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October 20, 2009 9:00 AM PDT

Apple redesigns iMac and 13-inch MacBook, revamps Mac Mini

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Update (2:30pm PT): We've obtained review samples of the new iMac, MacBook, and Magic Mouse released today. Follow-up coverage--including hands-on impressions and videos--is included below.

First impressions of Apple's new 27-inch iMac [includes video]

Hands-on with the new Apple MacBook [includes video]

Hands-off analysis of Apple's new Mac Minis

First Look: Apple conjures up Magic Mouse with a dose of multi-touch

Apple Time Capsule, Airport Extreme receive small (possibly significant) upgrades

Original story follows.

Apple revamped its desktop and laptop lines Tuesday, dramatically redesigning the iMac all-in-one and MacBook laptop, and also adding a few updates to its Mac Mini line of small-scale desktops. It also introduced a handful of updated peripherals, with a multitouch mouse bringing the most thorough changes.

Apple's redesigned iMac echoes the MacBook Pro.

(Credit: Apple)

New iMacs
The biggest news Tuesday will be the new iMacs, which move from aluminum and polycarbon design to aluminum and edge-to-edge glass, mirroring the look of Apple's line of MacBook Pro laptops. The new iMac will come in 21.5 (1,920x1,080) and 27-inch (2,560x1,440) models, each with a 16:9 aspect ratio.

Starting price for the 21.5-inch model is $1,199, with the 27-incher beginning at $1,699. Apple will also offer step-up models for each screen size, coming in at $1,499 for the beefier 21.5-inch model, and $1,999 for the higher-end 27-inch iMac.

As for specs, Apple has mostly opted for raw speed over adding more processing cores. All but the $1,999 iMac come with Intel Core 2 Duo chips, but the CPU speed in the lowest model now starts at 3.06GHz. That used to be the fastest chip available in Apple's previous highest-end iMac. The one exception is the $1,999 iMac, which starts with Intel's most recent quad-core chip, the core i5 at 2.66GHz, and upgrade options for that model go all the way to the even faster Core i7 at 2.8GHz.

Other new iMac features are relatively straightforward for the systems themselves. There's no Blu-ray option, as was rumored, but you do get an SD Card slot on all new iMacs. The 27-inch version also lets you use its mini-Display Port input as a video input (via a dongle from Belkin), which means you can use the larger iMac as a second monitor. The GeForce 9400M remains the standard graphics chip, with upgrades available to Radeon HD 4670 and Radeon HD 4870 chips. Storage options go as high as 2TB on the 27-inchers.

13-inch Unibody Polycarbonate MacBook
Apple has also revamped its best-selling laptop, the 13-inch MacBook. The new version retains the white polycarbonate look, as well as the $999 price.

The new polycarbon MacBook laptop.

(Credit: Apple)

With every other laptop in Apple's current lineup using the "Pro" moniker, the single non-Pro MacBook was starting to look a bit dated. While many industry watchers expected Apple to lower prices on the white polycarbonate version, the company has given the system an upscale makeover, keeping the price the same.

Like the aluminum MacBook Pro models, the MacBook now has a unibody chassis, although in this case, it's still made of polycarbonate. A separate bottom panel has a matte non-slip feel, as opposed to the glossy white upper body. The unibody construction means the battery is no longer removable--also like the current Pro lineup.

We got a chance to get our hands on one of the new MacBooks this morning. While still recognizably a MacBook, the new version has more gently rounded edges on the lid, making it look slightly thinner from a side angle. The touch pad is the same large glass multitouch version found on the MacBook Pros, and is dominated by the wrist rest. Also like the Pro versions, the 13.3-inch display is now LED backlit, which is better for both power consumption and environmental concerns.

Internal components, including the Nvidia GeForce 9400, are either the same, or very similar to, current models. Some features found in the 13-inch MacBook Pro that you won't find in this new MacBook include the SD card slot and backlit keyboard.

While consumers have long called for lower entry prices for Mac laptops, Apple has always been reluctant to stray into the lower-margin sub-$1,000 market. With this new upscale version of the MacBook, Apple is giving a slight recessionary nod to buyers, without having to dive into the Netbook price wars.

The new touch capacitive Magic Mouse.

(Credit: Apple)

The new Magic Mouse and wireless keyboard
You'll also find new peripherals in the box with a new iMac. Apple has made a wireless mouse and keyboard the default options, and both have received redesigns. The keyboard now has an all aluminum body, but the new mouse, dubbed the Magic Mouse, is far more interesting. The sleek, touch capacitive design behaves similarly to the track pad on Apple's laptops. Of course the standard two-button usage model works as you'd expect, but you can also simply drag your finger down the middle of the mouse to scroll up and down. It also supports accelerated scrolling, like the iPhone, along with a few gestures for lateral and 360-degree movement, depending on the application. A new aluminum body Apple Remote is also available as a $16 extra

New Mac Mini
Finally, Apple gave a nod to the Mac Mini. The core design remains the same for the most part, with a few minor tweaks to its CPU, memory, and hard-drive capacity. Prices remain the same at $599 and $799. Far more interesting is the new server iteration of the Mac Mini. This model starts at $999, and instead of a DVD burner, you get the Snow Leopard version of OS X Server, along with two 500GB hard drives.

All of these new products are available today, except for the Core i5-based iMac, which goes on sale in November. We'll also be posting hands-on slideshows and videos of the new MacBook and the new 27-inch iMac shortly, so stay tuned.

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by slimskinnee October 20, 2009 9:13 AM PDT
Finally an update that is worthwhile. The 9-9-09 event was a huge disappointment. Looking to buy a Mac Mini, hopefully the older models will be clearance priced!
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by Warhaven October 20, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
AppleCare for Mac Mini went up in price. Is now $149. Was $99 last week.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 20, 2009 12:51 PM PDT
the macbook never had firewire 800
by george_liquor October 20, 2009 2:35 PM PDT
Lately, I've been thinking about a mini to replace my media center PC. Having something smaller & quieter than a mid-tower would be nice.
by george_liquor October 20, 2009 2:35 PM PDT
Lately, I've been thinking about a mini to replace my media center PC. Having something smaller & quieter than a mid-tower would be nice.
by chriscooksey October 20, 2009 9:18 AM PDT
Looks like they ousted the firewire on the Macbook though, at least from the pictures on Apples site. Its not really used by amateurs anymore anyway though
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by ajax727 October 20, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
I rely heavily on firewire with my group of video cameras. I'm sorry to see it go. I understand however, that Apple will not continue a dying technology, and this was apparent when they dropped it from the aluminum MacBooks. I'm on borrowed time right now until I upgrade my equipment.
by cvaldes1831 October 20, 2009 9:37 AM PDT
The current MacBook Pros offer a FireWire 800 port.
by blueshore October 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
USB 2.0 basically took away the need for a fast interfase like Firewire-400 on most consumer grade products . Most Macs already have Firewire-800, which can also handle Firewire-400 (with the proper cables).

Kind of remind me of the old SCSI ports on the first gen of Macs.
by solitare_pax October 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
With the exception of LaCie's d2 type drives and a few others, you don't really see Firewire or iLink (as Sony called it) hyped much any more.
by jh7468 October 20, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
Goof Lord! No Firewire? Why??? I am not a "Pro" user, but I'm smart enough to know that Firewire 800 blows away USB 2.0!! I love Apple computers, but some of their decisions still boggle the mind. The new MacBook is prettier and a little quicker/bigger, but is still missing some good features (Firewire, backlit keypad) but keeping the tree-hugger battery. All for the same 1K price?
by cvaldes1831 October 20, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
At this point in time, unless you have some legacy devices, FireWire is a pro connection. The average consumer is just wants to plug their FlipHD into the USB 2.0 port and call it a day.

If you really need FireWire connections, all three MacBook Pros (13", 15", 17") have the faster FireWire 800 port. The port is also there on the iMac and Mac mini.

Apple needs to make some design compromises on the consumer-grade MacBook and losing FireWire is a reasonable concession to make in late 2009.
by Perry_Clease October 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
Just on the MacBook, the MacBook Pros still have FireWire.
by george_liquor October 20, 2009 2:40 PM PDT
FW800 is nice to have on the MBP, but I really wish they added eSATA instead.
by TheraCaffe October 20, 2009 8:13 PM PDT
@cvaldes1831
"The average consumer is just wants to plug their FlipHD into the USB 2.0 port and call it a day."

True, but Apple has never really marketed towards the average consumer; they usually pride themselves on making high end computers. If I'm going to pay thousands of dollars on a computer, I would at least like the connections I want. That's one of the things I don't like about Apple: they don't let the consumer have much say in the hardware department. I say they should open Mac OS to work on non-Appleware, which will be able to make better use of the OS. That will of course never happen.
by baisa October 20, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
Underwhelming. They are missing the boat on pricing on laptops -- now that MacBook legacy design is so mature and costs must be low, they should have lowered to $799. And no new quad core option in the MacBook Pros???

Sad to say, but I won't be refreshing my 3+ year old MacBook with a new one -- they just haven't delivered a compelling new model.
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by Synthmeister October 20, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
Apparently the rest of the world disagrees with you because Macs sales hit record numbers yesterday and Macbooks accounted for over a third of those sales.
by jimmyhoops October 20, 2009 10:58 AM PDT
Apple has no desire to join the 'race to the bottom' with other hardware manufacturer's. They are smart to stay in the $1,000+ market; which they totally dominate at this point. They are a classic example of quality over quantity. Maintaining their profit margins are what has sustained them thus far. Why mess with a winning strategy.
by baconstang October 20, 2009 12:58 PM PDT
If by "Missing the boat" you mean setting all time sales records (despite the recession), yes they certainly are.
by AaronMK October 20, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
@jimmyhoops

Making hardware prices more inline with the competition is no race to the bottom. Racing to the bottom would be Celeron processors and integrated graphics. If they sold their $1699 Mac Book Pro at $1199 (still a lot more expensive than comparable PC hardware), I bet they would still have healthy profit margins, and increased sales would more than make up for per unit losses.

@Synthmeister

I would hardly say the vast majority who are buying PCs instead of Mac is the rest of the world. Record sales for Apple still pales in comparison to PC laptop sales. That would still be the case even if the MacBook were the single best selling laptop. (With the number of PC models, I would not be surprised if that is the case.) I have to believe it is a pricing issue, because I doubt most of those PC users are having a better computing experience.
by jimmyhoops October 20, 2009 3:02 PM PDT
@Aaron,

Personally I'm glad Macs are more expensive. I'd rather have quality I can depend on at a higher price than crap that transports my tech support calls to India. As my mother is fond of saying, "cheap isn't cheap and expensive isn't expensive!"

Personally, I don't care about the PC world anymore. I know that my Macs are reliable, the tech support is second to none and my software works as described.

And yes, it is a race to the bottom for PC manufacturers. They can't really touch the $1,000+ market and that's fine by me. I always thought buying a PC was akin to going out and buying a brand new car only to have to go to another dealer and buy the engine (OS). Kinda silly when you consider that every great car is engineered from the inside out, and not the other way around.

The battle is over in my mind. I'll never own a PC ever again. I can't recall the last time I had to do maintenance on my Mac aside from the occasional two clicks to download updates and even that process (for the most part) is highly automated.
by Mark_Anderson October 20, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
Sure, Synth. Those 3 million Macs accounted for less than 4% of all computers sold last quarter. Apparently your definition of 'everybody' is a bit off.

And, Jimmy, whilst I'm glad you enjoy your choice you are kind of fibbing a bit - I've had to shut down my Macbook half a dozen times after being prompted for my password and being told twice that my computer isn't connected to a power source (you think it would have got it the first time) for updates in the last few months.
by ckh1272 October 20, 2009 6:57 PM PDT
@Mark_Anderson--So because he is using a problem free computer, he must be fibbing?? Come on now.
by make_or_break October 20, 2009 7:54 PM PDT
Record sales isn't surprising...but how many of those sales are actually new Mac users, and not just current, dedicated Mac users choosing to upgrade with this renewal cycle?
by TheraCaffe October 20, 2009 8:16 PM PDT
I don't understand why many Apple customers are against price drops. Why would you not want the same great hardware at a lower price? That does not make sense to me. =/
by boardmad October 21, 2009 7:22 AM PDT
Traditional mac users (designers, musicians, video editors, educators) are being underwhelmed, yes. But why not? High-end power users can easily make do with Apple desktops from 3 years ago. And last years Macbook Pros still take care of business. It doesn't matter in the short run. Sales growth is just not happening in that market. Last I checked, Apple has 90% of the $1000+ laptop market, which didn't used to be expensive for a good computer. People who spend much less aren't really getting a do-everything/last-a-while machine. People's reaction to netbooks just goes to show how people want a good experience no matter how little they paid. Going lower on price isn't just a race to the bottom; it's an invitation for people to destroy the brand image. I walked through an indoor public space yesterday and saw 4-5 recently homeless people surfing the free wireless on their laptops. I assume because of the initial price and resale value, they were not using macs.

Knowledgeable, objective people might say that you can get more bang for your buck with another manufacturer - and power to you all. I get all the bang that I need, and as for my buck - it is well spent to have an OS that was actually designed and tested on my exact hardware configuration. But I agree with baisa that if you have a working mac, there is little reason to get very excited about their new entry-level.

@AaronMK
I don't think you'll be happy with Apple's execs until OSX beats out Windows, which will never happen. Bet they are glad you're not the majority shareholder. It's like someone saying that something is wrong in the mango market because people are still buying cheap bananas, apples, and oranges.

@jimmyhoops
Good tech support? What kind exactly? They've always been bad, and their support ratings were steadily dropping for more than 3 years. Did they suddenly get better? The only consolation is that everyone has terrible tech support - and overcharges people to extend it too. I'm just glad that I live where 3rd party companies can take care of my occasional repair needs.
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by Tony59 October 20, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
Anything Apple makes is top grade, and is worth the money. Way to go Apple!!!
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by ywkhgqo October 20, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
way to drink the kool-aid
by MacDellMan October 20, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
Wow. Blind loyalty. Apple must love you! And...that's why they can charge $999 for a MacBook that should costs about $599. Blind loyalty blinds the loyalist to their misguided purchases. I'll agree that everything Apple makes is top grade "design", but the rest is no better than anything else out there. The OS is also top grade, but again, it's only an OS. I have to use Windows 7 at work (sorry)...and it works perfectly (as does the MacOS I use at home.) It, like the iPhone, is all about the apps. And...for me...there is more variety on the PC...

Anyway, keep on with your blind loyalty...it gives us all something funny to read and someone to feel sorry for...
by rnaoncfixd October 20, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
I'm an Apple fan, and even I have to agree with with the other people here and say that Tony59, gotta calm down on that kool-aid. You take a couple sips at a time, don't chug down the pitcher.

On another note, however, Mac stuff is usually expensive because of a lot of bundled software that comes with it, that is specifically designed for it. You're not just buying hardware, like you do with netbooks or other laptops. I agree, the price is a bit steep though.

Although, if you think about it, I can install Windows 7 on my mac and have just as many programs as a Windows PC has, plus all my mac programs as well. So, ummm... Macs win at apps?
by shawakwak October 20, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
Why do you guys care if he has blind loyalty? And how do you know it's blind loyalty? Because he doesn't agree with you? Who cares if there's a million apps. If the OSX has the ones you need and they work then it's worth the money.

It's like saying I like this super market because of the huge meat counter. Except all you eat is chicken.
by shawakwak October 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
Tony59

Keep drinking as much kool-aid as you want. Though I think ywkhgqo and MacDellMan are pretty arrogant with their comments. What they're saying is.

"We know everything and you know nothing, because you don't agree with us!" That's the nature of the internet. Everyone is an expert.

The only regret I've had since buying my first mac is not doing it sooner. I'm lucky. I can do my work on a mac. Which is Sweet so the only time I have to see a windows box is when one of my friends needs me to fix it.
by ubacilio October 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT
also use an apple, Im the owner of a small hospital, that manages 6000 patients a month. Actually de Mac are not expensive if you take into account the software, and what you can do with the software. Specially talking about PACS and a software named OSIRIX, y change my 60 computers to MAC, and counting all the licensed software I had to pay, as PACS, radiology workstations, photo manager, and editors, and antivirus, and all that stuff I cutted this 2009 costs by 80,000 dlls, good news, as i dont have to renew licenses, next year Im gonna cut 80,000 dlls costs again, or even more, cause the performance of the macintosh may keep the workflow without need to upgrade any machine next year. Thats just a guess, I will tell you next year.
by dadsgravy October 20, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
@MacDellMan

Talk about feeling sorry for someone. Please, I'm begging you, point me to a laptop that has the same specs as the $999 macbook, that sells for $599. You can't because there isn't any.

Either you have some disgruntled feelings toward Apple, or you are just plain ignorant when it comes to technology. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

Most cheap laptops use DDR2 800MHz RAM. RAM that is 3-4 years old. They also only have 1MB L2 cache. The macbook uses DDR3 1066MHz RAM with 3MB L2 cache. If you find a Windows machine with that type of RAM, you're going to pay much more than $599. That's a fact.

So keep up with your Apple is over priced theory and enjoy your cheap crap.
by jscott418 October 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Hey its people like him that make Apple so rich. But you know he will come back and say how much better Apple products are. My answer to that is that if your profit margin is so high and you market share against PC's is about 8 to 9%. You don't have the buying power on hardware so I am thinking the hardware is not anything to write home about. After all most computer's even Apple Mac's are made in China. With Intel CPU's the hardware choices are about the same as PC's. No doubt their is a premium on Apple Mac's.But Apple is a genius at convincing buyer's otherwise. So you have to give them credit for being able to charge a premium in this market environment. I know a lot of Mac user's will give plenty of reasons for the added costs. But bottom line is that they are trying to console themselves on why they paid $200 more for a MacBook or even more for other models. I have a MacBook and I know I paid a premium for a basic laptop. But I wanted OS X and if I could have got it in a Dell for $200 less I would have.
by jimmyhoops October 20, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
Couldn't agree with you more! PC's are for idiots who only think with their wallets. I've got better things to do than to worry about computer maintenance and crashes. Personally I'm thankful for the PC market. I don't think Apple would be able to deliver a boutique experience if they were mass produced and available for $200.00 at Wall Mart. You get what you pay for and Macs are no exception.
by Mark_Anderson October 20, 2009 4:43 PM PDT
@Jimmy

Were you born that stupid and bigoted or did it just develop over adolescence?

You really are Apple's ideal customer. Blind and unquestioning.
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by vojnov October 20, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
Good for Apple they make really nice looking machines , pitty i don't use them (well not for everyday work) and most of the world don't have the MONEY to buy it even if they half their prices... The Apple is just for showcase " O LOOK AT ME I HAVE A GREAT BEAUTIFULL MACINTOSH" and then the crowd goes "WOOOOW THAT IS SOO COOOL" and after 10-15 mins they all go back to the PC. and all the others are PC... But this "magic" mouse! well that one i have to see bc the last MIGHTY mouse was a pain in the A**... the scroll buged, and i cant press laft and right button at the same time and the side buttons didnt work well etc.. . . Well GL apple. ..
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by chriscooksey October 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
I use my Macs for professional work all day, everyday. And no I dont run to a pc when no one's looking. People are different, no big deal
by shuyin84 October 20, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
I also use my Mac for professional work every day, as does my Dad who is the controller of the financial division for a fortune 500 company, this company is not apple
by dverlaque October 20, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
Most of the world COULD afford apple products if the halved their prices.
In any case, Apple products aren't significantly more expensive than comparable PCs.
by gofalcons October 20, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
my dad uses a mac too....blah blah lol, its still relatively rare to use macs in the workplace so whats your points guys
by dansterpower October 20, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
My company produces a lot of the major web content you see everyday and we do it on our macs.

We like the production system better -- for design, for coding, for software engineering, for wire framing -- than we do on our PC's.

Our PC's make great machines for testing the content we build. We are grateful we have them to test our work on.
by Perry_Clease October 20, 2009 10:54 AM PDT
"Most of the world COULD afford apple products if the halved their prices."

Most of the "World" can afford Apple products. They just just choose shoddy PCs over quality Macs, or quality PCs for that matter.
by Seaspray0 October 20, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
My mother in law uses a kenmore vacuume cleaner and it is so easy to get the dirt out of the carpet. She doesn't work for a fortune 500 company.
by ubacilio October 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
In my opinion, you are not getting the whole picture of costs if you are from the side of the employee, Im the owner of a small hospital, that manages 6000 patients a month. Have more than 300 employees, I realized that actually de Macs are not expensive if you take into account the software, and what you can do with the software. Specially talking about PACS and a software named OSIRIX, y change my 60 computers to MAC, and counting all the licensed software I had to pay every year, as PACS, radiology workstations, photo manager, and editors, and antivirus, and all that stuff I cutted this 2009 costs by 80,000 dlls, the machines payed by itself, good news, as i dont have to renew licenses, next year Im gonna cut 80,000 dlls costs again, or even more, cause the performance of the macintosh may keep the workflow without need to upgrade any machine next year. Thats just a guess, I will tell you next year. Ah by the way, this is enough professional? what do you refer to professional?
by bluelight421 October 20, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
wow, have a drink, take a seat and CALM DOWN MR. CAPS LOCK! Sorry you are so hostile towards Apple! Please keep using those Wonderful Microsoft Products forever and ever and ever as Microsoft continues to spiral into irrelevency because they can NO LONGER INNOVATE! The market leaders always have nowhere to go but down the big sad hill! And yes captain obvious...Apple is EXPENSIVE! Yet you have the satisfaction of knowing that you aren't paying for a half ass experience when you purchase a Mac. But again... APPLE IS EXPENSIVE!! WE ALL KNOW THIS! AND YET THEY ARE SOMEHOW STILL CONSIDERED TO BE A THREAT TO THE GREAT MICROSOFT EMPIRE. Have you not seen the new Windows which strives more and more to be like OS X? Have you seen the desparate Laptop Hunter Ads? Have you seen the "all NEW & INNOVATIVE" complete Apple Store rip offs Microsoft is unleashing on the public? hhhmmm? Guess what vojnov.... I've had my great beautiful macintosh for more than 10-15 minutes and well as far as im aware... I STILL USE AND LOVE IT LIKE MOST MAC USERS DO!!! Enjoy "being a PC" while you battle the tremendous headaches associated with Microsoft products!!
by keaura October 20, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
My company (a large and well known web application development firm) lets us pick Macs or PCs so there is good mix. When most people pick a new computer, they switch from PC to Mac; very few switch from Mac to PC. If there is a piece of software that is Windows-only, VMWare takes care of that. The ease of use and reliability of the Mac over PCs makes the IT department very happy.

We create a lot of server-side software and the Mac OS, being Unix, makes it a breeze. You have a professional, enterprise-grand computer in a laptop that can edit and compile Java as well as shell scripts for our enterprise (Linux) servers.
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by antipopsuperstar October 20, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
Wow, I built a more powerful/on-par PC than/with the 27-incher (Core i7-860 2.8 GHz, 1TB WD CBlack, 1GB HD4670, 4GB DDR etc.) for under $800. Talk about overpriced hardware.
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by chriscooksey October 20, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
Tell me if it would still be a viable machine 5 years down the road
by antipopsuperstar October 20, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
More so, since I can actually get into the guts and change anything I want to without dropping another $2k on another iMac 2 years from now.
by YankeePoodle October 20, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
chriscooksey,

his specs are good enough for 6 years let alone 5.
by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
Silly... you are comparing a tower to an all in one.

Put them on a desk next to each other and get back to me.

Having an all in one with a brilliant display, tiny footprint, and no cables has its benefits....
by Crackintoshberry October 20, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
I agree completely. My MBP (2.2 santa rosa) had a few major repairs, and ultimately apple replaced it out of warranty for being a lemon. Great customer service etc even though they lost it, found it, said it was fixed, and it wasnt. HOWEVER, for the next computer in the household it's going to be an i7 system with osx. built by me. for $1000 you can build a ridiculous i7 920 based system, easily overclock a quad core processor to 3.5ghz, and demolish most of apples offerings (sans top end mac pro) using a legitimate retail version of the software, purchased at the apple store. And in the future, when the i9 comes out etc, don't buy a new system, pop a new processor in and you're good to go.
by blackspyder1 October 20, 2009 10:15 AM PDT
exactly. For the person who would prefer to tinker and upgrade their computer part by part, or just build it themselves...Apple is non-existent. (Excepting Hackintoshs.....its a pain to do).
by antipopsuperstar October 20, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
@ballmerisanape

It's even more ridiculous that even after factoring in the price of my 42" HDTV, my build comes out cheaper than the 27" inch Apple iMac. With my wireless keyboard, I can enjoy my computer sitting on my couch on my TV without ever needing to touch the actual casing.

And a tower has its advantages. Instead of buying an army of externals once HD digital media becomes the defacto standard, I can pop 2TB drives into the 6 empty drive bays I'll have waiting.

There's no argument that you're paying a premium to buy an iMac. That's the way Apple want it. When you're buying an iMac you're not just buying a computer, you're buying into being an owner of an Apple product, if that makes any sense. You can bring up non-tangibles over and over again, but the bottom line is that Apple overprices their products.
by Vegaman_Dan October 20, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
@Ballmerisanape:

I personally prefer choice. I like to choose to change monitors later if I want a smaller or larger one, or if I want to have a matching pair. The iMac line does not make this possible.

If the LCD fails, you're pretty much pooched to having to getting it repaired and that means you're without your computer for an extended period. External monitor means you're only down as long as it takes to go to the store and get another one, possibly bigger.

Proprietary cables means *EXPENSIVE*.

No sir, I like choice. I prefer to, well, 'think different.'
by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
antipopsuperstar ... ... what about Dell's all-in-one offerings? Do people by an XPS for the sheer glory?

You still miss the point... it's an all-in-one... that's about 3 inches thick.....

If you want more storage... just plug in more drives to your wireless router..

An all-in-one is a workstation.. a giant HD TV is not.
by dansterpower October 20, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
You could not build your machine with an S-IPS panel for that price. You could with a cheap, color-inaccurate TN panel, but not with a Production level S-IPS panel.
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by datkinso_v2 October 20, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
I use my Mac all day long, it's part of my job. I'm not about to buy either a wireless keyboard or a wireless mouse. Simple as that. I refuse to constantly feed batteries into my computer to keep it running. Is Steve Jobs heavily invested in Duracell & Energizer stock or what?
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by cvaldes1831 October 20, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
Standard USB peripherals work fine with Macs.

Feel free to plug in whatever wired USB keyboard and pointer device you have. I use a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 and a Logitech TrackMan Wheel with my MacBook. They work fine.
by jgren October 20, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
Rechargeable batteries work great, invest once and keep using.
by Synthmeister October 20, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
Not sure what you are talking about. You can just as well chose the wired mouse at no cost.
by DrtyDogg October 20, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
Watch it, this is the only device in Apples lineup that HAS a user replaceable battery.
by datkinso_v2 October 21, 2009 12:25 AM PDT
You're missing the point, the new Magic Mouse is only available as a wireless mouse. The old, wired Apple mouse has the uncleanable scroll ball feature which gets very annoying after a while.

They could easily have made a wired version of the Magic Mouse and they didn't.
by nafhan October 20, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
What's a 4780? The product number makes it sound like an overclocked 4770.
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by rhbrown October 20, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
Thanks for the catch, fix incoming.
by leganx October 20, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
I was hoping for a lower priced macbook to buy this holiday.
I guess I will go with the Asus UL30A or an Acer Timeline instead
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by Vegaman_Dan October 20, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
Don't look for Apple to drop their computer lapotp line below $999 or else it could crowd the comfort level for releasing a tablet-like device in the $500-$999 market area.
by DMBoricua October 20, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
For the price you get what you pay for, but if you are going for an Asus or an Acer then thats up to you.
by leganx October 20, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
I've had an economy asus lapto for almost three years that has run very well, imagine that. So I am very happy with what I paid for it.
by DrtyDogg October 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
the UL30A is a nice looking budget laptop. I'm also thinking of picking that up this week.
by DMBoricua October 20, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
I'm so happy Apple updated their Macbook line of computers!! That white Macbook looks really good, I might be getting that one for school! :)
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by Vegaman_Dan October 20, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
The white Macbook looks like every other Macbook they have had out. Internals change, the case construction changed, but the overall look hasn't changed significantly.
by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 11:22 AM PDT
damn ,if they only made it in marine blue i would switch..lol
by DMBoricua October 20, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
The white Macbook is comparable with the new Macbook Pro's now, it has DDR3 RAM memory, quite fast 2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, built-in battery which is bigger, the only thing that changes really is the body material. I'm sold for this Macbook :D
by blueshore October 20, 2009 9:55 AM PDT
The Mac mini server is quite a nice system for a home office or a small business. It looks that Apple are basically either giving away the Mac mini or the Snow Leopard Server (since Snow Leopard Server costs about the same as the hardware). The concept is not new, but is quite interesting.
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by Perry_Clease October 20, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
Unlimited users with the Mac Mini Server license.
by Rvermi October 20, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
The only things keeping me going to MACS are 1. PRICE (still high for what you get) 2. Still No BLU-RAY. and 3. Still no apple compatablitliy for certain programs.
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by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:10 AM PDT
If you provide a list of "certain programs" that are keeping you from jumping it.. I would be happy to find them for you.

The price thing is a preference... you really do get what you pay for.. however, there are lot's of people who are not concerned about design.. As far as overall hardware specs... that really is like comparing apples to oranges.. Apple has the luxury of tailoring performance around their own hardware configuration. Windows has the daunting task of being everything to everyone.. which is the reason my Dell XPS is less responsive than my iMac.
by streamline35 October 20, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
For number 3, you can always go with boot camp or parallels. But yeah, not much you can do about price or blue ray.
by dverlaque October 20, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Price: not bad compared to PCs. Higher, yes but not by much.
Blu-Ray: Why would you need a Blu-Ray drive? If you want to watch high-def movies on a 27 inch screen, get a normal DVD. The image is the same on such a small screen.
Compatibility: Boot Camp? VM Fusionware? Virtual Box? Parallels? Those all let you run any PC program.
by solitare_pax October 20, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
I still think BLU-RAY is the Betamax of the 2000's. Just hyped up way more.
by woreiter October 20, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
Yes, the price is high, but so is the quality. Yes, there is no Blu-Ray.. never had to use it personally. As for programs, the main gripe I have isn't so much with Apple as with MS. Have to use Office.. Mac Office drives me crazy (particularly Excel) thank goodness for Parallels. As an educator we have been Apple, went to PC's in the late 90's, still miss the reliability, but not the program issues (Apple and Education didn't mix well for several years). Now that more and more is web based the big issue for us is cost. The Apple lease is 40% more over 4 years. Use my Macbook Pro daily, but also need my PC. REMEMBER PLEASE!! it is just a tool.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
blu-ray is extremely nice but i dont see the use of it in comps. on tv's yes. that's what a ps3 is for.
though apple significantly made the screen so much better,
by goodspeed8701 October 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
This hardware will milk your cash. Beware apple tax is included.
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by ckh1272 October 20, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
But obviously not you. After all, bulls don't make milk. They make a lot of chocolate though, then they expect everyone to say that it smells like roses. Sound about right?? How's that Microsoft tax working out for you or did you yell "yaaarrrgh matie" and get it for free?? The silly silly comments are about.
by Dalkorian October 22, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
@ckh1272, I really do respect your desire to make sure every troll in the world is well fed. Really, it's admirably noble.
by vakous October 20, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
apple is the epitome of stylish and trendy favoritism, It's sad to see as a college student, students will go out of their way and budget to buy a mac, when they are barely scraping by.
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by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
I was a good decision for me. Bought my 12 inch powerbook in 2003 and use it to this day. I was previously on a 3-year PC upgrade cycle.. and the way I see it.. that little guy saved me a lot of time and money. The only thing I've done is upgrade the RAM and purchased a new battery. It currently gets over 4 hours of battery and is a great all-purpose "netbook"...
by Synthmeister October 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
Oh the humanity of it all. Someone should write an opera. Mackido or Mac the Knife or MacBeth or something.
by Synthmeister October 20, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
Sounds like a geek tragedy.





(credit to Dilbert)
by gofalcons October 20, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
whats your point ballmer troll, ive got pcs that are over 10 years old and have never needed parts so whats the big deal, you still overpaid if you bought it to last......heck, i see dells and hps over 10 years old working away every day.....
by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
gofalcons,

My point? It was that my 6-7 year old computer is still relevant... it runs 10.5 flawlessly with only a RAM upgrade. It has a crappy G4 processor and only 32 mb video ram... and yet.. it runs 10.5 with all of the eye-candy.

Can your old PC(s) run Vista? Win 7?
by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 11:24 AM PDT
stylish and trendy is for women and gay man.
by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
@ ballmerisanape-yes it can.
by DrtyDogg October 20, 2009 12:49 PM PDT
@Ballmerisanape: Yes I'm running the RC of Windows 7 on an 8 year old PC right now. Hows 10.6 working for you on that laptop though?
by streamline35 October 20, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
@ballmerisanape

Yes, I have an old 1.5GHz pentium 4 that runs win7 RC with no problem. Bet you can't say the same with your G4 and the latest OSX
by shycelticwitch October 21, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
@DrtyDogg... you're lying... and I am not the only one who knows it. LOL. BS BS BS, there are no 5 year old PCs that will run W7 efficiently. MS said so.
by GSOgymrat October 20, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
You know what perked my interest? The SD card reader. I've always been amazed iMacs didn't have one built in because I use it all the time.
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by Synthmeister October 20, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
One cool thing about the SD slot is that you can set up a complete boot OS on an SD card. Great for backup or troubleshooting.
by antipopsuperstar October 20, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
@Synthmeister I have to say that is pretty sweet. Kind of like the evolution of a Live CD. :)
by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
Hadn't thought of that.

1. Insert disk

2. Drag System Folder to disk

3. Eject disk and put in wallet ;)
by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
yea you can do that with 7,i installed 7 from a flashdrive on an old pentium4 sony vaio
by ballmerisanape October 20, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
tektaktyks ,

welcome to the present.. we've been doing it for as long as I can remember. You can even boot one computer off of another.. for example... you can connect a macbook to an iMac.. and boot the iMac from the macbook... Comes in handy when troubleshooting hardware.
by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
@ ballmerisanape "troubleshooting(overpriced,perfect,last for ever,top of the line etc) hardware"? strange.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 20, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
sd cards are the future. they will be carrying movies in HD when blu-ray dies. apple is thinking about the future. though i would like to see one in a mac pro.
by streamline35 October 20, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
Well ballmerisanape, I guess you would need to boot off other computers alot when you can't boot off the CD drive, considering how often the slot loading drives on Macs go out
by ckh1272 October 20, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
"@by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
@ ballmerisanape "troubleshooting(overpriced,perfect,last for ever,top of the line etc) hardware"? strange."

@tektaktyks--You really should get over yourself. The fact is that the feature mentioned is very handy. Besides, if it was Win7 feature, you would be proudly touting. Because it is not, you get all bent out of shape about it and criticize others.
by ckh1272 October 21, 2009 12:01 AM PDT
@tektaktyks--Sorry for my error. You can do that with Win7(external booting). Better late than never I guess (by about seven years or so).
by myles taylor October 20, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
I'm pleasantly surprised! Way to go Apple!
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by Frederikrooms October 20, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
about what? A new curve in the case and an extra port?
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 20, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
@Frederick...
you obviously need to read up
http://www.apple.com/imac/
by solitare_pax October 20, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
So close - but no cigar for me yet. I don't intend to replace my little 1.66 ghz Mac Mini until they make one at least 3.3 ghz. Still, the specs are very nice, especially now that $799 will get you those 4 GB of RAM you used to have to add in.

Maybe a refurb - although those go very quick...
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by myles taylor October 23, 2009 11:02 PM PDT
You should do some research on the new i7 Processor. Also, since these machines have multiple cores, before Snow Leopard they weren't even able to harness all of their processing power. What do you need a 3.3 ghz machine for? If you really need something that powerful, maybe you should get an iMac. But the i7 is an amazing processor and the slower versions blow the faster versions of the older processors out of the water. Throw in SL and you'll have a pretty speedy machine.
by douggdangger October 20, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
I find it laughable that people base their computing needs on the device "looking chic".

LOL!

I built my PC based on the best hardware I can find for as little money as possible. My computer and OS are rock solid and don't need to have something white, shiny and a glowing fruit sticker to feel that I have a "good" computer.
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by cvaldes1831 October 20, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
Oddly enough, Apple owners rank at the top of every single relevant customer satisfaction survey: computers, operating systems, online music stores, smartphones, MP3 players, tech support, you name it.

Can money buy happiness? Perhaps in some situations, it can.
by b_baggins October 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
And yet I bet you buy a car based partly on chic, and your furniture partly based on chic, and your audio system partly based on chic, and your house partly based on chic and your clothing partly based on chic.

Apparently, chic is a factor in every purchase except computers.
by Perry_Clease October 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
It it is more than looking chic, my Mac and OS are also rock solid. The two are not mutually exclusive unless you can only think in black and white.
by Seaspray0 October 20, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
@cvaldes. since he built it himself, he is his own tech support as well and probably not interested in satisfaction surveys of the OEM's.
by myles taylor October 23, 2009 11:03 PM PDT
@seaspray it would also exclude him from almost any relevancy, since he, like most CNet commenters, are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to computers.
by CCCCnetttt October 20, 2009 10:31 AM PDT
CNet's lead in to the link for this article is just silly and unprofessional: "Apple fires a shot across Windows 7's bow with a slew of product updates, including new iMacs, Mac Minis, and a refreshed MacBook." Apple updated its hardware, Windows 7 is an operating system. Computers that run windows 7 get updated all the time from their respective manufacturers. You can even run Windows 7 on these apple computers.

No need to drag Apple versus MS into this story. It is just trying to stoke the fire and get some click throughs by adding something to the story that isn't there. It is enough work to wade through the comments from both sides to see if there is anything of value to be added; when the writers and editors start using the rivalry for their own benefit then it just increases the amount of trash we have to wade through and lowers the value of CNet as a brand.
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by Seaspray0 October 20, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
You make a good point. The title attempts to pit hardware against software. Good catch.
by baconstang October 20, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
That point is true. But do you really think the timing of the release in coincidental?
by gerrrg October 20, 2009 10:34 AM PDT
Not sure about a $1000 home server. Seems kinda overpriced.
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by cvaldes1831 October 20, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
Go look at Apple's webpage on the Mac mini server. It's clearly designed to be a workgroup server, not a home media server, hence the inclusion of Snow Leopard Server.
by DrtyDogg October 20, 2009 12:51 PM PDT
Ubuntu and a 1TB HD is a better deal, and more future proof.
by blueshore October 20, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
It is quite a nice starter server for a small business or for test environments, yet it might move some load (with the exception of the SATA drives). Building a Linux server might be cheaper and somewhat more flexible, but their target are small shops what has little support and basic skills. Kind a catch-22 for use as a home server: you can use it, but if you have the skills and understand how a home server works, why bother to get this one? The main appeal is this is a unpack, plug and use kind of workgroup server, perhaps as a emergency infrastructure solution or for proof of concept.

On the other hand, it might be a beachhead approach, the same way the Mac mini was for intro Apple into the low budget market.
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