Does losing FireWire on a MacBook bother you?
Do you still use one of these?
(Credit: cablek.com)Apple's announcement Tuesday of a thinner and lighter $999 MacBook, one with unibody construction and a glass trackpad, was bittersweet. It should be, for any longtime user of Macs, or digital video equipment, or older hard drives. In updating the MacBook to a much more similar look and feel to its recent MacBook Pro line, Apple used the opportunity to quietly dump one of the most distinctive and useful ports over the last 10 years: FireWire. While just a year ago the alumni 13-inch MacBooks found themselves without FireWire while the white MacBooks still had it, now the tables have turned: all aluminum MacBook Pros now have FireWire 800 ports, while the lowest-end MacBook has had its FireWire stripped out, a casualty of thinner size, engineering, or profit margins.
FireWire, or IEEE 1394, was a format jointly pushed by companies including Apple and Sony, a high-speed standard to transfer data that was a far better alternative to USB 1.0. DV cameras, hard drives, and even the original iPod all used FireWire. Having FireWire was the most important consideration when buying a new Mac. Back in 2003, FireWire was the standard across consumer electronics, especially with the rise of digital video cameras that could upload their footage to PCs for nonlinear editing.
Oh, how times have changed. USB 2.0 is pretty much the universal standard for all data transfer, and it's hard to find any peripheral that doesn't use it--modern peripherals, that is. But that's the conundrum: if you're buying the most budget-friendly Mac laptop out there, there's a good chance you own some equipment that's not quite as up-to-date, or you're simply not willing to give up yet. Losing FireWire means losing access to those peripherals.
When we reviewed Apple's lowest-priced MacBook this past summer, we actually found two of its "legacy" features--a removable battery and FireWire--to be much-appreciated options for those who still liked to carry an extra charged battery around, or for those who still owned and used FireWire equipment. Many videographers still rely on FireWire, as do IT employees. We noticed quite a few commenters from Tuesday's post who were upset about the loss of FireWire, and we sympathize. Apple started this bandwagon, and it always frustrates us when ports are adopted and later abandoned. It's not an Apple issue, it's a legacy CE issue. We were similarly upset about how the PSP Go isn't compatible with the old PSP's cables and equipment.
While introducing a great new MacBook with better battery life, a stronger chassis, and a higher-quality screen, Apple stealth-removed the FireWire port and replaced it with...nothing. USB ports are all that remain. As a MacBook and Apple user, I don't have many FireWire devices anymore, but last year I did have to abandon a FireWire hard drive that wasn't compatible with my 2008 aluminum MacBook. I thought these problems were solved as of this summer, but it's a shame to see that we're back there again.
Or maybe you're fine without FireWire? Does this bother you at all, or would you simply spend the extra $200 for a MacBook Pro? Do you budget-conscious Apple owners feel short-changed, or do you like the new additions to the white MacBook? Was losing FireWire worth it?
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Firewire is HD-DVD. Let it die and let us move toward a single commoditized connector that can give us next to no latency for tiny files, and 5GB/s transfers for huge terabyte drives.
Also, consider that one port may used for many different peripherals that would have to be replaced. So, even if cheap, they add up.
I am fine with retiring Firewire if there is a comparable and inexpensive replacement, but USB 2.0 is a little weak, USB 3.0 isn't available, and eSata only addresses hard drives.
The average user may not need it. But working pros and semipros, or serious enthusiasts for that matter, find it essential.
Hence, the Macbook Pros that have the firewire ports.
I'm not in any way rich, but as a working professional, having old technology is more of a liability than it is any sort of asset or cost savings.
Shouldn't you guys just get a pro? Thanks in advance
No. Just spend $200 more and go for the base 13" Pro with more specs and FireWire. Plus, it has a built-in SD card reader. You really do get some nice enhancements for the extra $200. Besides, the FireWire on the MacBook was only 400. On the base MacBook Pro 13", you get one that's 800... twice as fast. USB 2.0 can support up to 480 Mbps vs. 400 Mbps for FireWire 400.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB403LL/A?mco=MTExOTk5NTQ#overview
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http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-13inch.html
My FW 400 seems to beat out USB 2.0 for transfers any day of the week mainly because (and I haven't bothered to look up specs - this is from observation) FW appears to handle multiple file copies simultaneously while USB 2.0 slogs almost to a halt if you initiate one transfer of a large file and then a second later a second transfer of another large file. FW will simply churn through both (or multiple) transfers.
Another thing is that the power handling on FW seems FAR more robust than that of USB 2.0. I have several large capacity 2.5" hard drives and none of them need power bricks with FW. The same drives also have USB 2.0 ports, but require supplemental power if connected via USB. Bleck.
Again, these are observations, not based on specs. But my sense is that the 480 mbps of USB 2.0 vs. the 400 mbps of FW has always been a "sales spec" and not borne out by real world use. It has always felt like FW 400 was over-engineered and very robust, while USB tends to run on the low-end of engineering possibilities and tends to crap out a lot or cause other instabilities.
This is an unfortunate spec. error. Firewire has its own card in the computer to allow the card to do more of the processing and less cpu involvement in transferring files. Also, USB has a much larger overhead.
Theoretically USB 2.0 is as fast as Firewire 400. But in real practice it's not even close.
With how well Macs do video. And the huge size of these video files. Apple did a disservice to it's users by dropping Firewire.
With Windows 7 now out and the lack-luster reasons to upgrade to Snow Leopard, and them making things WAY, WAY too proprietary, I can't say I'll but another Macintosh. I don't blame them for doing what they do, (they are a business after all!) - the reasoning for using their computers over the competition is starting to get very slim. Count me one and done.
P.S. - (Not entirely Apples fault) Adobe fix Flash player for OSX, it sucks.
P.S.S. - (Entirely Apple's fault) Boot Camp drivers SUCK ... they'll never fix them. "Use Windows on a Mac" has appeared to be a "half truth".
Trust me, I researched it thoroughly. The ADC-to-DVI adaptor costs $100, and then the mini-DVI to DVI is another $30. Basically it would cost $130 to maybe get it working, and it's dubious as to whether it would actually work going through that many adapters (I never found anyone online that seemed to have it 100% working).
For a $130, You could buy a decent 19" monitor these days with VGA and DVI inputs and no question about if it would work or not (plus you wouldn't be encouraging apple to constantly change and sell all those display adapters for bogus prices)
Buy an adapter and get over it.
On the other hand, it's the lowest-end model, so one sort of has to expect cut corners.
Yeah, except I can remove the bottom cover of my $400 netbook by just undoing a handful of screws and removing a single piece of plastic, and voila: immediate access to the ram, hard drive, wifi card, speakers, etc... If the hard drive ever dies, it will take just a few minutes to remove, trouble shoot, and maybe replace. "Cheap" doesn't have to mean "pain in the butt". (Did I mention I can remove the battery? My current is a 5+ hour 6 cell - I'm getting an extra 8+ hour 9 cell for my Europe trip)
So, in order to be upgrading it to a new camcorder i am eyeing (JVC GY-HM100U) which uses SD cards, i need another $ 3 500, which is a lot for a 10$ (or less) port.
And after having used the old firewire on a second generation iPod, and the USB 2 of iPhones, i can appreciate that Firewire still was faster, years ago!
It would be nice if Apple started offering eSATA ports on their laptops, especially the Pros.
- by dasspunk October 21, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
- This is a huge problem for me and a deal breaker. I've been waiting to upgrade my older Macbook but I MUST have firewire. All my drives, audio interfaces, etc... use Firewire. *** Apple?
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Showing 1 of 3 pages (81 Comments)Also, there's yet ANOTHER display connection requiring ANOTHER f'ing adapter. That == suck.