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October 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT

Amazon stops selling Sprint-powered Kindle

by David Carnoy
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Just weeks after announcing a new $279 international version of its Kindle e-book reader, Amazon has chopped $20 off its price and made that model its only Kindle offering for both the domestic U.S. and international markets. In the process, the company has eliminated the U.S. version of the device, which used Sprint as the carrier for the Kindle's built-in wireless capabilities. Now, for better or worse, new Kindles will tap into AT&T's data network, which will also be the wireless provider behind Barnes & Noble's upcoming Nook e-book reader.

For those who bought the international version in recent weeks, Amazon is crediting buyers with a $20 refund. Here's the note it sent out to customers:

Good news! Due to strong customer demand for our newest Kindle with U.S. and international wireless, we are consolidating our family of 6-inch Kindles. As part of this consolidation, we are lowering the price of the Kindle you just purchased from $279 down to $259. You don't need to do anything to get the lower price--we are automatically issuing you a $20 refund. This refund should be processed in the next few days and will appear as a credit on your next billing statement.

If you bought U.S domestic version in recent days, you should get the AT&T-powered version. (We're looking into whether you can return an earlier U.S. Kindle for the newer model if you bought the U.S. one in the last 30 days).

For now anyway Amazon is not totally ditching Sprint. Drew Herdener, Amazon.com's director of communications, confirmed that the Kindle DX will continue to use Sprint's data network (no international version of the DX has been announced) and no Sprint-powered Kindle devices will have their wireless cut off.

As for reports that the Web browser is not available in the international Kindle, they may not be completely accurate. According to Engadget, Gadget Lab is reporting that you can get to the English version of Wikipedia, which leaves some hope that Amazon may open the browser to other sites. When we get the official word on what the new Kindle's browsing capabilities will be, we'll update this post.

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Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by Januss331 October 22, 2009 11:35 AM PDT
Sounds like the Nook announcement made for a hasty cut to match the price...
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by JoeF2 October 22, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
Too little, too late.
As long as they don't remove the remote kill switch, I won't buy a Kindle.
In fact, I just pre-ordered a Nook.
by sodapop2k9 October 22, 2009 1:05 PM PDT
My mom (70) has been using the Kindle for about a year and loves it. No problems. She loves it.

@ JoeF2 - If you are hoping for a wireless media device without remote control over remotely obtained content, don't hold your breath... And why would you even imagine the Nook would not have the same - or worse - control features? LOL, naive.
by L33tLuXX0rz October 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
Definitely have to agree. They should have announced it earlier, though for the same price as the nook, the nook has a better feature set.
by JoeF2 October 22, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
@sodapop2k9:
The Nook is based on an Open Source system, Android. That pretty much guarantees that there is no hidden stuff there, and a remote killswitch, if it existed, could be disabled fairly easily.
It is obviously YOU who is the naive person.
by xxyl October 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT
Anything based on Android is automatically completely open and transparent? If you can 'lend' books with a fixed time limit, obviously there is a way to control which books are available and when.

By JoeF2's logic, it's okay to enter your credit card info on any web site that runs on Linux, since it's open source and therefore trustworthy.
by make_or_break October 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT
@xxyl,
Ouch...
by ShakataGaNai October 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
@JoeF2 First off, the Kindle is Linux powered, in fact due to the rules in GPL, they have to release what they've tinkered with: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200203720

Second. Just because it is partially Open Source, doesn't mean you can't have "hidden stuff". They can compile their own code in there that you'll NEVER see, and it could do _anything_.

Third, Nook is gonna have a kill switch too, I'm willing to put good money on it. Who doesn't have a kill switch in their devices these days? I can't think of anything. Hell, Firefox has a killswitch in it.
by JoeF2 October 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
@xxyl:
That's really low on the troll scale.

If you give me access to the computer that stores your credit card, I can of course get the number, Open Source or not.

Every heard of "jailbreaking"? If it can be done on a proprietary system like the iPhone, it can be done much easier on a system that uses an Open Source OS. Get an education about these things.
It is pointless to have a remote kill switch in something that's based on Open Source.
Have fun with Big Brother in the Kindle...
by JoeF2 October 22, 2009 10:54 PM PDT
@ShakataGaNai

First off, if they indeed use Linux, they would be violating the GPL, because their license agreement at http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200399690 prohibits things that the GPL allows, e.g., modifying, creating derivative works, etc. They can only prohibit that for their own proprietary software, not for GPL software.
Second, they can only have things hidden that are not derived from the Linux kernel. Anything that requires the kernel to run, including dynamically loaded kernel modules, are derived works and need to be public.
Third, care to explain what the "Firefox kill switch" is? Firefox calls home, but it doesn't have a kill switch.
Forth, I take your bet... Your post shows that you don't have all that much clue about Open Source stuff...
by InkyRed October 23, 2009 1:35 AM PDT
Joe ftw cuz the other guys quit..
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by rmva October 22, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
"AT&T's data network"

Is that an upgrade or a downgrade?
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by October 22, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
Downgrade, without a doubt.
by blueshore October 22, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
CDMA vs GSM... tough call.
by sharmajunior October 22, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
I think they both are the same
by cp256 October 22, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Serious downgrade. No Kindle in my future, that's for sure. I won't touch anything that locks you into that bunch of thieves.
by Firehazel October 22, 2009 3:54 PM PDT
they should have both gone with Verizon.
by Darr247 October 22, 2009 8:25 PM PDT
by sharmajunior October 22, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
I think they both are the same
====================================

Compare their coverage maps and you might come to a different conclusion.
http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=data
Well, unless you live in an area well-covered by both and never intend to travel with your eReader. THEN I think ATT currently has an advantage since the HSDPA branch of GSM is faster than the EV-DO revA evolution of CDMA (Sprint and Verizon are both upgrading their EV-DO networks to LTE, though, which will be faster than HSDPA). But if you travel a lot (say, reading while carpooling, et cetera) and want new content while on the go (has the NYT and WSJ got onboard to sell subscription content via eBook?), Sprint has better coverage; GSM (HSDPA/HSPA) *is* currently the dominant standard in Europe, though.

(On Sprint's map you have to manually select Data from the horizontal picklists on the right side, by the way...otherwise you're comparing pomes and citrus.)
by Eludium-Q36 October 23, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
It's nothing against Sprint. Amzn wanted to go international and that means GSM so it's either add a GSM radio to the Kindle or replace the CDMA radio with GSM. They obviously went with the latter so they had to either choose ATT or T-Mob. You're going to hear people screaming about the lack of ATT coverage when they're out of a metro area, that's Amzn's fault-of-decision though.
by jbaer15 October 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
Darr247

I am pretty sure Sprint will be using Clearwire/WiMax for their G4 and GSM companies will use LTE.

Long-Term Evolution

An effort to develop advanced wireless mobile radio technology that will succeed current 3G WCDMA/HSDPA/HSUPA technology.

Although "LTE" is not the name of the standard itself, it is often used that way. The actual standard is called 3GPP Release 8.

LTE is considered by many to be a "4G" technology, both because it is faster than 3G, and because it uses an "all-IP" architecture where everything (including voice) is handled as data, similar to the Internet.
by sharmajunior October 26, 2009 12:35 AM PDT
@ dar247

the reason why i was implying that both AT&T's network (Now) and Sprint's network suck is because I have tried both of them. AT&T in my area, has the signal bars going up and down like an equilizer on a music system. on the other hand Sprint's network is non-existant. LOL...only T-mobile has decent coverage but I chose to go with Verizon after paying a hefty cancellation fee to AT&T and now I barely go below 4 bars. The most I saw was a dip to the 3rd bar and no dropped calls. Once a friend of mine sent me a SMS and I got it the next day on AT&T's network..He was asking for help, so much for help after 24 hours...
by solu1978 October 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
Bad move by Amazon? I hate AT&T?s service. I was thinking about getting one. I will now wait for another option
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by Gefunk October 22, 2009 12:02 PM PDT
You are exactly right that the Nook is scaring Amazon with pricing. I can not say which is better however, Amazon knows that they do not have a physical store that people can walk into and touch their e-reader so their next iteration needs to be a show stopper. I have a Kindle 2s version and I love the thing but, do I like the figures the Nook is bringing to the table? Hell yeah, competition in this market is great and will lead to a more unified and better product overall.
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by sodapop2k9 October 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
There is a network of people who will let you test drive their Kindle. Great community behind it. Google-it.
by Januss331 October 22, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
Hah, I agree with you JoeF2. I also preordered mine and I also agree that ATT 3G service area is "meh" at best. BUT, with Wifi support it's kinda null for me. I can't imagine too many moments when I'm out in the road saying "I NEED this book right now." I'll just go to a physical store and buy it from their wifi connection..
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by CupertinoBill October 22, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
Nook-e reader? what kind of name is that. Was Poon Tang Tome name taken? I can't imagine telling people I have a nookie reader. Hilarious name.
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by Trey71 October 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
This is too funny - made my date after a root canal ...... Thanks for the laugh!
by Proud_Geek October 22, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
Oh that was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard about it on NPR. Then I watched a news clip about the new e-reader, and I could tell the lady newscaster was trying to keep a straight face!

Why not just come out and call it the Vajainer E-Book reader, LOL

B&N needs to hire a new marketing department!
by Firehazel October 22, 2009 3:56 PM PDT
... lol. just funny. Imagine if some high schooler had one. At my school, he'd never live it down!
by Januss331 October 22, 2009 6:36 PM PDT
@Firehazel wouldn't he just be playing with nookie all day? I thought that was praise in high school.. :P
by James30154 October 22, 2009 8:37 PM PDT
It's nook as in book nook-a quiet place to read.
by dbargen October 22, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
No we know who is going to be really busy upping their wireless data networks.
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by neowolfwitch October 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
Bad move, Amazon. I was on the fence about buying a Kindle, now I'll wait for the Nook. AT&T's network is a joke, and I don't want them to get any of my money (directly or indirectly). They should just put a SIM slot in it and give me a discount for using my own carrier.
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by kris240376 October 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
The nook also uses AT&T's network for delivery...
by sodapop2k9 October 22, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
Think about the cost. If the iPhone's data plan is $360 per year, just imagine what you would pay over the lifetime of the e-reader. Free wifi for life, even if you hate the carrier, is still a good deal.
by rnaoncfixd October 23, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Yeah, but the nook also uses wifi. Something that is much faster than than either Sprint or At&T's 3G services.
by szettervall October 22, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
Its a book reader, I am sure it will download content from AT&T just fine. It isn't like you need the network to read your downloaded content.

I will guess most of the people claiming they aren't going to buy a Kindle because of this weren't going to buy a Kindle anyways. These people simply need a sense of empowerment.
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by claystorm October 22, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
Some of us (ok, a lot of us due to crappy ATT 3g cover) live in areas where ATT 3g coverage just flat out sucks. If you live back east, then its fine, but come out west, like New Mexico, Colorado, Texas and you will find, once you leave the few metro areas around, there is no 3g to be had anywhere, and thus no books.

Where I live, Sprints 3g coverage is much better. When I buy a ebook reader, I will probably go for the nook, just cus it also has wifi built in.
by svgtom October 23, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
The Nook's wifi can only be used in a B&N store, making it pretty much useless. Apparently the purpose is to stream content and offers to the Nook while you're in the store, as well as read entire (selected) books while you're there.
by Wild_D October 23, 2009 7:18 AM PDT
@svgtom:
The tech specs ( http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/features/techspecs/ ) and product comparison pages ( http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/compare/ ) offered by B&N say nothing of the nook being only able to access a B&N wireless network and not a home network.

Source as to where you heard this information from?
by svgtom October 23, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
There was apparently some misinformation intially released about the wifi. See here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ratcliffe/?p=434&tag=rbxccnbzd1

and here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ratcliffe/?p=446&tag=col1;post-434

It seems you can use the wifi anywhere.
by -fjtorres- October 22, 2009 1:06 PM PDT
Uh, the US Kindle was $259 *before* the Nook (US-only) was announced.
The price Amazon cut was the price of the international version. So the only Nook aspect is that if and when B&N goes International, they'll be facing a $259 (or lower Kindle).

Anybody looking a for a Nook-ish reaction from Amazon should focus instead on their announcement of Kindle Reader for Windows, which checks-off one of Nook's speaking points; the availability of their DRM'ed ebooks on PC.
Competition is good; let'em smack each other around a bit...
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by SEXYDIVERGUY October 22, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
So Its roaming charges everywhere "international" anyway right? Yes there is a data exchange happening whether you download,use the browser or just turn it on.

Yes, I would never buy a Kindle,Nook or Sony anyway as they all have the "kill switch" or capability in one way or another...Netbooks at Wal-Mart are about $265.00 this week.
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by clynx October 22, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
More annoying noise in our electronic equipment. AT&T always says "No" to new technology because of the possible interference with electronic equipment. You always know when an AT&T device is near just listen for the horrible buss in your speakers. Yuck.
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by gerbache October 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
That's anything using GSM, not specifically AT&T. T-Mobile and all the European carriers do exactly the same thing.

If you're in an area with 3G, you won't hear the GSM chirping anymore, because it doesn't use TDMA.
by poultryfish October 22, 2009 8:53 PM PDT
Wait, that's why?
Son of a b**ch!

I'll be glad when GSM is finally replace by 3G, too bad it will be 2025 before that happens.
by Proud_Geek October 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
Awww poor Sprint... not getting any love these days...
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by TechnoMan475392 October 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT
How much strain can AT&T get. I mean really?!
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by cubsfanatic86 October 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
AT&T has a data network? It's just another reason not to buy a Kindle.
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by moneyrules October 22, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
I woudnt go through all this pain. Simply get a netbook or Ipod touch and get some ereader software onto it.
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by mfreifeld October 22, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
I bought a Gen II Sprint-powered Kindle last year for $359. I do not believe a word they say. Within months, I believe they will announce that one can no longer connect through Sprint, and that my Kindle is functionally bricked. They will, however, offer me a $25 discount if I buy a new AT&T powered one.
By then, I'll be looking at the B&N reader.
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by Januss331 October 22, 2009 6:38 PM PDT
hey that's something I didn't think about...what are other users like you supposed to do about that then? Did I miss what they said they'd do with folks like you?
by lisbeth28 October 22, 2009 6:55 PM PDT
I am scared that my second generation Kindle is not going to work now that Amazon has migrated over to AT&T if they try to offer me some gangster $25 gift card I will personally smash this thing and mail it to Jeff Bezos and buy a "Nook". At some point "nailing" the customer can not be a sustainable business practice!

Seriously how much money does Barnes & Nobles have and all they can come up with is Nook??? Good grief is creativity really dead in the USA????
by svgtom October 23, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
Don't forget that for now, Amazon is still selling the DX which also uses Sprint.
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