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AMD's new ATI Radeon HD 5800 3D cards first to market with DirectX 11 support

by Rich Brown
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Update: Reviews from Anandtech, HardOCP, HotHardware, MaximumPC, and PC Perspective are all live. Nvidia's dual-chip GeForce GTX 295 card outperforms the Radeon HD 5870 on most tests by a noticeable margin, so AMD can't claim that the Radeon HD 5870 is the fastest single-card solution. The good news is that new Radeon does outperform Nvidia's best single-chip card, the GeForce GTX 285. The dual-chip GTX 295 is also a $499 card with no DirectX 11 support. The Radeon HD 5870 goes for a more reasonable $379.

AMD introduced its ATI Radeon HD 5870 and Radeon HD 5850 desktop graphics cards Tuesday evening, beating rival Nvidia to the marketplace with the first DirectX 11-capable products. As DirectX 11 is the Windows 7 version of Microsoft's code for linking up hardware with, among other things, 3D game software, winning the race to launch is a significant boon to AMD's efforts to market its new cards. It also ensures that even if few games will actually use DirectX 11 at launch, Microsoft can claim that the graphics hardware is ready to support one of the major new features of its new OS.

Expect a whole family of Radeon HD 5000 series cards to come to market over the next few months, but for now we get two cards, the $399 Radeon HD 5870 and the $250 Radeon HD 5850. AMD says it plans to ship 500,000 chips in the fourth quarter, but it also anticipates high demand will strain retail supplies during the first few weeks after launch. On the system builder side, AMD said that one large OEM has claimed the majority of the first round of Radeon 5800s, so the cards will also be scarce from other system builders, at least early on.

AMD's new ATI Radeon HD 5800 series graphics card.

(Credit: AMD)

Dropping its chip manufacturing process from 55 nanometers to 40 nanometers in the Radeon HD 5800 series has let AMD ramp up the speeds and feeds of its new chips impressively over those of the Radeon HD 4800 series. The transistor count in particular has jumped from 956 million on the old design to 2.15 billion in the new model. AMD also claims an uptick from 1.2 teraflops of processing power to between 2.09 and 2.72 in the each of the new cards.

Technical specs of the two new cards, in brief:

Radeon HD 5870

  • Number of GPUs: 1
  • Teraflops: 2.72
  • Memory: 1GB DDR5
  • Memory clock speed: 1.2GHz, 4.8 Gbps
  • Core clock speed: 850MHz
  • Stream processors: 1,600

Radeon HD 5850

  • Number of GPUs: 1
  • Teraflops: 1.2
  • Memory: 1GB DDR5
  • Memory clock speed: 1GHz, 4.0Gpbs
  • Core clock speed: 725MHz
  • Stream processors: 1,440

We'll check in with the enthusiast community once their reviews post to get an idea of the new Radeon's performance, but AMD claims an average performance advantage for the new cards between 30 and 50 percent over their price-competitive counterparts from Nvidia. Those raw performance gains also fail to account for the variety of new features that come with AMD's new chips.

We've already reported on AMD's Eyefinity multimonitor technology. You'll need to wait for a special Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity card to come out "soon" before you can support six monitors as depicted earlier, but AMD says both the standard Radeon HD 5870 and the Radeon HD 5850 can support up to three monitors, each running at 2,560x1,600, a resolution common to 30-inch displays.

We're unclear whether you can run four or more displays today via two Radeon HD 5800 cards in one system via AMD's CrossfireX multicard technology, but the single card option has six DisplayPort outputs, and will require either six DisplayPort-capable displays or a series of expensive DisplayPort adapters. To span a game across even a 7,680x1,600 (three displays at 2,560x1,600) setup, the game will have to support generous resolution and aspect ratio settings. AMD says it has confirmed more than 100 PC games that can support its Eyefinity technology (yes, including World of Warcraft), but it offered no performance data or sample configurations that would ensure smooth gameplay at its highest claimed resolution of 7,680x3,200.

DirectX 11 support is the Radeon HD 5800 series' other major feature, which has implications for both 3D graphics and graphics chip computing, although perhaps not immediately. DirectX 11 comes with a variety of new 3D programming effects for game developers, and AMD points to its ATI Stream technology for how its cards will take advantage of the graphics computing component of DX11, called DirectCompute, for such tasks as game physics effects, video file transcoding, and other parallel processing chores for which graphics cards are well suited.

The challenge for AMD is that it likely won't have DirectX 11 support as a unique advantage for long. Despite rumors of manufacturing difficulties, we give at least decent odds that Nvidia will announce its next-generation cards before long. Game developers will also have to put DirectX 11 features into their games in order for any vendors' DirectX 11 support to provide more than a marketing benefit.

We expect PC games will adopt DirectX 11 features incrementally throughout the next several months. AMD cited games like Aliens vs. Predator, Dirt 2, and others adding DirectX 11 support soon. Even if the games are slow to come, we anticipate the new cards from AMD will have an immediate performance gain in current titles. The question for prospective card buyers will be how long to wait to see what Nvidia has in the works.

Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by JackMomma September 22, 2009 10:13 PM PDT
FINALLY!
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by choctawfootball September 22, 2009 11:44 PM PDT
I hope Nvidia can strike back hard with DX 11 gpus in the $100 - $200 range
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by choctawfootball September 23, 2009 12:02 AM PDT
and it aint looking good if Nvidia new GT300 chips are getting less than 2% yields.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-under-2/
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by shellcodes_coder September 23, 2009 1:21 AM PDT
just what I had been waiting for...but it's gonna be NVIDIA that I will be going for not AMD/ATI
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by pablouk1 September 23, 2009 5:10 AM PDT
Looks great but we all know that Nividia will release a card that will blow these mid range cards out of the water, unfortunately the Nividia will cost just under the debt of Great Britain for about 6 months.
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by Absolution2009 September 23, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
Yeah I'm still waiting for nVidia. ATI is great but meh, never really liked their software drivers.
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by rhbrown September 23, 2009 8:25 AM PDT
Tough crowd. I'm surprised the Radeon 4800-series hasn't earned ATI more benefit of the doubt.
by brandonh33 September 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
I think most people were turned down by the 4800's benchmarks. The specs were promising but the higher end Nvidia cards all benched higher. I was really excited when I saw the specs for these two cards but after looking at the compared FPS tests it seems this card came out a year too late.

Nvidias refresh cant be too far away, and my guess is that the newer models will as usual be a vast improvement. As long as the prices arent too outrageous, third party builders such as EVGA will bring the price down quite a ways. We are already seeing GTX 260's for $150.
by brandonh33 September 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
I would just like to add something I just found in one of the reviews. The idle temp is said to be around 30 C, which is quite reasonable. When the card is working however, it gets up into the mid 80 C's. I dont know speak for everyone but that is way out of my comfort range. Hopefully this will be solved with a third party cooler.
by hiphophawley September 23, 2009 8:42 AM PDT
I still run a GTX280 Nvidia card and can run everything on the highest settings. These new cards can't be that much better than the last generation of cards!
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by rhbrown September 23, 2009 8:57 AM PDT
Reasonable point. I'd only keep in mind that new games will offer more bells and whistles as far as physics and visual effects that will eventually challenge your old card. It might take a while, although according to AMD the ramp up to DX 11 features will be faster than it was with DX 10. We'll see, but it's certainly possible that your GTX 280 is fast enough to meet your needs until next year's GPU refresh.
by JackMomma September 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
wrong. look up the benchmarks... its neck and neck with the GTX 295... this card is absolutely amazing. and as for the 4890 stacking up against Nvidia cards, its the price point! 4890 is neck and neck with the GTX 275, it has more memory, and its a good $30 cheaper on average! ATI may be known for their 'sloppy' drivers, but dont cry about it until you see these new cards... the NEW most powerful single GPU card in the world.

ps- I currently run an NVidia 9800GTX... but not for much longer!
by champloo23 September 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
from what i have read on other sites is that 5870 card performance wise beats the gtx 285 15-25 fps more and is a couple of fps behind gtx 295. considering this is a single gpu card that uses less power is worth getting. the other plus about this card is that a 500 watt psu is sufficient to power the card not like the gtx 295 that requires 650w + with 46amps+ on the rail meaning that u dont have to upgrade your psu if you have a 500w psu. the only negative i have noticed is that if you plan on getting 3 displays one of those display has to have a display port. i havent been able to locate a lcd that supports a display port connection.
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by bawkbawkboo1 September 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
Stream technology can also be used for distributed computing projects if you donate to those. I'm happy with my Nvidia GTX 260 for the moment.
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by Tod Smith September 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
No support.

I won't even review until there are at least 10 good games released with DX11.

Maybe this time next year!
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by sillyhermitcrab September 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT
wait wait wait...the update said that the GTX 295 still outperforms the 5870.DUH!you're pitting a dual gpu against a single gpu!the 4870x2 beat out the 5870 on benchmark tests too!and then its followed up by "but!the 5870 did beat out the single core GTX 285!"OMG,WHODATHUNKIT!next gen vs. last gen...are you frickin serious?!how about we WAIT for NVidia and ATI to roll out their flagships AND THEN put them head to head?yes,im sure a 5870x2 vs a GTX300 whatever they've got coming is the PROPER way to actually put the claims and capabilities to the test!
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by amirault0 September 23, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
I think this going to be the same as the last cards. ATI will hold the performance crown for a little while(4870x2), then Nvidia will come out with something better(gtx 295)
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by AppleSuxLeo September 23, 2009 7:17 PM PDT
I hate Crave...now I want to upgrade my "lowly" 4850 Radeon ;)
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by Yelonde September 23, 2009 8:51 PM PDT
Suddenly, my Radeon 4850 HD seems very outdated :(
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by streetballerz September 24, 2009 2:27 AM PDT
hey people...5870 is a single gpu based card and it belongs to its cypress range(whos price range would be around 300-400$)....

just wait for its high range variants(code name HEMLOCK)...
price range would be around 500$+...

And lower range version juniper and redwood which would be reasonably price...

every one talks about nvidia but i like to support the under dog..:-)
healthy competition is gud...dont you think...
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by shankarintheshadows September 24, 2009 8:15 AM PDT
oh **** .. i got 4870 .. i could hav waited for few months :(
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by tipoo_ September 24, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
2.7 Terraflops from a single chip card is INSANE! Compare that to the measly 16 gigaflops of an mid-range Core 2 Duo processor, or the 54 gigaflops of a Geforce 9400GT.

Now, lets have a dual chip card and put it in CrossFireX mode!
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by metathias September 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT
I believe this information should be corrected
Radeon HD 5870
Memory: 1GB DDR5
Memory clock speed: 1.2GHz, 4.8 Gbps < Pretty sure this is 4.8GBps. (thats 4.8 GigaBytes per second)
Radeon HD 5850
Memory: 1GB DDR5
Memory clock speed: 1GHz, 4.0Gpbs <I dont even know what this means =) again im thinking GBps
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