Forza 3 hands-on: Never underestimate the power of a British accent

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2009 is suddenly a holiday of racers. If you don't believe that, consider the trifecta that have been unleashed upon us already: Need For Speed: Shift, Dirt 2, and Microsoft's holiday tentpole Forza Motorsport 3. All of them promise realistic physics, blazing speeds, and tons of customization, but NFS: Shift and Dirt 2 are multiplatform, while Forza Motorsport 3 is an Xbox 360 first-party exclusive. For my money, though, I'll take Forza 3. After playing all three, the newest Forza has, surprisingly, won me over--not with realism, but with fun.

I say surprisingly because "simulation racers" generally lie in a calcified place among the hearts of the mainstream gamers: the hundreds of factory-immaculate car models and pitch-perfect world racing circuits, along with the endless class licenses and intricate engine tune-ups, can turn most gamers off completely. Right here in the CNET offices, I told a colleague I was playing Forza 3, and that I actually enjoyed it. "Really?" he asked, somewhat disbelieving. It's assumed that Gran Turismo and Forza will be inaccessible to those who don't appreciate racers, just like Madden often erects a wall between NFL fans and gamers and the rest of the world.

I am a casual racer, and Forza 3 sucked me in.

Its first success was employing a calm British man to talk to me. Much like LittleBigPlanet, a gentle voice of authority (although in this case, not Stephen Fry) welcomed me, showed me the basic ropes, and told me everything was going to be all right. Rather than worry about detailed car controls and under-the-hood tinkering, a simple press of a few A and B buttons got me right into a season-long circuit of races. The voice tutorials gently tailed off naturally, until I had the ropes completely. Suddenly I realized that I had been playing for several hours, and was itching to complete just one more race challenge to unlock more credits. That's when I realized that, fundamentally, Forza 3 is a success.

From a pure car enthusiast's perspective, I'm not sure any game other than Gran Turismo 5 can do any better. Car exteriors and interiors are immaculately rendered, and the 60-frames-per-second graphics make animations and the entire racetrack environment look hyperreal. In fact, some of the racing landscapes are so detailed that they begin to look more arcade-like than photorealistic. Car damage accumulates with even small car scuffs, and by the end of most of my races my vehicle was a chipped-up, hood-dented mess.

Interiors are also second to none.

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Another newcomer benefit is the purist-angering rewind, which will take you backwards in five-second chunks to whatever previous point in the race you'd rather play from, in the event that you suddenly slam into a wall during a hairpin turn. It's a useful tool and has its benefits, but also incurs no penalty for using it. I didn't mind, but the hardcore will most likely have it disabled.

The real achievement in Forza 3 is the feeling of visceral fun that driving these vehicles brings. I like the Gran Turismo series, but over the years (and especially in the new PSP iteration) I've started feeling like I'm helming a simulation as opposed to driving a car. Regardless of the vehicle I drove in Forza 3--even the crappy low-powered ones that I had to slog through in order to get fancier rides--races were fun, not mechanical. I credit this to good race balance and impressive car AI, both of which made most races exciting throughout. On the other hand, racing circuits did begin to feel a little repetitive after a few hours. It takes a while to build up credits to buy cars (or earn wins to get gifted cars), and while there are a stunning 100 tracks in Forza 3, it felt like a lot of them were set in a number of repeated settings. Still, the track count and vehicle list (400 cars) dwarfs the collection found in Forza 2, and even requires a second packed-in disc to download some of the data to your hard drive.

The closest I'll come to owning one of these.

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I haven't even mentioned Forza 3's car painting studio, car-stunt video recorder, or online multiplayer, but these are great bells and whistles to what's already an amazingly deep product at the core. It'll be a long time before you're done playing through all the content on these discs.

Need for Speed Shift was celebrated for its return to realism and its well-designed racetracks, but I just couldn't find myself returning to it after Forza 3. Dirt 2, on the other hand, has the sort of Tony Hawk dirt-punk presentation and arcade-challenge structure that might appeal to a completely different type of race fan, and its rally physics place it somewhere on a spectrum between an improved Sega Rally and a realistic version of the chaos found in Sony's Motorstorm. Forza 3 is pristine and elaborate, but it's also a game that you can step into without apprehension. Just trust the friendly British man who isn't Stephen Fry.

[shellcodes_coder]

Not available for Windows!!

[superjay77]

This game is the hotness. I've been playing the demo for like the whole month. Can't wait to get this when it comes out.

[titolajko]

"In fact, some of the racing landscapes are so detailed that they begin to look more arcade-like than photorealistic." What does this mean. The whole idea is to look as real and photorealistic as the real track. Most tracks are based on real life tracks so I dont get how they could look any different . I like forza and I own both systems but the graphics could be better.. It looks like a video game rather than real footage. Forza 3 producers always brag about millions of polygons on the cars and all that but if you look at GT5, the cars look better. GT5 never mentions the polygon count and all that but the proof is in the pudding. Speaking of graphics, even though the cars look great in Forza3, the background and the tracks look cartoonish. There is a clash between how the track looks and how the cars looks, Gt5 nails this. Itnever feels out of place, you dont question it. In Forza3, I ask myself the same question when I was playing Forza2, "what happened to the course, it does not look that great.. Anyway, my impression.

[douggdangger]

It's actually the other way around with claims to "polygon" counts. Polyphony keeps bragging about how many weeks it takes them to render a car.

I've played the GT5 demo and the graphics look worse than Forza 2. The controls are horrible and the PS3's trigger button don't work as good as the 360's.

Sony fangirls also brag about GT5 having more than twice as many cars as Forza 3. That's great if you want to buy 50 Nissan Skylines with identical specs. What's the difference? 50 different COLORS.

I'm not impressed with the GT5 demo. It looks and feels like GT4 for the PS2. I'll pass on that.

I'll stick with Forza.

[superjay77]

I stopped playing Gran Turismo after GT3. Worse racing game ever made.

[brumtech]

That's weird, I didn't know Forza 3 was out yet. Do you have an early copy? Or, are you jumping to conclusions based on the demo? It is called a demo because it is not the final version of the game. I thought that was obvious. Anyway, my impression.

[scottyrob]

At least with the Forza 3 demo you don't have to pay $40. I was never as let down by a game as much as Gt4. It Polyphony 4 years to make an exact copy of GT3. Then my best friend let me borrow Forza and that was it. The physics, online play, and damage had me hooked. Then Forza 2 came along and I won't stop playing it until 3 comes out. GT5 Prologue just felt like a prettier version of 4 which means it was like a prettier version of 3. 900 cars would be great if 75% weren't either copies or useless. 20 Integras? A Bentley Azure? An effing Honda Oddysey? Forza gives you cars that you want play with. And to think of it 3 Forza games have come out between GT4 and GT 5 and they all have received great reviews and awards. Sorry GT better luck next time.

[roger8090]

u answered your own question

[neoscopic]

I downloaded the Forza 3 demo recently and cannot wait to buy the full game. The controls, graphics and overall presentation are excellent.

Cartoonish or not, the Forza franchise continues to build on its technical achievement thru cutting edge graphics while maintaining the 60fps benchmark. The PS3 has yet to deliver this level of graphical performance from any racer at this detail.

I'd like to mention that I too have a PS3 and an Xbox 360. Although I enjoyed GT5 (Prologue) for the PS3, the game is lacking in far too many areas to be considered a better game than Forza 2 or 3.

First, GT5 suffers from framerate inconsistencies / judder when there more than 3 cars involved in heated battle (Particularly in turns). This results in unnecessary frustration when poor framerate interrupts actual gameplay. Simply put, unless a game runs at 60fps, it should not even qualify for a top rating both graphically and gameplay.

Online execution of GT5 is dismal. Forza multiplayer is intuitive and deep! Although I have not been able to play Forza 3 multiplayer, I can only assume that it will be equal to or better than that of the previous version.

Finally, on the topic of simulation, when you cannot perform a 360 burnout, a game should not be considered a simulator. Sorry GT5 fanboyz but not being able to execute a basic 360 from a stop position is not my idea of simulation.

[kewell82]

GT5 (Prologue) is pretty much a beta demo that you pay for. So your argument is invalid until the final product is released. I mean how long ago was GT5 (Prologue) released? Answer: One year and a half ago. When that came out it blew peoples minds and it's not even the full version. When GT5 gets released in March 2010 it will make Forza 3 look like crap.

Game, set, match.

[kewell82]

One other thing: Look at the images above, they look cartoonish.

[iroq321]

i agree, GT5P is lacking way too much to be considered a good racing game, however, it was never marketed as such. it is just a demo/beta. however, this beta that was release over a year ago already looks better than Forza 3 graphically. also, it doesn't seem fair to be comparing this to GT5P as it has been a while since it was released and not even the actual full version at that, so in March 2010 when people compare GT5 and Forza 3, you guys can't call it unfair.

[neoscopic]

Game set match...um, if it takes Sony this long to flip a demo into a complete game, the tournament was over long ago. GT5P blew peoples minds because it was the first and still the only decent driving game on the PS3. Forza 2 was better than GT5P in every aspect IMO.

I like Geat games regardless of the console (especially given that I own both).

As realistic as GT5P might pretend to be, it lacks 60 fps, capacity to execute a simple 360 burnout and perhaps the worst online experience for a racer.

Hopefully, Sony will build on GT5P and improve the framerate, controls and online experience. Unfortunately, it might be a while (March 2010) till we know 4 sure. That is unless Sony charges us another $50 for GT5PP (pun intended).

[colbycheese3]

by kewell82 October 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT

lol gt5 was supposed to be one of ps3's opening games! how many years ago was that? 4!! the game keeps getting delayed and may look great but doesnt feel great. i have the prologue and it looks perfect but to be honest id prefer to have some pictures of cars as they are fully realistic, the game physics are absolutely terrible and any real racing fanatic will see the game for what it really is. TERRIBLE!!

[Byteme2009]

I have been holding off on buying a 360 until the pricing got better, or a game came along that was an exclusive that really caught my eye, and Forza 3 might be the selling point for me. One thing though, as someone who has not played a demo of it, I saw some game footage of crashes and it seemed like although the cars took some damage it looked like it was nowhere near a realistic representation of what would happen to your car at the speeds shown. I haven't had a chance to read but a couple of reviews, and none said whether you could crash your car hard enough in one go to completely cripple it. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Is the damage more cosmetic than realistic on the handling side?

Cheers

[neoscopic]

I have played the demo with cosmetic damage only but if the setting works like Forza 2, I should be able to increase damage to impact driving characteristics.

Consider that GT5 doesn't even have cosmetic damage.

[kewell82]

It is mainly cosmetic. The car will never be crippled enough to where you can't drive it, but it will have worst performance. It will start to drift from left or right or the engine won't accelerate as fast. You never get a flat tire. That's about it.

[kewell82]

neoscopic do your research. GT5 "does" have cosmetic damage. But I'm not sure about damage to impact the driving characteristics.

[iroq321]

@ neoscopic

wrong. GT5P does not have damage, GT5 will have vehicle damage and, if the impact is hard enough, cars will flip.

[Byteme2009]

@ neoscopic & kewell82

I used to enjoy the Gran Turismo games, but hated the lack of damage aspect. I was excited about the Forza 3 game, but that would be my concern - I still wouldn't consider the damage 'realistic' if I can crash head-on into a wall at 100 miles an hour and then still drive away. I used to have a game (and this is going waayyyyy back to the Amiga or Atari 1040st days) that was a formula one simulator and if you crashed hard enough, that was your race over. I guess I want that level of realism and it doesn't sound like Forza has it. Still looks like a great game though. Thanks guys for your responses

[bobbyfly16]

If you want a game with realistic damage, than try Burnout Paradise. If you crash into a wall at high speeds, its going to turn into a pancake. (Except for the downloadable cars, for some reason they don't have realistic damage.)

[umcrouc0]

I haven't played the full version of 3 but in Forza 2 you could completely cripple a car if you hit a wall hard enough. I don't see why they'd remove that from this version so you should be able to do the same thing here. For small damage it mostly changed your speed and handling ability, or the car pulled to one side. But if you were going fast, lost control, and hit a wall or another car really hard, it would cripple the vehicle. It was more frequent that you'd be able to really slowly drag the car along, maybe at 10 mph or so with it pulling completely to on side. But you can fully cripple it in one shot. Anyone who says you can't doesn't have the game.

[colbycheese3]

i think one reason it is cosmetic ish is because the manufacturers of the cars will not allow there cars to be damaged to pulp as it looks bad for the manufacturer. many games have had realistic damage. loook at the v8 supercars series, the reason they were fine was because they were based on just racing cars so it was alright. this is just a guess btw lol

[douggdangger]

I also hate the blatant bias against American cars in the Gran Turismo games.

In Gran Turismo, you'll have Vipers and Vettes understeering straight out of the turn and crashing into a wall while you have cars like Honda Civics taking a turn like F1 cars.

It's funny because since it's supposed to be a "simulator", they can't simulate the reality of Vipers and Vettes being one of the best handling cars on a race track, the Nurburgring in particular.

[arch_s13]

blatant bias?

have you noticed that the new corvette is on the box cover on the gran turismo psp? also, the inside line ad for the gt psp actually showed the corvette passing the gtr and the ford gt40 so i don't think i would call them 'biased' against american cars at all..

maybe you just suck at gran turismo... and if you've driven Vipers and Vettes in 'real life' particularly in the Nurburgring... then props to ya because i never did that in 'real life'

[Ricochet44]

I've enjoyed Need for Speed Shift a lot. I played the Forza demo and wasn't really amazed.

But I guess I'll have to get the game and see first..

[TheHBK23]

Ummm, Need for Speed was never realistic or even tried to be.
I think this is what will lead people to love Forza. The fun. GT5 will probably be a great looking game, amazing number of cars and tracks and all of that. But it touts itself as a driving simulator. Well Forza seems to be stepping up to be a racing simulator with a good AI set and also remembers that it is a game first and foremost, and games need to be fun. Lets see what GT5 does different this time or will it follow the Japanese trend of sticking to what has worked in the past?

[make_or_break]

I suppose Forza 3 wins by default, since GT5's release date was again pushed back, this time to March 2010. NFS: Shift is a nice upgrade for the NFS franchise, but its physics still seem rather anemic compared to GT5 Prologue. Dirt 2 has been enjoyable, but feels very canned and arcade rather than a racing sim. Most everyone was expecting a Forza 3 vs. GT5 war this Christmas, but thanks to Sony it's not happening again this year.

BTW: you can take this FWIW; I was told by someone who markets PS3 products that one of the MAIN reasons why the Gran Turismo franchise hasn't had crash damage is because of the licensing agreements that the franchise has in place with the automobile manufacturers. The story goes that many of them DON'T want the virtual versions of their cars compromised in the modeling any way, whether performance-wise or in bent bodywork. According to my contact, that hasn't changed for GT5. But now that Sony has added WRC and NASCAR to the game, those areas CAN be modeled for damage, under the guise that racing and crashes go hand in hand (the Blu-ray preview trailer I watched at the Sony Style store show a crash-damaged WRC car, but the Sprint Cup cars in the trailer seem to conspicuously free of any bent sheetmetal).

[douggdangger]

"by arch_s13 October 12, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
blatant bias?

have you noticed that the new corvette is on the box cover on the gran turismo psp? also, the inside line ad for the gt psp actually showed the corvette passing the gtr and the ford gt40 so i don't think i would call them 'biased' against american cars at all.."

WOW! They put the car on the cover! Maybe because they're trying to make the game appealing to where they're selling it.

So what if the car is on the cover. But when you play it, the car is mocked by handling and running worse than a Japanese econobox. Please, do better next time.


"maybe you just suck at gran turismo... and if you've driven Vipers and Vettes in 'real life' particularly in the Nurburgring... then props to ya because i never did that in 'real life' "

Maybe because Gran Tursimo sucks. I don't have a Viper or a Vette. I do have a RWD V8 American car and I do stomp on ricers on or off a track. Yes, even tracks with turns.

[x2142x]

@kewell82

First and foremost, you sound much like a Sony/Gran Turismo fanboy to me. Also, while you can't completely total your car in Forza (Although my F430 can only go about 10-15 mph after a bad crash), it's better than GT5P where your cars bounce. I mean seriously, was bouncing the best thing Polyphony could think of? Freaking bouncing? I don't know what their thinkin but since I have a 360, I preordered Forza and unlike you guys waiting for GT5, I'll know when to pick it up.

[douggdangger]

Also in Gran Turista, if you take a turn too fast, all you have to do is slam into the wall and and just keep going and you'll take the turn without effort.

Forza has engine swaping and drivetrain changes. Not GT. I bet Polyphony will COPY that.

[FIREitUP913]

Wow, I am not a fan of either Forza or Gran Turismo but whats up with all the Gran Turismo 5 attacking? I mean GT5 is not even out yet for a fair comparison. I just see all these xbox fans loathing Forza and attacking GT5 and you know what? Its because its the ONLY AAA exclusive that has released for xbox360 all year. PS3 fans have been enjoying Killzone2, MLB The Show 09, Infamous, Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls and soon Ratchet and Clank while all 360 owners had was 60$ Halo expansion packs. Now finally Forza 3 comes out and 360 fans have been desperate for a AAA exclusive and they have not been able to talk crap about ps3 since ps3 has been dominating in games all yr - so here comes the storm, one AAA exclusive all yr and the fans are talking crap. PS3 has released 4 AAA titles, soon to be 5, this yr (Killzone 2, MLB The Show, Uncharted 2, Demon's Soul, and Ratchet and Clank). Xbox360 fans please direct your anger to MS for selling you a faulty system with ultra expensive add ons and pay for internet and almost no exclusives in 2009.

[neoscopic]

If you want to improve on the cartoon look of F3, change the color / picture settings on your TV. Going from Dynamic to Cinema worked on both my XBR4 and Z4100 series sony LCDs.

GTP5 might look great but the poor framerate and specifically the drops when in a turn with more than 3 vehicles takes away from the gaming experience.

Also, someone else mentioned the Sony PS3 controller. I agree, unlike the 360 controller where I can play comfortably for hours, I am unable and have been unable to setup the PS3 controller to the same degree of comfort.

The only solution is a driving wheel setup...

[KingJames2132]

Thank u FIREitUP913 u took the words rite out y mouth. Listen up 360 fanboys, stop hating on the playstation 3. U and i both know that the ps3 is a better console than the 360 period. FIREitUp jus gave yall 5 AAA titles that the xbox360 dream they had, espically Uncharted 2, hell Uncharted:Drake Fortune makes 360 games look like crap. And when GoW 3 releases next yr, 360 fanboys will be crappin in there pants wishing they had a ps3. Now ill give it to yall when project natal releases next year sony will be in a heap of trouble but well jus have to wait and see, now wont we. GT5 will be better that Forza 3 in every way possible. PS3 IS THE BEST CONSOLE SINCE THE PS2, mark my words.

[colbycheese3]

lol and we're the attackers? i havent even heard of any of those games lol and anyways isnt GoW on both consoles..... my mates have it. sony went into a deficit when making the ps3 thats why they took out the ps2 part of it then made them slim to make people by them again. xbox 360 atleast have an enjoyable online and although u may pay for it at least its great!. i mean if u had the money wud u prefer to go buy a nissan gtr( or any car u fancy) or get a piece of **** for free. good things cost money thats realistic.

[KingJames2132]

Thank u FIREitUP913 u took the words rite out y mouth. Listen up 360 fanboys, stop hating on the playstation 3. U and i both know that the ps3 is a better console than the 360 period. FIREitUp jus gave yall 5 AAA titles that the xbox360 dream they had, espically Uncharted 2, hell Uncharted:Drake Fortune makes 360 games look like crap. And when GoW 3 releases next yr, 360 fanboys will be crappin in there pants wishing they had a ps3. Now ill give it to yall when project natal releases next year sony will be in a heap of trouble but well jus have to wait and see, now wont we. GT5 will be better that Forza 3 in every way possible. PS3 IS THE BEST CONSOLE SINCE THE PS2, mark my words.

[neoscopic]

Funny how the Sony Fangirls can't admit that every game available on both consoles just happens to look better and play better on the xbox360.

Button smashers like the GoW series are OK but the BEST exclusive title for the PS3 is Little Big Planet PERIOD!

The uncharted game is nothing more than Lara Croft without the sex appeal...or better yet, like putting lipstick on a pig.

KingJames2132, I will mark your words with the same highlighter you've ben sniffing.

[SkinBintin]

Listen up PS3 fanboy, stop hating on the Xbox 360.

Both consoles are great. Both have their good points, and their bad points. Honestly... who cares? If you are a real gamer, you've already got both. If you don't have both, you AREN'T a REAL gamer.

Stop spouting off dribble about the PS3. It's not the status symbol you wish it was.

[FIREitUP913]

neoscopic, sniffing a highlighter? If you think Uncharted 2, which has a 97 on metacritic, is nothing more than an tomb raider rip off then you my friend are sniffing all the highlighters. If you are calling God of War a button masher then you never played it period. And as far as multiplats looking better? Um no, my Call of Duty 4, Batman AA, and GTA look better on ps3 and everything else is the same. Thats all 360 fans use now, "BUT BUT BUT XBOX HAS CROSS GAME CHAT AND MULTIPLATS ARE BETTER ON XBOX!!!", Yeah ok, back in 2006 and 2007 some games looked better on xbox, but thats now over so move on please.

[SkinBintin]

Yeah, move along! Your arguments are fruitless.... because no one really cares.

Personally, I'll be getting Forza 3 on launch day, and will play it until Gt5 eventually comes out. Because thankfully I have owned both consoles since launch. I don't need to hate either console... instead I just enjoy the best of each! :)

[douggdangger]

"If you think Uncharted 2, which has a 97 on metacritic, is nothing more than an tomb raider rip off then you my friend are sniffing all the highlighters."

It is nothing more than a Tomb Raider rip off. Guy running around ancient archaelogical sights with guns fighting off pirates? Sounds like Tomb Raider to me.


"If you are calling God of War a button masher then you never played it period."

I have played God of War on the PS2 and it is nothing more than a button masher. It doesn't take any intelligence to play the game.


"And as far as multiplats looking better? Um no, my Call of Duty 4, Batman AA, and GTA look better on ps3 and everything else is the same."

Wrong. GTA runs on higher frame rates and higher resolution on the 360, NOT on the PS3. The PS3 version of GTA also had tons of bugs while the 360 version was flawless. Assassin's Creed and Madden runs better on the 360 while it's choppy as hell on the PS3.


"Thats all 360 fans use now, "BUT BUT BUT XBOX HAS CROSS GAME CHAT AND MULTIPLATS ARE BETTER ON XBOX!!!", Yeah ok, back in 2006 and 2007 some games looked better on xbox, but thats now over so move on please. "

Funny how the PS3's price drop, they're still not flying out of store shelves. Despite the 360's rrod, it still continues to outsell the PS3. Slit your throat please.

[scrubbingbubbles]

Really? All of these arguments are flawed because they are YOUR opinion....which mean all of dick.
And you say with price drop 360's still outselling PS3?
http://www.videogamer.com/news/september_npd_2009_ps3_beats_wii_and_xbox_360.html
The FACTS say otherwise....and the FACTS say that its outselling the Wii as well....when was the last time the 360 did that?
Check your FACTS sir. Not what you THINK might be true. Because YOU sir....are a failure at this game we call life.

[FIREitUP913]

douggdangger,

Nope sorry, Uncharted is nothing like Tomb Raider. FAIL. Uncharted 2 is being honored as the best game this generation, sorry you miss out 97 on metacritic, Any 97 xbox only games on metacritic? NOPEEEEEE sorry bro you fail miserably.

If you think God of War is a button masher you are delusion, plain and simple.

Funny how when ps3 was 500 bucks it was outselling xbox360. You do know that since ps3's launch it has outsould xbox360 worldwide right? Another epic FAIL. Ps3 is outselling xbox by almost 100,000 a week, another FAIL

And yes GTA4 does look better on ps3. Go visit the IGN review, they note how the ps3 version looks better. FAIL again.

[douggdangger]

"Nope sorry, Uncharted is nothing like Tomb Raider."



Tomb Raider had a character that explores ancient places looking for loot and solving secrets while solving puzzles and killing bad guys. So you're telling me Uncharted is nothing like that?





"If you think God of War is a button masher you are delusion, plain and simple."



I've played it, and it is a button masher. Nothing special about that game.





"Funny how when ps3 was 500 bucks it was outselling xbox360."



Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! PS3 debuted at $600 and nobody bought it after the Christmas launch. They were rotting on store shelves. Even as we speak, the $300 PS3 are still rotting on store shelves. PS3 outsold the 360? The 360 is still MILLIONS ahead of the PS3.





"And yes GTA4 does look better on ps3."



According to who, Stevie Wonder? Review after review puts the 360 on top. The 360 was perfect since day one while the PS3 REQIRED A PATCH. 360 runs on higher resolution and twice as many frames as the PS3.



Writing "fail" numerous times doesn't make you "right".

[CNET editors' note: Personal attacks deleted]

[douggdangger]

BTW, the 360 is getting GTA4's expansion pack. Sorry sony, it's not coming to your system. LOL!

I'll still get to enjoy upcoming Valve games. Not sony. Valve wouldn't even touch your system.

Have a good day! ;-)