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October 20, 2009 12:44 PM PDT

Hands-off analysis of Apple's new Mac Minis

by Rich Brown
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We can't claim to have even seen Apple's updated Mac Minis, let alone reviewed them, but we can still form a few opinions of the updated specs and the addition of an OS X Server version to the Mac Mini line-up.

To recap, Apple updated the CPU, default RAM, and hard-drive capacities of both its $599 and $799 Mac Minis earlier today. The Core 2 Duo chip in the $599 Mac Mini goes from 2.0GHz to 2.26GHz, the RAM doubles from 1GB of RAM to 2GB, and the hard drive jumps from a 120GB to a 160GB model. The $799 Mac Mini gets a bigger performance boost with its Core 2 Duo chip going from 2.0GHz to 2.53GHz. Its RAM also doubles from 2GB to 4GB, but its hard drive stays the same size.

The hands on this photo? Not ours.

(Credit: Apple)

When we review Macs, we like to pretend we live in a world where computers are tools, where we can be operating system agnostic, and where we appreciate, but stop short of fetishizing, good design. Under those assumptions, and based purely on its specs, we have concerns with the price of both new Mac Minis next to competing small scale Windows-based PCs.

Gateway's SX2800-01, and systems like it, could give the new Mac Minis some stiff competition.

(Credit: CNET/Sarah Tew)

We'll withhold judgment until we can actually test the new Mac Minis, but our hunch is that Gateway's $459, Core 2 Quad-based SX2800-01 slim tower would outperform or come close enough to either new Mac Mini in processing typical workloads. The benefits of the smaller Mac Mini case may also have a hard time competing with the Gateway's versatility that comes from an HDMI output and its upgrade options. We also expect more competitive small PCs to come out over the next few weeks as the holiday buying season continues.

Even if the standard Mac Minis do compete well on performance, the server iteration of the Mac Mini is more interesting, and we credit Apple for listening to a specialized portion of the Mac Mini's current user base. For $999, Apple will now sell you a Mac Mini that essentially mirrors the new $799 model, except that instead of OS X you get OS X Server, and the DVD burner has been replaced by a second hard drive, for 1TB of storage overall. The price might be more than the DIY crowd will tolerate, but any small workgroup environment that might benefit from an out-of-the-way traffic cop it can plug in and forget could very likely be interested in what the Mac Mini Server has to offer.

With luck, we'll get our hands on all three versions soon.

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Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by tipoo_ October 20, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
From that picture, I'm assuming no unibody for the mini?
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by ark_v2 October 20, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
Why would you want a "unibody" desktop?
by buzzedovr October 20, 2009 5:19 PM PDT
because he loves that apple marketing gimmick
by romodoc October 21, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
burned!
by tipoo_ October 21, 2009 6:38 AM PDT
I mean they still use the fisher price plastic for the top, instead of a more uniform look.
by MartyrIcebear October 20, 2009 6:02 PM PDT
I'd like to compare it to the gateway you mention, but your own review of it has no merchant price, and the article quotes it as being $510 with an awful video card. While the mini might not have the best video, it can handle basic 3D gaming out of the box. Plus, the gateway has no mention of wireless and the Mini has built in 802.11n. If I had to chose between the two, I'd go with the Mini.
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by Drlabcoat October 20, 2009 10:20 PM PDT
I bought a Gateway SX2800 that included a 20 inch monitor and a printer for 450.00 from Best Buy, stuck an ATI 4350 in it and got a decent gaming rig for around 500.00 USD. It's a great deal.
by streamline35 October 20, 2009 11:30 PM PDT
Mac fans always decry gamers and talk about how macs aren't for gaming (especially their lousy or lack of video cards are mentioned), and yet suddenly a clearly superior computer comes out, suddenly the totally mediocre 9400 is some sort of giant advantage of the cheaper, faster gateway. Forget, no is going to be playing more than tetris on a mac mini (maybe half life 1, a decade old game, if they want to really push it). And as drlabcoat pointed out, toss in a cheap slim video card, and you've got a machine that can actually play some recent games
by wirelesscaller October 21, 2009 2:19 PM PDT
The gateway is $449.99 at BestBuy and you can add both a better video card and wireless n plus 4 more gigs of ram for much cheaper than the $599 pricing of the cheapest mac mini. I added a wireless n card and a TV tuner card for my gateway plus a nmedia wireless keyboard and trackpad for an awesome media center pc.
by montex66 October 20, 2009 11:40 PM PDT
$1K for a server with unlimited licenses is a huge bargain. You can part together a cheaper PC box, but with Microsoft Server you have to pay a license per box fee. I'd like to see cnet make a graph showing the system cost as the number of seats increases, because at some point the per-seat cost of a mini server flat lines while a microsoft server continues to rise.
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by tipoo_ October 21, 2009 8:13 AM PDT
I would also like to see that sort of comparison.
by jschade October 21, 2009 4:12 AM PDT
Okay, I'll take my Technet subsciption and do just that, with one only, or two or three computers I can virtualize them and have a plethera of Server and client OS choices for the machines, and the cost and my $299 Technet...
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by jdukvoac October 21, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
Technet is fine, if you are using it the way the licensing says you should. Technet is for those who wish to setup a "test" environment and try out the products, get themselves familiarized with them. You are not supposed to use any of the technet products for any production environment. That being said, the argument that you can build a server and virtualize it AND use it for production, home or business, for a mere $299 is mute.

Here is a real quick comparison using a business of 12 people:

Microsoft Small Business Server (includes 5 CALS) $1089.00 MSRP (Source: http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/pricing.aspx)
Additional CALS (per 5) $385.00 x 2 = $770.00 for a total of 15 CALS which covers the 12 employees (http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/pricing.aspx)
Server to run SBS $733 for a Dell Inspiron 537s (Source: http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/)

Grand Total: $2592.00

Apple:

Mac Mini including OX Server: $1098 including external DVD drive (Source: http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC408LL/A?mco=MTMzNzU5Nzc)
Licenses: Unlimited (Source: http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/)

Grand Total: $1098.00

This of course does not include workstations. This is strictly comparing two servers and the "Legal" licensing costs per user. "Software is licensed for evaluation purposes only?not for use in production environments. TechNet Plus subscriptions include the most recent Microsoft software version. Visit Microsoft Software License Terms for details on your use rights for evaluation software and other components of the TechNet Subscription product." (source: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/subscriptions/ms788692.aspx).

So, here's the bottom line: If you want to be legal, and I am assuming you want to be since you have a subscription to technet and aren't downloading pirated software, then it would cost you an extra $1494 to have windows server and about the same capabilities as OS X Server. Let's for argument sake take out the cost of the PC for SBS, and you are still dishing out an additional $761.00 over the cost of the Mini including OS X Server. Do the research, do the math. Why did I chose SBS as the edition to use? It comes with Exchange, Firewall ISA, AD, etc, ensuring that you are running a comparable server to OS X (Includes E-mail services, Firewall, Web Hosting, etc.)

This of course is the breakdown for a small workgroup environment. As for home, you can probably get away with using Technet as a "Test" environment for evaluation, but even that might be sketchy.

I am in no way shape or form trying to say that OS X server is better than Microsoft Server, hell, MS is used in most businesses. I Personally like the robustness of a good Novell server, but it's just to illustrate that the comment made about using his technet subscription and his cost of $299 to run a server environment is ludicrous.
by davidmootoo October 21, 2009 4:14 AM PDT
I have used Microsoft Windows ever since WIndows 3.1. However, after going through all the headache, heartache and frustration of Windows Vista, I am through - the Mac Mini is now my next computer. I am no fanboy of either Microsoft or Apple - I just prefer to keep USING my computer, as opposed to FIXING it.

i have gone through every transition of Windows, so I know what it takes to adapt to a new OS from Microsoft. But after using Vista for 2 years, I have had it.

The Mac Mini is the most affordable Mac of the ENTIRE line and comes with the substantially more stable Mac OS. In fact, I have even been using my PS3 with Linux, which is a whole lot more stable and faster than Vista.

So, as far as Windows machines being "comparable"... Windows 7 isn't going to fool me - I've paid the price of being an early adopter.

Having used a Mac Mini for the last 2 months (my girlfriend's), I am now convinced (as opposed to just thinking about it) to making the switch to Mac.

I would recommend the Mac to anyone who's not a big computer gamer (since most of the games released are for Windows), since Mac handles everything else so well...
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by jschade October 21, 2009 4:19 AM PDT
C'mon, everybody's a Gamer~!! We're just to busy upgrading our old stuff, playing with our new stuff, salivating over stuff we can't have and oh, working, to play games?!
by b_baggins October 21, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
Being operating system agnostic is an asinine position to take. The operating system is part of that tool you claim computers are.

Of course, since OS X is a huge value-added leverage to Apple hardware, I understand why you want to insist that operating systems be removed from the equation.
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by jpmccloud01 October 21, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
I think this is comical. Look I mac mini is what Mac calls entry lvl. They refuse to understand that entry lvl in it's size should be at a lower price point since you get what would be a $350 computer at best in the PC world. Mac instead of every bodies PC is still Trying to cater to the upper crust on one hand while saying it's better for everyone. At the price Mac puts the mini the HD should be at least 3 times bigger try 640 at $599 price with a quad core processer, then maybe I'd bye Mac
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by josh81 October 21, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
The company is called "Apple." Just FYI.
by Proud_Geek October 21, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
I dunno. For $799 I could get a pretty freakin' sweet gaming rig (possibly quad-core). I already have Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit.

Still trying to understand the appeal of the Mac Mini.
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by sweetaction1 October 21, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
My issue with the apple is simple. They sell their OS for like$150 (dont quote me on that cost) but it is WAY cheaper then microsoft's yet, a mac build will cost more because the HARDWARE cost more. A LOT more. If the eula permitted the os to be installed in any machine, the os would be a great choice but face it, at the end of the day they are increasing costs because they say the os is what makes their product more valuable but then they sell the os by itself cheap. Their logic seems like a bit of an oxymoron. the very thing they say adds value to their product they value at a lower cost.
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by bmccorm2 October 21, 2009 12:44 PM PDT
Ok so let's be OS agnostic.....we have a Gateway with a Core2 Quad, 4gb RAM, and 640 gb HD going up against a Mac Mini with a Core2 Duo, 2gb of RAM, and 160GB HD. Did i mention the gateway costs LESS? Hmmmm what would you choose? Easy decision and there is little comparison. So obviously the OS is a very pertinent piece to the comparison so lets not forget that CNET.

But i know you haven't forgot because the Gateway would "outperform or come close enough to either new Mac Mini in processing typical workloads." You are giving the Mac quite the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that the Mac, with the slower clock speed and down 2 cores, might "come close enough" to matching the gateway in processing workloads?!?! There is no doubt that the gateway, with 2x the RAM, would thoroughly beat any computing number the Mac could put up. Enough with the mac bias....
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by streamline35 October 21, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
Agreed. The gateway, besides an extra pair of cores, is still up on the mac mini in terms of clock speed at 2.33GHz vs 2.26GHz. To get a faster processor (but still only dual core), you have to spend a minimum of $750 on a mac mini.

And "double the ram!"? What a joke. They upped it from 1GB standard to 2GB standard, and yet they are still lagging behind the rest of the computing world, where most cheap computers (like the gateway) come with 3 to 4 GB standard. RAM is dirt cheap these days, but apparently not as cheap as apple.
by rhbrown October 21, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
Mac bias, seriously? I gave that Gateway an Editor's Choice award. That thing is frickin awesome and I've probably recommended it in close to twenty reviews/blog posts since I first reviewed it.

And yup, the Gateway is cheaper, but it also has a dog of a video chip and no WiFi. The Mac Mini has WiFi and the GeForce 9400M. You can make up for the WiFi and video chip in the Gateway because it's expandable, just like you can make up for the Mac Mini's puny hard drive with external/networked storage. But I'd argue that budget buyers especially might hesitate to crack the Gateway open, so out of the box the Mac Mini has a few advantages.

I expect accusations will fly every time I type the word "Apple," and I try to stay as fair as I can. I also don't want to judge any system before I've tested it, so yes, I leave the door open to the possibility that the Mac Mini might surprise me. But friend, don't tell me I don't love that Gateway.
by BMC Tackle December 4, 2009 9:42 PM PST
I LOVE my Mac Mini. I opted for the smaller of the Macs because I already had a recently purchased monitor, and it made no sense to get the IMac. I got my mini with the larger hardrive, and the 4 gb memory pack. I included the IWorks software, which I needed for my word docs. This past week I just added QuickBooks PRO 2010 and now I have the MacDaddy computer to run my business as well as develop new features, graphics, videos, and mp3s for my internet business. I am super pleased with my purchase, which was a grand total of $825.

The mini is fast and easy to use. The prepackaged software that came with the computer has proven to be sufficient for my needs. The photo software and the video software does the job for me. I have been able to make changes to my pictures as well as edit my product videos. Prior to purchasing the computer I thought I would have to get software that was a tad more sophisticated, however that has not been the case. FIleZilla FTP, and a host of other internet development tools work well on the Mac. There is plenty of internet, as well as utilities, widgets, etc. Download.com is an excellent resource, as is the rest of Cnet. I never buy any electronic device without getting input from this site and the visitors who post their opinions here. I am elated that I am able to recommend the Mac Mini with zero reservations.

Three years ago I paid way more than $825 for a Dell, and got a goat in exchange for a cow. Even the Toshiba Bluetooth software, and other programs expired after a year! I will never go back to PC again. I do have a Linux OS running on a 3rd computer, but I find the Mac to be much better than my Linux machine. Apple has done their homework over the years, I am just very SORRY that I didn't make this move much much sooner.
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