October 23, 2009 5:03 PM PDT

PC vs. Mac now vs. PC and Mac then

by Matt Hickey
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In one of Apple's latest TV ads featuring the omnipresent Mac (Justin Long) and PC (John Hodgman), we see PC going retro. It's actually a cute ad as PC regresses back in time with various incarnations of himself through the years, each time promising that a particular version of Windows won't suck. "Trust me," he says. Sure thing, PC. And nice wig.

But since we're going retro, maybe we should look at a few of Apple's ads from around the time PC and Mac apparently met (according to the ad): the '90s.

For those who don't remember Apple's advertisements from then, I offer a collection of some of the most sucktastic ads Apple has ever had (remember Think Different? Yeah, me too). Enjoy them. You can thank me later.

First up: The 20th anniversary Macintosh. Remember this one? The computer cost more than some cars at the time and was woefully underpowered. But it was the first Apple desktop to come with an LCD screen, so that's, you know, something.

Here, Apple says, "You see, if you're not like anyone else (you're not!) then you should use a computer that's not like anything else. Can you see our logic? It's plain! Buy a Mac!" Or something. I was never sure what the point of these was.

But of course the flagship Mac was the PowerBook. At the time, notebooks were blowing up. To create interest in its product, Apple's PowerBook ads featured copy touting how the MacOS was easier to use than Windows. This ad may have helped some Mac users feel more sure of their anti-Windows ways.

But then Apple started losing the OS wars. In the mid-'90s, Apple introduced a series of Macs with a DOS card. The DOS card allowed the Mac to run both MacOS and Windows. This was to expand its market to the "it's not compatible" crowd. Of course, Apple still said MacOS was better, but in this ad, the Mac's ability to run both OSes is highlighted directly.

I remember Mac enthusiasts were upset with that commercial, seeing it as the first sign Apple might throw in the towel and start making expensive PCs. A machine running Windows is not a Mac, they said. There were even rumors that the next Macs would run Windows-only, something that kept some diehards up late. But it was the next ad that really caused concern on message boards and bulletin board services.

There it is, their worst fears confirmed: a Mac is shown, but as far as the OS goes, it's only Windows, including the Windows 95 MSDOS icon. So looking back at this transition and then looking at the above ad we have to wonder: what would a Mac and PC ad have looked like back in the day when Apple was pushing the Mac's ability to run Windows?

I'm guessing it would look very different indeed.

With more than 15 years experience testing hardware (and being obsessed with it), Crave freelance writer Matt Hickey can tell the good gadgets from the great. He also has a keen eye for future technology trends. Matt has blogged for publications including TechCrunch, CrunchGear, and most recently, Gizmodo. E-mail Matt.
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 23, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
haha Seinfeld in an apple ad.
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by Jodyek October 23, 2009 6:16 PM PDT
This is so funny because most everyone I know that has a mac today is running windows as a virtual OS on it. As an IBM AIX / UNIX engineer I would only be interested in a mac if it still had an IBM PowerPC processor in it. Have you seen the advancments IBM has made in the microprocessor industry? I'm just saying.
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by SkateNY October 24, 2009 12:22 AM PDT
What's so funny to you about people running Windows on a Mac? That people can do more with a mach than a Windows machine?

Too often, stupidity is mistaken for humor. One needs to be smart to be funny.
by JuggerNaut October 24, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
IBM is the reason Apple dropped PowerPC for Intel. IBM only cares about the embedded and server space (as well as game consoles)!
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 24, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
IBM has an incredible architecture that has performance no one can beat. but their processors are more tuned towards high end and more powerful machines rather than PCs.
by frantaylor October 24, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
Well, laptop shipment exceeded desktop shipments last year, and there are no PowerPC chips suitable for laptops so Apple would have been really dumb to stick to PowerPC.

Why don't you post the list of PowerPC apps that are portable between AIX and OSX? Here I will do if for you:

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by B-Ri October 24, 2009 7:14 PM PDT
@SkateNY Do you realize that the only reason Macs can run Windows is because MS isn't as strict about allowing it on whatever hardware you want. Apple actively seeks to stop people from putting OS X on other hardware. Personally I think it would be kind of cool to have any OS as an option on all PCs. I know you can do the whole Hackintosh thing or take a chance with Psystar but it'd be nice to eliminate those hassles.
by frozenjello October 23, 2009 6:25 PM PDT
"Windows 2"? I guess I'm too young to remember that. I think it would have been funnier if PC guy said "Windows 3.1" because everyone remembers that craptastic OS. For example, minimize a window, and you would wonder where it went, because there was no taskbar.
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by MrZook October 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
I think they did that on purpose because just about NOBODY remembers Windows 2.
by Seaspray0 October 24, 2009 6:03 PM PDT
@frozenjello. You've never used 3.1, so you have no basis to judge it as "craptastic". If you had used it, you would have known that minimizing a window reduced it to an icon on the desktop. Your are just another troll making up BS.
by deniceels October 26, 2009 3:06 AM PDT
I guess he probably forgot even where the icon was last placed, thus doesn't remember that the old mac also didn't some with taskbar.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png/180px-Apple_Macintosh_Desktop.png
by frozenjello October 26, 2009 9:02 AM PDT
@Seaspray. I used 3.1 during my college years in the early 90's. Perhaps you were a power user then, but I was a relatively new computer user, and I found the interface confusing. It wasn't until Windows 95 that I found the interface to make sense, and I have been a PC guy ever since. So, no I wasn't trolling. I think it is funny that anyone would defend 3.1, though.
by deniceels October 26, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
hmm, i was in middle school and, Win3.11 for Workgroups interface was fine for me. Subjective, but hey, MacOS itself hasn't changed much in interface and layout since their very first OS on Macintosh/Lisa.
by X-sync November 15, 2009 10:15 AM PST
Wait minute. I used to really enjoy windows. For me Windows 3.1 was awesome back then.
by Cruton502 October 23, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
Thanks for that travel back in time!
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by rohit_j October 23, 2009 8:15 PM PDT
I did not know Apple has been around this long! And while its Mickey Mouse generated as much media excitement as a major OS release, its perplexing that it has a measly 3% market share after all these years of hype.
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by seven7dust October 24, 2009 12:17 AM PDT
Actually thats 3% marketshare of high end hardware,
cause Apple sells whole 1000$ computers, not 20$ O.S packs !

BMW Mercedes and Lexus combined have a lower marketshare in the car market than Apple does !
ya sure Apple could reduce prices and therby profits to increase market share but thats stupid !
by CrashPad63 October 24, 2009 5:39 AM PDT
Seven a billion users of Windows in this world and counting. Mac has 3% of that! Dont try and be a history revisionist.
by JuggerNaut October 24, 2009 8:23 AM PDT
@CrashPad63

Ummm... computers in general didn't reach a billion users till a few years ago, so I highly doubt there are 7 billion computer users (in general) now!
by SunnyGuy53 October 24, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
Sure and the brain is a measly 3% of the body weight in some people -- but you wouldn't do very well without it. That's what the dinosaurs might have said about the mammals at an early point -- "they're just a measly 3% of our number."

The race is not always to the swift ... well, actually it is. It just takes time to play out. Follow the money.

Sunny Guy
by dk12rk October 24, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
@SunnyGuy53
So does the colon, but its only full of ****.
by dasium October 24, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
There aren't seven billion people on Earth yet. Also, not all PCs run Windows. Most people I know strictly run other operating systems on their PCs, although I'm sure that's not the norm.
by ckurowic October 24, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
err...Apple has 10% marketshare now....
by Seaspray0 October 24, 2009 6:13 PM PDT
"...after all these years of hype." Certainly more hype from thier fanboys than apple. Just look at the percentage of posts they do on cnet. Strong koolaid.
by TehSupport October 24, 2009 6:26 PM PDT
yeah, but if most of the computer users are like our family, there are several MS based machines in the house.

How many Apple users are using multiple machines??? How could they afford that in this economy? Could they build a Mac from scratch like you can a windows machine?
by Ray180 October 26, 2009 5:25 AM PDT
You don't need 7 billion people to have 7 billion computers running 7 billions OS's since most people have their own computer at home and a computer that is assigned to only them at work. I'm just sayin...
by davidmcelroy_dotmac October 23, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
I agree that in the days before Jobs returned to Apple in 1997, most of Apple's advertising was pretty bad. But the idea that the "Think Different" campaign was hard to understand is quite bizarre to me. It was very clear what Apple was saying. Apple (Jobs, really) was saying, "People who are willing to buck the tide of the masses and think in different ways tend to be the ones who change the world. That's what we stand for. If you'd like to be one of those folks, get on board with us. We're your ally." After years of Apple's message being totally muddled, this was the key focusing message -- to say what the company was going to stand for. Apparently, it doesn't make sense to some people, but for MANY people I know, that was a very powerful ad -- that connected us with Apple in an important way -- because we had a strong desire to see ourselves as one of those people who might change the world by thinking different. Yes, we knew on a conscious level that using a Mac wasn't going to make us geniuses, but the connection is a heck of a lot more accurate (and obvious) than people buying Air Jordan shoes in order to be like Michael Jordan.

BTW, the 30-second version of the Think Different spot that you're using here was only used briefly during the campaign. In fact, it might have only been used on the night of the last Seinfeld episode, but I'm not sure of that. The full 60-second version (without Seinfeld) is the one that launched the campaign. It's here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oAB83Z1ydE
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by ZetaZeta_ October 24, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
I think it's cute that the concept of "Think Different" is lost on the new Justin Long commercial, where, as you travel back in time, PC is ever-changing while the Mac's appearance (in that commercial) is stagnant.

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by sdf0013 October 24, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
The problem with Apple's entire campaign idea, and with anything based a non-conformity kind of movement, is that the non-conformist always want people to "buck the tide [/trend]" and non-conform the same way; thus creating a new conformity: Apple. You could translate "Think Different" into "Think like us" and in terms of a business you'd get the same result: Just buy Apple.

Heh.. The one that really killed me was the Mac commercial that went into the future. The two are still there many years later; and it seems like nothing has changed. So, umm. That means Mac still hasn't "won the war" and that it in fact still has a small % of the market. At least, that's what it kinda looked like to me.
by wright_gage October 23, 2009 8:56 PM PDT
What? I remember when the Mac vs PC ads first started airing they used to be good and clever, but now the formula is overused and they have ceased to give good reasons why "Mac is the God machine." The way they make it sound, any Windows OS comes bundled with adware, viruses, and spyware (other than Genuine Advantage), and Macs never have any problems. My friend's Macbook's hard drive has failed 3 times in the 2 years that he has had it, and I'm sure by now everyone knows about the Guest Account wiping out all of the data bug in Snow Leopard. In short, Apple is as full of crap as Microsoft.
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by myles taylor October 23, 2009 11:11 PM PDT
Okay I use a Mac and work at an authorized Apple service department, but I like to give fair play due when due.

Your friend's Macbook's harddrive? For starters, made by seagate or western digital. The same harddrives as in every laptop. Harddrives fail. It happens. Until we can switch over to solid state drives, it's going to keep happening. Has nothing to do with it being a Mac.

Secondly, the whole snow leopard thing wiping out user data has been blown way out of proportion. Yea it really sucks for the people it happened to and Apple needs to do something about it. However, I check out tons of machines a day (somewhere between 20-40) and deal with tons of support issues and I haven't encountered this yet. It's a very small percentage. Give credit where credit is due.
by CrashPad63 October 24, 2009 5:41 AM PDT
Myles you digress, people pay for the "quality" of Mac's, that includes the controlling by mister Jobsy himself of hardware specs and production. You failed on this one.
by polaris20 October 24, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
Only a fool thinks a hard drive failure is the fault of the OS or computer manufacturer. Drives fail on all makes, that's why you back up your data routinely. You do back up your data, right?

I've had two drive failures this month in HP servers. Does that mean HP makes crappy servers and Windows Server sucks? Obviously not.
by frantaylor October 24, 2009 5:09 PM PDT
I find it incredible that people who think they have the math chops to use a computer are so dismally aware of statistics. How you can take a single failure out of millions of systems and use it to make a value judgement is just beyond me.
by Seaspray0 October 24, 2009 6:22 PM PDT
Wake up, crashpad. Most of the components come from 3rd party vendors... the same ones used in PC's. The "quality" claim doesn't fly when you use the same parts.
by ahzdeen October 28, 2009 4:35 PM PDT
@seaspray

That's the point. People are paying for "quality" but are paying for the same parts.
by myles taylor October 23, 2009 11:12 PM PDT
Yea, the commercial was funny, but not the most accurate. Also, if that is the case, what Apple is saying is that Windows might as well just give up now because even if they produce a great OS, you can't trust them because of their track record.

I love Macs, but I recognize that it's a Windows world out there and I'm excited in the improvements of Windows 7.
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by sdf0013 October 24, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
If Apple won and there was no Windows, would Apple still be as cool? Would Jobs still be as driven to innovate? Capitalistic history suggests the answer should be "probably not." Then again, the same history would also suggest that a different competitor would arise and threaten to be cooler than Apple. This is all my speculation, but it's pretty common historical themes through out time.
by Januss331 October 23, 2009 11:28 PM PDT
Amusing, like most of those commercials. I actually like the Windows ones too-although the Laptop hunter ones got on MY NERVES. The best were with Gates and Seinfeld. Oh classic.

Anywho-for those haters (on both sides) remember this: there are plenty of CHEAP shots on both sides! Some say this is a cheap shot against Windows. Ok. But *** for tat, there is a WHOLE FAMILY GUY show coming up devoted to Windows 7! Equally crazy.

Just take a step back and BREATH. Please! You're not personally involved in this all-so why hate? Windows and Macs have their places in the world-wherever they might be. Go industry competition!
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by kayanlau October 24, 2009 12:10 AM PDT
@Myles Taylor: We understand that you love Macs but as an employee of the "authorized Apple service department" you should know better. Almost all the hardware inside a Mac is from third-party hardware makers, including aforementioned HDDs. Unless Apple decides to make both its hardware and software entirely in-house (which will be costly) then you can't defend Apple in such a manner. It doesn't matter if the MacBook changes to a SDD, the average mean time to failure may be longer, but it will eventually fail - then who will you blame? Are you then going to start blaming China for making those parts that fail on a Mac?

And even if somehow Apple makes all parts in-house, will there be flaws in the design and manufacturing process? Of course it will. Can't avoid that. So .. yes, no matter what, Macs will fail eventually, just like Windows machines.

The choice was Apple's to include such hardware because the company deemed that it had acceptable quality standards and cost to purchase, not because it is perfect. We recognize that Apple accepts that responsibility, that's why there is AppleCare.

About the Max OS. A flaw is a flaw. The fact that the MacOS sends and continue to send out updates and patches (some critical, some not) already indicates the OS is imperfect. Having said that, no OS will ever be perfect.

So, no perfect hardware, no perfect software. No perfect Macs, no perfect PCs.

See this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2917 ... titled "Pwn2Own 2009: Safari/MacBook falls in seconds." I wonder if the MacOS X is the majority of OSes used in the world, would the tables have been turned? Would Windows *seem* less hackable because of it? What do you say?

Let's not forget that the fact that a Mac can run Windows already indicates that underneath it's beautiful unibody design, all this machine hardware is is merely a PC. And you can do that the other way around .. that's why there are what people call Hackintosh. It's no different. Apple only uses a limited set of off-the-shelf hardware to make their products and run its OS, that's all. It may make support easier, but I see nothing special about it.

I'll only give credit to Apple for it's marketing ads. They are quite smart. Windows? Not so much. But then if anyone is depending on ads to help them decide their next computer purchase, we cannot help them.
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by Seaspray0 October 24, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
I'll stand by Miles Taylor's comments. I know he loves mac's, but I've not known him to color his comments. He posts what he sees as both good and bad about the products he works with, and he posts truthfully. And as someone who was once his counterpoint on the PC side (former Dell tech), I can vouch for his knowledge on the subject based on a multitude of his remarks. He may be mac and I may be PC, but there are some lines that are common between people who work with computers every day.
by TrustAvidity October 24, 2009 12:13 AM PDT
Til this day, as great as Apple claims Macs to be, they still have a very small percentage. There are a couple reasons I believe this is.

1) Gaming - They need to back game developers to make more Mac versions.
2) System Building - Remove the idiotic law about only running OSX legally on Macs.
3) Apple Tax - If you remove Windows from a PC and OSX from a Mac with identical specs, they should cost the same.

Gaming, ignoring the system building population and having the Apple tax are the three largest factors, in my opinion, as to why Apple controls such a small percentage of the market.
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
apple business strategy is to offer a computer that is unique. apple makes money selling hardware so they want people to buy their computers. the os makes the package more appealing.
by frantaylor October 24, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
"Apple controls such a small percentage of the market."

First quarter Apple Sales: $10.17 billion
First-quarter Microsoft Sales: $13.7 billion

At this rate Apple will be a bigger company than Microsoft in a year or two.
by Agent Duke October 24, 2009 5:52 PM PDT
frantaylor,

You are ignoring that we're talking about OS market here. You can't count Microsoft's XBOX sales nor Apple's IPODs (nor their computers themselves for that matter). You are comparing their entire portfolio in comparison with their revenue.

They have a long way to go before taking over share of the OS market...if you took just those revenue numbers apart from everything else you'd have quite a different number.
by Seaspray0 October 24, 2009 9:13 PM PDT
@frantaylor. Sales of what, though? Apple is in more than one market, and the share of each one is different. The market trustavidity refers to is the computer market since it references the mac. If the post references mp3 players, then the market share is very different.
by techtroincs October 25, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
Apple will never allow or at least not without najor control allow OS X on anything other then Apple hardware. Its how Apple can have the genius bar and so forth because they control the hardware so they can better take care of issues.

Why do you need to always build your own PC? The issue with that seems so illogical. WHo do i turn to for help when someone messes up? No one because you have no manufacturer you built it yourself.

Gaming. That is what you have game systems for. Computers are not gaming machines. And since you can run windows on a Mac what game cant you run?

Apple Tax. NO they should not. Why does apple have to sell a cheap computer? That is why they have money and Dell and others are struggling right now to get by. ALso Apple puts allot of RND and so forth into their computers. How hard is it to slap together some plastic pieces that look like they were recycled from something else and thrown together. I have an old gateway that is several years old. It is no uglier then the PC laptops made today. In other words Dell and so forth never innovate they just update the internal parts and the outside stays pretty much the same with some minor changes.

APple is very close in price and especially considering i never have to pay for virus or malware software or spend time updating drivers and cleaning viruses off my computer.
I dont ever worry about the headlines that say dont access banking records on a PC and all the other stuff because they do not apply to Mac users.

Apple is growing every year they sell more and more computers. And if you include all installs of OSX then you would have to include the Touch and the iPhone.

The Touch and the iPhone are instances where for once people dont say oh i cant buy that its made by apple. They like it so they buy it. And Apple owns the MP3 industry and is taking over the Mobile phone industry.
by TrustAvidity October 25, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
"Why do you always need to build your own computer?"
A - I don't. I own a laptop which I didn't build.
B - For desktops I do because I can get exactly what I want for less money than accepting their's for a higher cost.
C - I've actually had higher stability in my custom computers than manufactured ones I've dealt with.

"I never have to pay for virus or malware software or spend time updating drivers and cleaning viruses off my computer."
Neither do I. There are plenty of quality free security software available. Even Steve Jobs recommends security software over what's built into Snow Leopard so Mac's need it too. I don't waste time removing viruses and malware because I'm not stupid about my computer. Drivers should be updated regardless of the type of computer you run.

If you include all installs of OSX on iPods and iPhones then you need to include all installs of Windows Mobile as well, therefore roughly equaling it out anyway.

When it comes to cosmetics, you are right in terms of Dell and such building ugly computers. Looking at the bigger picture, PCs have a lot higher variety to own something eye-pleasing. Case windows, internal lights, liquid cooling, fans with LEDS, LCD thermostats, etc.

As for boot camp, it's a great concept and a great feature. I'd run both Windows & OSX on my desktop if I could legally do so. The only thing that bothers me about this is that Apple is being MAJORLY hypocritcal about it all. Watch their PC vs Mac ads. "Windows sucks but you can run it on a Mac!!" is pretty much what they're saying. They're bashing something and using it to support their product at the same time.

Last but not least, gaming. Try telling ATI and nVidia that PCs aren't gaming machines. See what response you get. That argument would be used left and right if the tables would be turned. Look at top selling video games of all time. The top 2 are WoW and Sims. Both computer games. Luckily Mac has them too. Don't try saying PCs aren't gaming machines.
by seven7dust October 24, 2009 12:25 AM PDT
here's the thing Mac ads are Funny , may be not all of them ,but quite a few of them are
and this is a great way to advertise , cause people tend to remember funny ads

also these ads are targeting the average user , not Cnet commentors
you know like the ones who have no idea what upgrading a O.S means
or what Drivers and Virus definitions are
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by Sweiver October 24, 2009 12:27 AM PDT
Matt Hickey wrote "So looking back at this transition and then looking at the above ad we have to wonder: what would a Mac and PC ad have looked like back in the day when Apple was pushing the Mac's ability to run Windows?

I'm guessing it would look very different indeed."

Or ... very much the same?

Mac vs PC - Touche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHK1xiuO740
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by RussellWhiting October 24, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
Considering Apple's, "Think Different" campaign: a montage with an oddly diverse collection of human icons with culturally well known, glamorization, or historic notability. The one binding characteristic all of these icons have in common: none every came to prominence via any use of any computers. (Save maybe Jerry Seinfeld; sometimes, there was an original boxy Macintosh visible on the set of Jerry's apartment in his popular sitcom . . . did it actually work? Was there ever an episode with him using it?) These ads must have been quite effective on the impressible masses that spend hours before a television with their mouths hanging open. Think: for yourself.
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by Mac User Too October 24, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
As for the 20th Anniversary Mac; compare it with ANY PC available then. It was way ahead of it's time. Apple has consistently shown the way for the rest of the PC industry, especially Windows. The examples are more numerous than I care to list here, but you all know what I'm talking about. There would be no Windows without the Mac OS, no all-in-one PCs without iMac and its predecessors, no touch-screen phones without the iPhone, no mice, ultra-thin laptops, Zune, etc. Apple drives this industry and the rest are forever playing catch-up. There is (apparently) a very large portion of the market that is happy with the PC worlds retreads. That's fine, but, please, just enjoy your experience, when you can, and, in your spare time, try to get a life.
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by deniceels October 26, 2009 3:37 AM PDT
There would be no Mac without Xerox,

no iPhone without Palm, Sony, SonyE PDA phones Nokia,
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p800-326.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p900-544.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p910-846.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_7700-570.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_7710-921.php

no ipods without Creative, Sony, Panasonic, Aiwa...especially Sony for creating Walkman... the ORIGINAL portable player.
by JuggerNaut October 24, 2009 8:25 AM PDT
Mac, the most compatible computer you'll ever need!
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
True
by slapppy October 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
Yep. I can run almost any OS on it. Windows XP Pro just for those monopoly perpetuating ActiveX/ShrarePoint sites. All at the same time nowadays. Sweet.
by moneyshot7 October 24, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
Apple can say what it wants about Windows, but it's Windows that brought widespread viability to Macs outside of their consistent niche fan base. The ability to dual boot a Mac with Windows is really what has revived interest in their computers. Apple is brilliant though by branching out with successful phones and mp3 players. Apple has always made quality products, just like Honda has. Honda isn't the only reliable car maker out there though, but don't tell that to a Honda fanatic.
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by candide08 October 24, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
Apple's 'closed' system gave it better control and, to some extent, better quality control. However it also limited its audience - forcing higher prices.

Apple should concentrate on the OS, not computer hardware in order to really compete vs M$.
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by HyraxX October 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
Apple is making a profit. Sounds like a win to me.
by Agent Duke October 24, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
HyraxX,

They really only starting pickup up lately with the issues with Vista. Take history before that time and it's a different matter. Make no mistake, they are very worried about Windows7 deflating their recent profit bubble.
by kenalexruss October 24, 2009 5:19 PM PDT
The funny thing is that people take so personally something as irrelevant as underarm deodorant primacy. Who cares? Windows and Mac care! How funny they can easily elicit and count on the brainless support for their junk among the idiots of the planet. Next we'll have soda pop wars ( Coke vs Pepsi), fast-food wars (McDonald's vs Burger King) and discount retailer wars (Walmart vs Target). Honestly people, grow up already! They both suck ass big time, and so do most of you! My Motto - "People Suck" and when they don't suck, they will soon or have sucked recently.
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by FtLMale October 24, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
Sometimes in the battle between Windows and Apple, it is important to remember that the competition between them is what drives the innovation and improvement. Without either of them, we would all suffer. Thus I continue to bless them both and hope they each forever continue to battle it out for our hard earned dollars.
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