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September 7, 2009 9:00 PM PDT

Intel's new Core i7, Core i5 desktop chips bring faster CPUs to the mainstream

by Rich Brown
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Update: Individual chip reviews are up around the Web, and the consensus seems to be universal admiration for the new Core i7's, and Core i5 especially, in terms of performance, value, and power efficiency. Scroll down to the bottom of this post for links to coverage from some of our favorite enthusiast sites.

Intel put itself far ahead of AMD technically last year with its Core i7 desktop CPUs, but the high-end prices for the Core i7 900 series made Intel's most advanced chip architecture more of a luxury than an industry standard. Monday's announcement of Intel's new, more affordable Core i7 800 series chips, as well as an even cheaper Core i5 CPU, will likely lead to Intel's most advanced chip penetrating the mainstream retail market.

Intel has three new chips to announce, as well as the new Intel P55 Express motherboard chipset to support them. The new Core i7's include the $562 2.93GHz Core i7 870, the $284 Core i7 860 at 2.8GHz, as well as the $196 2.6GHz Core i5 750 chip. Each is essentially a stripped-down version of its counterpart from the Core i7 900 series, the most affordable of which, the 2.66GHz Core i7 920, starts at about $280.

The technical sacrifices in the new chips are relatively minor. The new Core i7's have a double-channel memory interface, as opposed to triple-channel RAM in the Core i7 900's. That means new Core i7-based PC owners won't have quite as much RAM throughput, but they also save money by only having to buy two sticks of DDR3 at a time, as opposed to three with Core i7 900.

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The sole Core i5 chip has the same two-channel memory limit, and Intel has also stripped out the Hyperthreading capability. Hyperthreading is an Intel technique that effectively doubles the number of processing threads (adding four virtual threads to the four physical CPU cores) depending on the workload. Heavy multitaskers and those who use multithreaded software will feel the loss here, although Intel's current mainstream Core 2 Quad family, which the Core i5 may replace, has no Hyperthreading either.

To build a desktop PC around either new chip, you'll also need a new motherboard using Intel's P55 Express chipset. We've already mentioned the change to the memory interface. The next most significant change has to do with the graphics bandwidth.

Like the old Core i7-compatible Intel X58-chipset motherboards, the P55 Express boards support multiple graphics cards via Nvidia's SLI and AMD's CrossFireX technologies. The difference with P55 is that you only get half the graphics data bandwidth as with X58. You still get full 16x PCI Express throughput if you use a single card on P55 Express, but install two cards and the graphics slots become two 8x slots, as opposed to full dual-16x on X58.

PC gamers on the cusp of purchasing a mainstream or a higher-end gaming PC may face a conundrum because of the graphics bandwidth limit. But for most price-sensitive gamers, one decent midrange 3D card will provide a more than adequate gaming experience, so the graphics bandwidth limit isn't a major loss for the new chipset's intended market.

So how fast are these new CPUs? We tested a PC from Falcon Northwest Talon with a Core i7 860 overclocked from 2.8GHz to 3.39GHz and found that it competed well against Core i7 920-based PCs that cost about $500 more. You can read the full review here. We also have a $1,300 Core i7 860-based system from Velocity Micro on deck for later this week.

For standalone chip reviews, PC Games Hardware found the Core i7 860 as fast or faster than either the Core i7 920, or AMD's Phenom II X4 965 on most of its benchmarks. The Core i5 even squeezed out a few wins of its own. The other enthusiasts sites haven't posted their coverage yet, and we'll add the appropriate links as other reviews come online, but the early results indicate that the new Core i7 and Core i5 will achieve Intel's goal of bringing its latest architecture available to mainstream consumers in a competitive package.

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Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by McElvis1521 September 7, 2009 9:50 PM PDT
"Intel put itself far ahead of AMD technically last year with its Core i7 desktop CPUs" <br /> <br />Intel put itself far ahead in performance, yes. But, technically? AMD already had integrated memory controller and high speed direct connect bus.
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by slickuser September 7, 2009 10:19 PM PDT
Sure, AMD already had it. so what? Intel version is better performing and beats the crap out of AMD. Why AMD couldn't come up better version?<br /><br />Arab Micro Devices is a one hit wonder. They ONLY once had better cpu architecture than Intel. How long are they<br />going to brag about it?? <br /><br />Dude, their technology or invention or whatever is ancient!
by BeatleMegaFan September 7, 2009 10:41 PM PDT
AMD offers well-priced processors and graphics cards (through ATI) for the budget-minded consumer. While currently, Intel's offerings are the undisputed champions in the market, AMD is still innovating and churning out some great products, such as those new six-core Opterons that should be hitting the enterprise scene soon enough.<br /><br />And because Intel and AMD both hold patents to different elements of chip architectures and designs, both companies are tied to each other. The only possible way to remove that restriction would be in some form of a buyout, unless of course AMD falls apart. Intel could always attempt to merge with them, but then Intel would effectively become the monopoly of the industry that they're already known to be. With AMD and ATI under Intel's wing, NVIDIA would probably suffer directly, and computer/component prices would increase. Not so good for the consumer.<br /><br />My advice? Respect both companies. I've enjoyed great performance from systems built off of multiple chips from the two brands. Intel quad-core chips are a force to be reckoned with, but two years ago I used some high-end dual-core AMD rigs (at the time mind you) at a LAN shop that were pretty amazing. One friend of mine has built a new machine off of one of the new Phenom chips and loves it. No reason to hate one or the other.<br /><br />-BMF
by viper396 September 7, 2009 11:11 PM PDT
@BeatleMegaFan, agree. The competition between AMD and Intel only benefits the consumer. <br /> <br />@slickuser, The only reason you're are even taking sides in this is because Apple uses Intel chips. This tiresome banter from fanatical Apple zealots who blindly take the Apple-centric side is the only thing thats really ancient.
by upuaut September 8, 2009 12:57 AM PDT
to slickuser, what's 'Arab Micro Devices'?
by odubtaig September 8, 2009 3:24 AM PDT
Less than subtle racism. [CNET editors' note: Personal attack deleted.]
by Maclover1 September 8, 2009 5:07 AM PDT
slick user's comment is probably about the fact that an Arab country (country not company) owns a good chuck of AMD these days. Its started with this...<br /><br />http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9818987-7.html<br /><br />and in 2009 they pumped another 8.5 billion into AMD. Without the money from Abu Dhabi, AMD would have either out right failed or sold its name and what was left of it very cheaply to IBM or some other company interested in it.<br /><br />I dont agree with his comment, but technically its correct and speaks to the real trouble AMD is/was in. I am not sure that AMD has made in money in several years now. I wonder how long that country will continue to back them.
by tektaktyks September 8, 2009 5:47 AM PDT
amd chips r great,sure intel have some better ones right now but they r too expensive .im not buying. [CNET editors' note: Personal attack deleted.]
by ckh1272 September 8, 2009 7:50 AM PDT
I agree with some of the other posters. slickuser, even though he is technically right, comes off sounding ignorant with that subtle "arab" jab.
by codynews September 8, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
Geeze, cry more PC babies.<br /><br />@ odubtaig "Less than subtle racism."<br /><br />Got any proof to throw out a "RACIST!@#!" claim? AMD got a lot of cash to stay alive from Duabi, so making a plan on words by changing the "A" to Arab isn't racist. Unless you feel the term "Arab" is negative, in which case look in the mirror before crying racism.
by slickuser September 8, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
Final Words (from Anandtech)<br /><br />I'll start this conclusion with what AMD must do in response to Lynnfield. The Core i5 750 is a great processor at $196, in fact, it's the best quad-core CPU you can buy at that price today. In nearly every case it's faster than AMD's Phenom II X4 965 BE, despite the AMD processor costing almost another $50. Granted you can probably save some money on an integrated 785G motherboard, but if you're comparing ~$120 motherboards the AMD CPU is simply overpriced.
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by danielwsmithee September 7, 2009 11:10 PM PDT
So what is the power usage on these? And what is the time frame for the mobile chip release?
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by bakedpatato September 7, 2009 11:28 PM PDT
Benchmarks from other websites show the i5 750 giving the Phenom II 955 a run for its money, if not putting out tangible FPS benefits vs the 955/965 (try HardOCP, AnandTech). And its only a bit more for a i5 system. <br />AMD will return soon though, Phenom II is beat this round but just like PIII vs Athlon, AMD will get its act together and come back. Or else we as consumers will get it up the you know what because Intel won't have competitive forces to be motivated to make Conroe/Bloomfield/Lynnfield etc.
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by wizardfingers September 8, 2009 12:04 AM PDT
http://www.techspot.com/review/193-intel-core-i5-750/
by akvasu September 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT
any chance of these moving to Laptops ? I lost interest in Desktops long ago what with the number of times I need to shift....
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by ikramerica--2008 September 7, 2009 11:57 PM PDT
Laptop i5 chips come later. I don't think the i7 will go in a laptop any time soon, unless it's one of those "gaming" laptops that is really just a portable desktop, meant to bring the games to the location of choice but otherwise sit on a desk, plugged in.
by Dan_Ackerman September 8, 2009 12:03 AM PDT
Yeah, mobile i7 coming in the not-too-distant future, but only in big expensive desktop replacement rigs -- and as we've talked about before, the over-$1K laptop market is virtually nonexistent today.
by ikramerica--2008 September 8, 2009 12:32 AM PDT
I guess, looking at the timeline on wiki, the Core i7 will have many models, but that's not gospel. I think you'll see some branded as i5 instead, as the i5/i7 means little more than marketing.
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
Wish I had known the over-$1K laptop market was virtually nonexistent before I dropped $1200 on mine!
by ApplerPS3 September 8, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
" the over-$1K laptop market is virtually nonexistent today." wow, i wonder how Apple keeps recording record sales with their Macbook pros. What a dumb statement to say! You cannot generalize like that. You can say: Windows supporting computers are so not worthit, given their performance is never enhanced by a dreadful operating system that people opt for cheaper computers, or continue switching to Apple (im an apple fan, can you tell?lol). But good money is still being paid in the over $1k laptop market (Sony? That company freakin releases new models with a hefty price tag every month, not to mention the upcoming X series).<br />The laptop equivalent to these chip should hit the market at the end of the year, and be included in laptops hereafter. Apple for one, is expected to incorporate these chips in their babies. Core i7+ Snow Leopard= we're talking serious computing power here.
by Fisherman_2 September 8, 2009 1:42 AM PDT
Finally the company remembered that most of people dont have enough money to buy their FUTURE tech <br />first was Sont by announced the ps3 slim microsoft with prices drop down apple with the new upgrade -just 28$- now here is intel with its new powerful desktop chips
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by mccance September 8, 2009 3:53 AM PDT
This was definitely the longest wait so far to have a real reason to upgrade. I've been with the T2 for about two years and now will wait another year-ish for the prices to come down on all this new stuff. <br /> <br />Rob for &lt;a href="http://www.atlantarealestateinfo.com/"&gt;Atlanta Real Estate&lt;/a&gt;
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by williambertram September 8, 2009 4:54 AM PDT
This is technologically innovative, but it won't be attractive to mainstream consumers until it's available in the sub $500.00 desktop and sub $750.00 laptop.
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by sherbisness September 8, 2009 5:10 AM PDT
@upuaut, to try to answer your question, many Muslim leaders have called for a boycott on Israel. Intel has facilities in Israel, research and development, and manufacturing. Since many Arabs and Muslims try to boycott Israeli made products, Their only other choice for CPU's would be to buy AMD. I personally am against this Arab boycott of Israel, thats why I tried to explain the term "Arab Micro Devices", this is the first time that I have seen the term used. The racism goes both ways.
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by cpueng2011 September 8, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
the Arabs ban on Israel is far from racist, with all due respect that just shows how ignorant you are. Israel has destroyed many Palestinian homes in return for Jewish settlements. Last year they killed THOUSDANDS of innocent Palestinians (the total for actual Hamas soldiers was in the low hundreds) as well as United Nation volunteers and Red Cross medics bringing food and medical supplies to the Palestinian citizens. To top it off they committed huge war crimes for introducing a chemical warfare in neighborhoods. This was because Hamas was shooting crappy rockets at buildings that never hurt anybody, and that was because Israel cut off their food, water, medical, and fuel supplies. They were hungry, thirsty, and cold. Israel has a right to defend itself just like we do here in America just like everywhere else in the world, but their cold blooded actions have been criticized internationally by everybody except America. Next time you speak, don't. Research the why behind a what and then if you are truly confident you can do it, then speak. <br /><br />P.S. Israel also wanted to go to war with nuclear Iran but we shut down that plan.
by ckh1272 September 8, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
@cpueng2011--Since some of you have veered of the subject entirely, I have one response to your post. I am by no means defending Isreal, but I thought it was rather convenient that you left of the number of Isreali civilians killed by suicide bombers. Try including all the facts next time and then your point will seem more valid. Just my two cents. Not trying to start a political discussion and I will not comment any further.
by cpueng2011 September 8, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
ckh1272: The reason I didn't want to bring up the # of civilians killed by suicide bombers is because that causes it to be a numbers game. You can take all the innocent Israeli civilians killed by terrorist acts in a whole year and I guarantee you that it won't be anywhere near the thousand mark (unlike the destruction Israel caused in a matter of a few weeks). Try analyzing the facts before you bring them up and you will see how they discredit your argument.
by jr24ds September 8, 2009 3:54 PM PDT
this is a tech article.<br /><br />p.s. isralies are people too!
by cpueng2011 September 8, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
Nobody ever said Israeli's were not people. Saying this is a 'tech article' and then yelling israelis are people too makes you a ... wait for it.. a hypocrite!
by jr24ds September 8, 2009 9:15 PM PDT
whoa man! chill! i was just saying that this article on core i7 processors isn't a place to discuss your opinion on the war in the middle east! i put that last tidbit in there cause you kept going off on the paslistines being so innocent and not looking at the other side! but that's the last i'll say about that!
by DakkonA1 September 8, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
What I'd really like to know is when we'll start seeing the new Windows 7 laptops. I mean sure Win7 doesn't come out until October, but it'll take that long for laptops to be built and shipped after ordering anyway.
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by jonathan614 September 8, 2009 9:18 PM PDT
i assume they will be available near day one, as the operating system is already available to laptop manufacturers.
by BtmnHatesRbn September 8, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
Are these 32-bit or 64-bit?<br /><br />Just wondering, because in 1999, Sega and Hitachi developed the SH-4 CPU, which is actually 128-bit.<br /><br />Also, why are we still stuck below 3 GHz? According to Moore's Law, we should be out running at around 2048-bit CPUs at near 10 GHz.<br /><br />Anyways, while I welcome new CPUs to the market, and hope to combine a few of these into a motherboard, I still think we're way behind the times.
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by colonna September 8, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
how do you not know that they are 64-bit chips? all current mainstream and above desktop x86 compatible (now called x64) are 64 bit. <br /> <br />what does your sh-4 comment have to do with anything relating to the article. transmeta developed and sold a 256-bit processor a few years ago, if you want more information that doesn't apply to the article at all. and that's actually more relevant since it could process both the x86 and x64 instruction set. <br /> <br />you apparently do not understand moore's law. it has nothing to do with a cpu bit depth or frequency.
by moj85 September 8, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
Ugh, another Moore's Law ignoramus. <br /><br />What Moore's Law is: # of transistors doubles on an integrated circuit every 2 years.<br /><br />What it isn't: Anything about bit processing or speed.
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by douggdangger September 8, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
When Israel kills Palestenians, they do so WEARING A UNIFORM in plain sight. <br /> <br />When Palestenians kill Israelis, they cowardly have women and children do the killing for them. They strap bombs on children and mentally disabled people and remote detonate from a safe hidden distance.
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by cpueng2011 September 8, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
Stupidest argument ever. So if members of a gang walked up in their "uniform" in "plain sight" and killed your family (GOD forbid) you would consider this ok. Also, Palestinian children never killed anybody, but when you are ignorant any form of hate makes sense. There is no "right" way of killing innocent people, not with a bomb and not with tanks/unmanned planes/chemical warfare. Thanks for nothing.
by jr24ds September 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
this is a tech article.
by writteininwaters September 8, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Microcenter consistently sells the i7 920 for $199
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by jonathan614 September 8, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
it is right now. if nothing else, they really can't be beat on processor prices. (that store kills me -- there's one right by my bank, and i blow too much of my paycheck there every week...)
by nate0511SrA September 8, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
Thank you for the article about these new chips. Unfortunately intelligent discussion on the article has ceased :(
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by rhbrown September 8, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
While certain branches of this conversation have not yet crossed the line into removal territory, they've drifted close enough to merit a warning. I'd like to remind everyone that we can and will remove offensive comments. I'd prefer it if we kept the discussion as on topic as possible, but I'll settle for keeping it civil.
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by ejschwartz1 September 8, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
Knock, knock everyone. Maybe these are great chips, but until Vista goes away and/or Windows 7 is really ready...who cares? (Sorry, Linux is not for me) I still am running XP, and it does just fine for me!
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by streamline35 September 8, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
Vista runs fine on these chips - vista runs fine just about anything you can buy today. Anyone with a core 2 duo + 2GB of ram, both of which are quite standard these days, should have no performance problems with vista. Vista was just bad performance-wise back when slower processors were standard.<br /><br />That being said, I've traded in vista for win 7 rc, and I like it alot better than vista. The performance difference on my desktop is negligible (core 2 quad, 4gb ram), but it is huge on my netbook (it runs as well as xp does). However, I highly prefer win 7 because of its much improved features: The new task bar + aero is just navigation bliss (compared to xp, vista and osx), and it's driver support is incredible (I haven't had to manually install a driver on anything with an internet connection since I started using it). There are some other nice things about it that I can't think of right now. But anyway, it's what vista should've been. I think it's time you upgraded from XP to the release candidate version (which is good until March, and win 7 is supposed to be out in a month or so I believe)
by Dango517 September 8, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
Hmmm, I thought they had said the had maxed out on speed and more core were in everyones future. Oh, those guys are tricky.
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by viper396 September 16, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
Your comment is irrelevent as it makes it obvious that you don't really know what your are talking about. "Faster" is in terms of overall efficiency and performance, not just clock speed or more cores. There is still alot of room to make improvements in CPU efficiency and performance without simply going to the more clock speed/more cores mentality.
by Jahona September 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT
If I'm right AMD created Hyper threading and then sold the technology to Intel for them to use it on there Pentium 4 chips so that technology is fairly old. as for processor power intel has the lead if you have the cash. AMD is popular in the majority of mid to low price builds depending on the manufacture.
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by norman_yee September 8, 2009 5:21 PM PDT
no, amd never created HyperThreading. that is totally an intel invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthreading). there is rumor that amd may implement something like it in its upcoming bulldozer processor in 2011, but that's just a rumor right now.<br /><br />i think u mean Hyper Transport.
by streamline35 September 8, 2009 9:24 PM PDT
Agree with norman_yee -<br /><br />Also, I don't know where you get the idea that AMD processors are better bang for the buck on the lower end - core 2 duos pretty much held that for a long time, beat out briefly by the phenom II x4s (which were good - unlike the original phenoms), but now it seems that they've been beat out by the under $200 core i5 (it beats out the $250 phenom II x4 in the majority of the benchmarks)<br /><br />Not that I dislike AMD or anything - before building a computer, I always objectively evaluate who is giving me more bang for the buck at the price I want (for both cpus and video cards), and it's just been intel for a while now. If AMD comes out with a better processor for the price, I would happily buy that (if it's when I'm buying).
by jballs123 September 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT
AMD ROCKS Intel...Show me the money...Oh Yeah it's my my pocket! Intel got nothing and AMD RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by streamline35 September 8, 2009 9:24 PM PDT
What a worthless comment
by QA_Tester September 8, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
So far I see a bunch of comments from trolls. At the core of the AMD is Intel architecture. yeah AMD might have some advantages, but Intel has deeper pockets and better brand thanks to their marketing. A buddy of mine used to work for Compaq and he refuses to touch AMD. If AMD is so great why is it loosing money so frequently? yeah it's tough to make money in this business but it's innovation and good marketing that make the business profitable. Obviously AMD doesn't have that combo dialed in right.
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