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October 14, 2009 6:00 AM PDT

Refresh rate, motion blur a nonissue on modern LCDs?

by Eric Franklin
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DisplayMate's testing lab during the LCD evaluation.

(Credit: DisplayMate)

I've been testing LCD monitors consistently for the past two years. In that time, I've run various tests designed to evaluate a monitor's response time. I've used games, movies, and the occasional scientific test to confirm if a manufacturer's claimed response time is accurate.

To be perfectly honest, I have a very difficult time seeing motion blur in movies and games. In fact, I'm not sure I've seen it any repeatable evidence of it on a modern monitor during a game or movie.

So it should go without saying that DisplayMate's recent findings on LCD response times come as no big shock to me. The findings come via an article by DisplayMate founder Raymond Soneira.

Here are Soneira's major conclusions based on tests conducted by DisplayMate on LCDs from major manufacturers.

1. A manufacturer's claimed response time specifications are not a scientifically accurate or a meaningful indicator of picture blur.

The motion blur DisplayMate measured on the HDTVs tested was more than 40 milliseconds. According to the article, this is more than a factor of 10 greater than the manufacturer's published specifications.

2. LCD manufacturers have made a big deal about refresh rates in the last couple of years with the jump from 60Hz to 120Hz and now 240Hz. CNET's own David Katzmaier suspected that benefits with the jump to 240Hz were dubious already, but here's more evidence to back it up.

According to the article, regardless of whether the HDTV in question used a 60Hz or 120Hz refresh rate, there was no visually detectable difference in motion blur performance. The same held true for features that purportedly lessened the motion blur effect, like strobed LED backlighting and motion enhancement processing.

3. While DisplayMate found considerable motion blur while using in-house developed test patterns, motion blur was not visually detectable in real live video content during the extensive side-by-side testing.

Soneira concludes that "with only a handful of minor exceptions, whenever blur was seen in live video we always found it to be in the source content or a temporary visual illusion that disappeared when the segments in question were reviewed. This is undoubtedly due to the way the brain processes and extracts essential information from dynamic and complex moving images. It's very easy to think that you see blur when you're looking at lots of fast action on a single TV."

4. As a result of these findings, Soneira recommends the following. "If you stick with the mid- to top-tier models from the reputable brands, you should ignore response time specifications, not worry about LCD motion blur, and don't spend extra for 120Hz or higher refresh rates, strobed LED backlighting, or advanced motion blur processing."

Soneira adds, "These results and conclusions will surprise many technically-savvy consumers and videophiles because there has been so much talk about response time and motion blur. Like plasma "burn-in," some of this is just old information or echoes from all of the LCD marketing brouhaha. It's also very easy to think that you see blur when you're looking at lots of fast action on a single TV."

Keep these findings in mind when shopping for your next LCD monitor or HDTV; however, always remember that regardless of what any article says, your eyes should be the main dictator of what you buy.

Even though I personally can't stand the effect 120Hz refresh rates have on movies, there are some who prefer it over 60Hz. So if you're buying a TV so that your movies have that "filmed on video" look to them (blech!), then 120Hz will still be a viable option for you. Also, note that games were not tested during the evaluation so your mileage may vary there.

The full article is available here and as are related articles here. All are very much worth reading if you're interested in LCD displays and the technology behind them.

Eric Franklin refused to write a bio, saying, "Why are you bothering me about this bio business again? If I wanted people to know more about me, I'd send them to the Inside CNET Labs Podcast" (shameless plug). E-mail Eric.
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by chrkeller October 14, 2009 6:09 AM PDT
Easy solution, buy plasma. Superior quality at a cheaper price and non of those issue apply. Also before anybody goes there, burn-in on modern plasma sets isn't an issue. I game on my plasma 20 hours a week, zero problems.
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by Harlan879 October 14, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
Plasma has great quality, but they're energy hogs. They'll likely be unavailable in California soon. And the quality of LCD, as this article notes, is rapidly catching up with plasma. As the article says, motion blur is a nonissue with modern LCDs. The only real ways plasma is better are color gamut and black levels, both of which are being addressed with LED backlighting. Eventually, OLED, SED, and similar technologies will make the whole issue moot.
by chrkeller October 14, 2009 8:14 AM PDT
I agree eventually LED will overtake plasma in picture quality, but that day isn't here yet. Plasma at the moment is just cheaper and superior. The energy costs isn't a big deal, not when the TV is 1k less in price, it will take quite a long time to make back that 1k in energy costs with a LED.
by kormiko October 14, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
I agree with Plasma in being far better than LCD ... plus they have cut down on energy in the past year to be similar to LCDs. http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/

Of course, LED is even lower in power consumption, but they are also a lot more expensive right now and they have their own first gen issues. OLED will be even better than simple LCD with LED backlight, but it will be awhile.

People who can't tell the difference between LCD and Plasma are people who watch reality shows on their Vizios and watch movies in 120 Hz that make film look like video. Faster Hz is good for Sports, News, taped sitcoms and games, not film.
by george_liquor October 14, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
Plasma burn-in is not a myth! I have a fairly new Panasonic plasma, and have seen firsthand the effects of leaving a static image (a DVR logo in my case) on the screen too long. The effect is cumulative too--leaving a static image up for only a couple of minutes at a time can still have a lasting effect. Fortunately, the burn-in can be remedied by displaying a random picture, like static, for a couple of hours, but it's a waste of electricity and it shortens the life of the TV. Frankly, had I known this beforehand, I probably would've opted for an LCD.
by kormiko October 14, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
@george_liquor: Burn-in is different from image-retention. Burn-in is permanent, but image retention goes away.

The first 100 hours (first month or so of viewing) of a new Plasma TV set is important for users to watch full screen (non-letterbox, non-4:3) with brightness not set at high. This moves the phosphors of the plasma display so that it makes it more difficult for image retention to occur. Plasmas now even have pixel shifters that help with this. After that first month or so, you should be okay. After the first year, it shouldn't be much of an issue at all.

Plasmas of today can last anywhere from 60,000 to 100,000 hours before noticing a significant decrease in brightness. That lasts longer than CRTs. That is equal to decades of normal use. If you ran it for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, it would still equal to around a decade. By that time, there will be new technology anyway that you'll want to switch.

Taking care of a plasma for a better picture is fine to me, but most people don't have the patience or even care.

http://askville.amazon.com/Panasonic-immune-safety-features-built-prevent/AnswerDetails.do?requestId=12466505&responseId=29457845
by george_liquor October 14, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
Whether you call it image retention or burn-in, static images can very quickly impact the picture quality of a PDP. You have to be much more careful with a PDP than you would with an LCD or even a CRT.

I really hope OLED or a similar technology comes along soon, and buries both LCD and plasma.
by Josh BSN October 14, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
meh... I bought a panasonic 50pz800u a year and a half ago, I didn't do anything special the first 100 hours, and I've never had any issue. Same from everyone I know who owns a panny plasma. Sure its just below a dozen people, but not one of them has had a problem, and only one of them took any precaution about tickers and whatnot for the first 100 hours.
by sussexj October 14, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
Hey Josh BSN great tv! I got that exact same model last year and i love it! No issues with image retention or burn-in and the picture quality is so beautiful. To this day ill watch a blu ray and just marvel at the picture quality as if the tv were brand new!
by deniceels October 14, 2009 9:07 PM PDT
it will vary user to user, but in a hot climate like Singapore, Malaysia in SE for example, the heat generated by plasma is unbearable, even if you leave it on for a couple of hours (2 or 3). This, in contrast to temperate climate, SE countries heat will shorten plasma tv life much faster. Thus, it is really subjective. Furthermore, plasma, although is cheaper, for the same dimension, LCD tvs are much cheaper (for slightly smaller ones, same size ones, only barely marginal), even if you factor in energy cost, the cost saving from plasma will be gone way before even 4years is up due to high electricity cost, need to have it cooled.
by markdoiron October 15, 2009 3:40 AM PDT
I know there are a few plasma screens that address this, but every advantage in picture quality the remainder have over LCDs is lost immediately when you see a window, lamp or whatever reflected on the screen. The few plasmas that have an anti-reflective coating lose the cost advantage over LCDs. --mark d.
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by Cnetseal1 October 14, 2009 7:00 AM PDT
I am not positive but I thought I read that some of the new 3-D technology for PC's (like nvidia's boards) required an LCD with 120Hz. And if you are going to sometimes use your LCD TV as a "sometimes" gaming monitor, then there may be a need for the 120Hz feature (other than the refresh rate's effect on movies).
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by george_liquor October 14, 2009 12:56 PM PDT
120Hz on an LCD TV is not necessarily the same as 120HZ on a computer monitor. The TV has to accept a 120Hz signal from the computer in order for Nvidia's 3D to work, and most currently accept 60Hz signals only.
by sussexj October 14, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
Hey Josh BSN great tv! I got that exact same model last year and i love it! No issues with image retention or burn-in and the picture quality is so beautiful. To this day ill watch a blu ray and just marvel at the picture quality as if the tv were brand new!
by goatfinder October 14, 2009 7:31 AM PDT
great article..
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by Chao_Sama October 14, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
A blogger who really knows what he's talking about...what is the world coming to.

Nice Article... I agree the benefits of 240 hz are difficult to see even to an trained eye.
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by October 14, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
The author of the article wrote "Even though I personally can't stand the effect 120Hz refresh rates have on movies".

I was under the impression that on 120Hz displays motion interpolation (TruMotion, MotionFlow) was a separate feature that could be disabled, so that having a 120Hz display did not automatically mean that you lost the ability to allow film-like reproduction of material.
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by stuntman_mike October 14, 2009 1:04 PM PDT
That depends on the TV. Samsung, for instance, offers the two as different settings, while Sony, and most of the LCD makers for that matter, give you only an all or nothing option. Want the 120hz? You have to have the "blech" too smooth dejudder processing as well, unless you buy a Sammy. I can't remember who, or if, any other manufacturer has a separate dejudder and 120/240hz refresh rate options.
by blusky08 October 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
This information is inaccurate. There is a separate setting for dejudder on Sonys (Auto 1, Auto 2, Off).
by Vesicant October 14, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
I never see motion blur on CRT TVs but I see it all the time on any kind of LCD, although I tend to think it's really something to do with blockiness, not 'blur' as such.
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by madhousesb October 14, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
i'll throw out my 120hz lcd when 24 becomes a factor of 60.
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by bmgoodman October 14, 2009 1:52 PM PDT
Don't forget LCD's problems with off-axis viewing. "Big Picture Big Sound" had this to say recently: "We started out in the very specific 'sweet spot' of the LCD, and frankly there was little difference between the two displays. But moving just one step to the side exposed significant shifts in the color of the LCD, worsening the further I moved. " http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/led-lcd-vs-plasma-hdtv.shtml.

Then look at this article that includes some pictures that show just how bad it gets: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349242,00.asp.

If you dig around online a bit more, you will find that this is a problem with nearly *all* LCDs, even at high price points.

As for plasmas sucking electricity, I have two points. First is that proper adjustment of the set drops the electricity usage markedly, because out-of-the-box settings tend to be in "blow torch mode" (WAY too bright) to compete on showroom floors with LCDs. Second point is that plasma makers have made strides recently in lowering electricity usage.
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by SteveRBoston October 14, 2009 3:39 PM PDT
This is definitely good info, especially for one that isn't too tech savvy. I just gave advice to a friend to not get sucked in by the latest and greatest, in other words, don;t go spending $3000 on the latest LCD/LED technology. In the end, trust your eyes.
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by hawke47 October 14, 2009 6:55 PM PDT
I have a question for Mr. Franklin and/or Mr. Katzmaier.

Do OLED screens have an off-angle viewing concern similar to that of LCD (standard/LED-Backlit/LED-Edgelit) screens?

Anyhow, since OLED screens are uber expensive right now, I was thinking of buying a Plasma and was also curious if CNET has a Plasma-initial-and-long-term-maintenance cheat-sheet similar to Mr. kormiko's instructions below?
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by FordGT06 October 14, 2009 7:25 PM PDT
120Hz looks perfect in film after you are use to the fast refresh rate; its easy to say that if you are use to watching 60Hz all your life and then seeing a better picture with twice the refresh rate. You have to own a 120Hz LCD to appreciate it...It looks amazing in fast paced action movies and everything else, its like you are there. Watch the Dark Knight on Blu-ray on a Samsung 240Hz LED TV and tell me it doesn't look good?!
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by jonderda October 14, 2009 11:36 PM PDT
Thank you for clearing this up! I always get this quizzical look when I tell people I prefer LCDs with the 120Hz processing turned off. "But doesn't it make sports look better?" is the first question out most mouths.
120Hz and 240Hz can create a you are there effect on content like the Planet Earth Blu Ray series, especially on those long and slow panning shots but on movies...well it can make Casablanca look like Days of Our Lives. It does nothing but make sports look worse IMO.
Also thanks for pointing out that the eye or brain retains images. Just wave your hand in front of your face in a fast back and forth motion and the "image" blurs. It's our brains that need 240Hz MotionFlow processing, not our HDTVs.
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by markdoiron October 15, 2009 3:41 AM PDT
Thanks for the article. Whenever I'm browsing Best Buy and I happen to see the two comparison TVs with the 60-Hz and 120-Hz refresh rates, I wonder why I can't pick up any difference. Now I know why. --mark d.
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by genghis-ron October 15, 2009 11:33 AM PDT
60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz, LCD, LED are all band aid measures for a flawed technology and the public has been duped. LCD can't even get the off angle viewing issue resolved and for some reason people are willing to pay nearly double for an HDTV that makes everything look like soap opera video. Plasma is half the price for twice the picture. Burn in and image retention are not an issue unless the owner is a complete moron and leaves a static image on the screen with the set on VIVID (Cape Cod Lighthouse mode) for days on end. And the, "well it sucks more power than an LCD" is a non-starter. If you leave a plasma on 24-7 it might increase your electrical bill by a bag of chips and a six pack of pop every month. And if you don't agree then ask yourself why the CNET reviews use a plasma as their reference for the base line on which all tv's are judged.
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by genghis-ron October 15, 2009 11:35 AM PDT
60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz, LCD, LED are all band aid measures for a flawed technology and the public has been duped. LCD can't even get the off angle viewing issue resolved and for some reason people are willing to pay nearly double for an HDTV that makes everything look like soap opera video. Plasma is half the price for twice the picture. Burn in and image retention are not an issue unless the owner is a complete moron and leaves a static image on the screen with the set on VIVID (Cape Cod Lighthouse mode) for days on end. And the, "well it sucks more power than an LCD" is a non-starter. If you leave a plasma on 24-7 it might increase your electrical bill by a bag of chips and a six pack of pop every month. And if you don't agree then ask yourself why the CNET reviews use a plasma as their reference for the base line on which all tv's are judged.
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by erock1974 October 15, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
I also dislike the "dejudder" on my Samsung 52" 120hz. With that turned off, though, the "video" look goes away in film-based sources (as others have pointed out). Hah, I haven't tried Casablanca with dejudder on, but I can imagine it looks terrible!
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