3200). why? a Good HD video is bulit on a good motherboard. which has to be powered by a good processor(AMD Athlon(tm).. AVOID intel/Window vista if you are on a low budget. and finaly avoid (intel celoron).
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by Absolution2009 November 2, 2009 3:24 PM PST
There's a laptop for around that price with a pretty good setup, 256 mb video ram 4gb ddr2 etc. for about $429.99 on amazon. Or, you can go for MSI Wind 8) Now that's a great laptop
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by bousozoku November 2, 2009 8:25 PM PST
My mum has an HP notebook computer that cost about $350 with tax. It has a Pentium dual-core (usually in lower cost machines) along with a 1280x800 15.4 inch display.

It's not a horrible machine at all. A netbook might have been a good alternative but is it the right choice for someone who isn't 16-30 years old and doesn't like inconvenience? She'd probably find it easier to watch a DVD using the computer than trying to remember how the DVD player by her t.v. set works.

For people who want to mess a bit more with things, a netbook seems just fine.
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by gary85739 November 2, 2009 8:32 PM PST
Look at REFURB's from most of the big makers.
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by jakemochas November 2, 2009 9:07 PM PST
dell.com/outlet has AMAZING DISCOUNTS
by mike_dfw_geek November 3, 2009 12:48 AM PST
I agree with the above comments that there are great deals out there especially from Dell's Outlet store. My dell mini 9 (RIP, cause dell axed the line) with the intel atom gets like 3hours with it's battery with a builtin 3g module ran me 325$ 'refurbished'. I just got my brother a t4200 based dell 1545 for around 400 with 3gigs of ram, webcam builtin and a 320~gig HDD. The machines that are refurbished look BRAND NEW. Overall, people can talk about Apple prices dropping but you can get the same performance or better for 1/2 the price with linux installed on a PC why pay more???
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by douggdangger November 3, 2009 10:14 AM PST
"by shadymoin November 2, 2009 2:01 PM PST
Why would any one in this day and age buy a freaking celeron processor laptop? Unless they truly do not know anything about computers!? I can't believe Intel still sells this junk and gets away with it. "

Today's Celeron CPUs are FAR FAR more powerful than ones several years ago. They are basically a Conroe Core with less cache.

Core Celerons are fast and use very little power which makes them perfect for laptops. I'm sure people would love a Core2 with a buttload of cache and as fast as a desktop. But you wouldn't be able to buy them anywhere near $350.

A $350 Celeron laptop is perfect for web browsing, office documents and watching Youtube videos (which is what most people use laptops for). If you need the power of a Core2 or even Quad cores to do your video editing and gaming and you're looking at $350 laptops... you need a reality check bud.
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by thedementedboy November 3, 2009 6:58 PM PST
no bud, you need a reality check. who would ever use a SINGLE core celeron in this day and age? we're not talking about the new dual core celerons, but the old single cores. and even if anyone was considering a cheap laptop, amd's have always done better with 3d, they cost less, and they perform better because they aren't crippled by an L2 cache the size of a pentium 2. check please.
by Kongar November 3, 2009 9:57 PM PST
my girlfriend just bought a Toshiba T 135 (the one with the dual core proc). its great in most ways except the horsepower. okay, yes, it does get sick battery life (8ish hours) but its a bit frustrating for me. maybe fine for her cuz she doesnt know better but it makes me nuts. just not quick and responsive. and on the other hand its 3.7 or so pounds. still, I find it reprehensible that it even COMES with a single core pos in one of the models - that processor that slows it to a crawl (read the two reviews about the different models on cnet). ***? how can Intel even produce such garbage. see what happens when there is no competition? (AMD is not real competition in mobile computing - sadly). her new lappy is impressive in pretty much every other area. I really wish (for her sake) that it came with more power. opening up progs and switching and just getting around is too sluggish and it will get to her eventually. I dont know enough about windows 7 to know if its safe to turn off services (i assume similar to XP but not certain) but you hate to have to even worry about that on a new macheen. one of these days someone is going to come up with some new battery tech that is going to triple the juice we can get in a typical battery and become a baquillionaire. can't wait!!
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by ScottStein8 November 4, 2009 7:37 AM PST
Good thing you got the dual-core...the single-core T135 is terrible. The dual-core Pentium is slower than other Core 2 Duo and Core 2 ULV processors, but it performs far, far better than a Celeron.
by Lourp November 4, 2009 6:40 AM PST
You can do a lot with a $350 laptop, as long as what you're running on it is not a processor hog. If you want a second computer around the house--one that's portable, but that you don't necessarily take with you wherever you go--then a cheap laptop is a great investment. I recently bought a nice Acer with Windows 7 and am extremely happy. All we need it to do is run Excel and Word, access the Internet for basic browsing, online shopping, etc. (not gaming), and for this it works great. Look at what you're using your desktop for mainly, and then decide if you need the extra power in a laptop.
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by douggdangger November 4, 2009 9:04 AM PST
"by thedementedboy November 3, 2009 6:58 PM PST
no bud, you need a reality check. who would ever use a SINGLE core celeron in this day and age? "

Wrong bud, pull your head out of your arse. Single core Conroe Celerons give AMD cpus a run for their money.

You need to quit being an AMD fanboy and accept reality. I loved AMD during the Athlon vs Pentium 4 days because AMDs were better. Today, Intel just pimp slaps AMD every chance it gets. Intel's Conroe chips urinate anything in AMD's arsenal. AMD has nothing even close to Intel's i7.

I loved AMD when they were trying hard and produced something better. Today, they're just sitting on their thumbs watching Intel just zoom past by them.
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by asifsid November 16, 2009 12:46 PM PST
check out http://www.pccounter.net for some great deals,discounts & coupons on laptop computers, you can get brand new laptop for less than $300
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