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No free Win 7 upgrade for most Netbooks -- a good reason to wait until October 22?

by Dan Ackerman
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We recently asked (and answered) the burning question: "Should I buy a new laptop now, or wait for Windows 7?" Much of our answer revolved around the fact that almost anyone buying a new laptop from June 26, 2009 through January 31, 2010 would qualify for a free upgrade to Windows 7. Those upgrades would be delivered via snail-mail sometime after Win 7's October release, and we provided handy brand-by-brand instructions and links for filling out all the required paperwork.

One important exception to the free upgrade fest deserves a closer look -- and that's anyone buying a Netbook with Windows XP (and judging from recent sales numbers, that's a lot of you). The shafting current Netbook buyers take is two-fold.

No easy upgrades for Netbooks
First, you don't get a free Windows 7 upgrade, even to the stripped-down Starter Edition. The only Netbook exceptions are a handful of systems, such as some versions of the Asus Eee PC 1101HA, that run Vista Home Premium.

Second, even if you pony up for a boxed copy of Windows 7, you can't do a direct upgrade (also called an "in-place upgrade") -- a clean install, wiping your hard drive and all its data, is required. That's usually a better way to install a new OS, but those who skipped Vista and its upgrade headaches will face some extra steps in moving their Netbooks up to Windows 7 (the in-place upgrade was an option for going from XP to Vista).

One positive note -- even if you're doing a clean install, you can still use the less-expensive "upgrade" version of Windows 7, rather than a full copy. The installer will check that there's an activated copy of Windows on your system and proceed from there.

Tips for migrating from XP to Win 7
However, Microsoft does offer some help for those who need to save their settings and data before wiping their Netbooks for a Windows 7 install. The User State Migration Tool is a software package that, "captures desktop, and application settings, as well as user accounts and users' files, and then migrates them to a new Windows installation."

That's intended more for IT managers migrating multiple systems, so there's also the more basic Windows Easy Transfer utility. Naturally, your mileage using these tools may vary, and if you get stuck, Microsoft has a handy User State Migration tutorial video here. There are also several third-party solutions available (such as Laplink), some of which are being specifically marketed for the tricky XP-to-Vista move.

Buy now, or wait?
Is this lockout fair to Netbook buyers, who in some ways are providing the only bright spot in an otherwise dismal retail buying environment? And should Microsoft extend more of a helping hand to those purchasing back-to-school Netbooks?

Put more bluntly -- if you're in the market for a Netbook, will you off until after Windows 7 Netbooks start shipping? Sound off in the comments section below.

New York native Dan Ackerman, a former radio DJ turned journalist, has written about technology and music for publications including Spin, Blender, The Hollywood Reporter, and USA Today. He hosts the weekly Digital City podcast and the New York edition of Editors' Office Hours. Dan's new album, Tales Out of Night School, is available now. E-mail Dan.

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by Tedders85 August 25, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
The new Dell Inspiron 11 comes with the free upgrade to Win7. Of course, it comes with Vista Home Premium to begin with. But, its not in the "Mini" line of theirs, but at the same time it has the guts of a netbook. Just thought it might be worth noting ;)
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by Dan_Ackerman August 25, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
Yes, Netbooks with Vista (uncommon as they are) are an exception -- like the Asus 11-inch I noted in the article.
by eric5659 August 25, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
The Dell Inspiron really isn't a netbook. It's considered an ultralite, hence the ULV celeron processor.
by cyclonica1980 August 25, 2009 11:07 AM PDT
I see no purpose in netbooks at this time. With notebooks as cheap as 450.00 with Windows 7 there is no reason to get a netbook. Ultra portable is great, but getting your software and other stuff onto it is a nightmare and a half.
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by zeth006 August 25, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
It may be the case that the advent of notebooks caused your typical $600+ notebooks with decent processors and memory to fall to the $400-$500 range.

I've come to the same conclusion as yours. I was a bit fascinated by netbooks, but changed my mind as I watched prices fall.
by August 25, 2009 9:29 PM PDT
battery life/ portability and not performance is the major netbook advantage in my mind
by Crosby4Life August 27, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
I agree that battery life and portability are the end goals of a netbook. But, my perspective on that is this: what's the point of the extra battery life when the keyboard and screen are too small to tolerate for more than 30 minutes?

My workplace has recently "upgraded" to 13-inch Dell Latitude e4300 laptops, which are hardly considered netbooks by anyone's definition. But even so, I still have to have a full-sized monitor and keyboard plugged into it to realistically use it for more than an hour at a time.

I'd personally much rather have a cheap, full-sized laptop with only 2 hours of battery life than a netbook capable of 5 hours of battery life.

Now, if only PC Laptops would take a page from the MacBook design manual, and make a touchpad that's doesn't make me want to use my laptop as a frisbee....

It's good to dream, I guess.
by vickiVLD August 27, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
I have an Acer Aspire One netbook, I bought it when they first came out. I have had zero problems with loading programs, games ....etc. I bought a little IBM external CD-Rom drive. I am a computer lover and have a couple Macs, and a 15 inch Acer Laptop. The netbook is wonderful and I find I use it more than my big laptop.
by spederson7 August 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
I am currently looking at getting the HP 110 with N280, which only comes with XP. My question is, will this system be able to handle Windows 7? I don't mind waiting a few months if the Netbook I buy today won't be able to adequately run Windows 7.
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by Dan_Ackerman August 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
It should -- our initial Win 7 tests show it works on N270 Netbooks as well as XP -- but not really much faster.
by edchuy August 26, 2009 9:29 PM PDT
Any netbook except those early ones with 512 Mb RAM ought to perform decently with Windows 7. As a matter of fact, I installed the RC on an Asus Netbook and others have suggested it should work out OK. I suggest you upgrade the RAM to 2 Gb, which ought to help you help if you either stay with XP or upgrade to 7. Getting XP Home is not bad at all, better than Windows 7 Starter, IMHO. Unless you want to wait for the newer Atom chipsets to come out or for the prices to come down (with Windows 7 Starter prices that the manufacturers pay to MS for the OS will actually increase!), I suggest you go ahead and take the plunge!
by jlinnins August 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
Considering upgrade to my ASUS netbook from XP to Windows 7. Love the netbook and have a ton of software on it.

Will I have to reinstall it ALL from scratch or does the MS backup copy everything?
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by Dan_Ackerman August 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
Your millage may vary -- and yes, you'll probably have to reinstall the actual apps. Other stuff like network settings, etc. should be saved -- but honestly, that kind of stuff rarely works right.
by Dacroz13 August 25, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
I owe two laptops ( 14 inch Dell and 17 inch HP) and just picked up a Gateway 11.6 " netbook yesterday. I do miss the power of my laptops, but if you travel a lot on foot and go to school like I do, a netbook is a godsend. I think Microsoft is giving most netbook owners a raw deal here but I'm sure they will remedy the situation to make sure they maximize their $. It would be stupid to cut off a whole market segment ( the fast growing computer segment is netbooks) in pushing their new OS.
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by TPSBoston August 25, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
The big joke for anyone even thinking about upgrading a Netbook to Windows 7 is that most (if not all) do not ship with a CD/DVD-ROM drive.

Imagine the hilarity that will ensure when MS and the PC Manufacturers send out shiny Win 7 DVD-ROMs to the people who own these things and were promised an OS upgrade.

Unless MS can provide the OS on a bootable USB Key, this whole idea is as worthless as teets on a bull.

Going out and buying an external DVD-ROM drive is an expense that most people did not factor in when they bought one of these things to being with. Mark my words - only a small percent of the population will endevour to buy an external unit just to do an OS upgrade. In addition, an OS upgrade is an act often fraught with difficulty that the average PC user cannot really handle anyway. (Power users and IT geeks are obviously not included in that last statement.)

Wait till Oct 22 to buy your Netbook! Otherwise, learn to enjoy your outdated eight year old OS (Windows XP) as it will be on the Netbook you just bought for a long, long time.
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by j.standrews August 25, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
First, an external DVD R/W was dirt cheap. I got one for about $60. Secondly, I have been running Windows 7 RC on my Asus 1000HA without any problems. Real simple to install. It is so simple to install these days, compared to years ago when installing an O/S.

I agree if you don't fully understand an installation process, although easy, wait until October 22. Just depends on your comfort level.

As for an eight year old O/S as long as it does what you need age has nothing to with it. XP is an excellent O/S and just because Win 7 is coming out doesn't make it worthless, close, but not totally worthless.
by Dan_Ackerman August 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
That's an excellent point -- you'll probably need to snag a portable DVD drive to install -- only heard of DVD-based installs so far.
by viper396 August 25, 2009 8:13 PM PDT
I would think if someone was intent on installing Windows7 to their netbook they would have already realized the fact that they need a DVD-drive or other method to get the OS installed.

Never the less, it's actually very easy to transfer a Vista or Windows 7 install DVD to a bootable USB key. It's actually way easier then trying to install XP from a USB Flash drive.
by BorisBC August 25, 2009 10:16 PM PDT
I just borrowed a USB HDD we had here at work, copied the RC source files over and let it boot from there. Win7 copied over my old files (but didn't install the programs) and Win 7 runs heaps smoother on my Acer AspireOne than XP ever did! As for getting apps on there, I can't remember the last time I installed something with a cd.
Installing it that way, as others have noted is over 9,000 times easier than the old XP installs!
by cn31672 August 26, 2009 2:52 AM PDT
I just finished upgrading my Asus 1005HAB to Windows 7 Professional. As a member of TechNet, I got the full release already, so I made a bootable USB key and ran the installation. Had to reinstall everything, but I really feel that a clean install is the only way to go when installing an OS. Overall, everything was auto discovered, and the switch was relatively painless.
Search for creating bootable USB Windows 7 and you will find tons of articles on how to do it. Including one produced by Microsoft.
by ohbrian68 August 26, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
Yeah it's nearly impossible to map another computers shared DVD, drive or connect a USB drive.
/sarcasm
by JustAnotherStatistic August 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
You don't even need a usb key to install it. Can't you just torrent the released one once it comes out and use your key? Or just go to any computer with a dvd drive, turn it into an .ISO and chuck it on the network.
by TPSBoston August 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT
ensure = ensue
in my comment above
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by anndeem August 25, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
More specifically,has anyone heard of a non-optical drive windows 7 upgrade for Netbooks?
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by streamline35 August 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
I installed windows 7 on my msi wind using a flash drive. However, it was a little bit complicated to make the DVD image bootable from the flash drive, and it probably wasn't something most people would want to do.
by QA_Tester August 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
I read somewhere that MS dropped support for 16 bit apps in Windows 7 (don't remember where though). If this is true I hope they have cleaned up the code responsible for the support. frankly I don't understand why companies support old technology for that long. According to the info from Wikipedia the 16 bit technology has been dead for a while
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16-bit_application
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16-bit


Maybe if cloud computing catches on enough it won't be necessary at least on end user level
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by heulenwolf August 25, 2009 2:21 PM PDT
Windows 7 is neat but XP runs my recently-purchased Eeepc 1005HAB just fine. I didn't expect any free or discounted upgrades when I bought it for $300 so I don't feel shafted by not getting one. Its a netbook. What's it going to do with Win7?
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by ckb800 August 25, 2009 2:41 PM PDT
What if your netbook has vista basic?
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by 22starview August 25, 2009 3:04 PM PDT
No concern for the purchasers of machines running Vista Home Basic from Microsoft? I know the entry price of VHB machines was attractive. If Windows 7 is as efficient as promised, it would be in Microsoft's best interest to offer a discount on the upgrade to 7. If they don't they will loose the opportunity to earn more money from what would become happy customers. It makes sense soooo....... that will not happen.
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by MrRetardo August 25, 2009 5:28 PM PDT
I bought an Asus Eee 1000HA for use on the road while I work, using it for cases and for accessing the VPN we use to put in mileage & expenses. I wouldnt bother upgrading it to Windows 7 for one stupid reason: Our VPN can only be accessed with the Corporate A/V software installed that we were given and it ONLY works in WIndows XP (they're too cheap to get us a newer one).
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by Dan7637 August 25, 2009 7:26 PM PDT
you buy a machine for what $300 and then expect a free upgrade, be real people
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by bmgoodman August 26, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
Well, in October 2009 if I buy the same netbook for the same $300 and it COMES with Win 7, why wouldn't I expect an upgrade on a laptop I buy in September 2009?
by Yukinagato August 25, 2009 7:51 PM PDT
I have only one major question.

I am currently building a gaming rig. Problem is (obiviously) the computer has no OS so, of course, I need to go buy one. Everything I have heard as to upgrades has always been about computers already created by some corp. or another (Dell, HP, Toshiba, ect.). I haven't been able to find information as to if you buy the Vista Ultimate OS its self if you still get the upgrade or no. It really would be a shame to have built up my rig, and then have it sit around for a month because I have to wait for the next OS to ship ( and those things aren't cheap, and having spent 4K on my comp, i dont have the money to Buy Vista now, and then buy Win 7 a month later).
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by josh81 August 26, 2009 5:07 AM PDT
Put the Windows 7 RC on it. Use it with that until 7 is released.
by viper396 August 25, 2009 8:06 PM PDT
If you buy a 2009 Toyota are you entitled to a free upgrade to a 2010 model?

This perception that you are entitled to a free upgrade to any product just because you bought the current version or model is asinine. Be realistic and consider yourself fortunate if you can get an upgrade.
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by jollygreenguy August 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT
Perfect explanation! I assume your comment was towards bmgoodman. : )

I was about to comment then I saw yours.
by August 25, 2009 9:27 PM PDT
This is the exact reason i haven't purchased a netbook yet. I want win7, know i cant get the free upgrade from xp, so i'm waiting
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by DPRoberts August 25, 2009 9:48 PM PDT
I'm waiting for Windows 7 to buy a netbook. Part of it is the DVD upgrade hassle - I don't want to buy an external DVD drive unless I have to. I'm planning on using a netbook for its intended purposes - e-mail, surfing the web, and basic games. The LACK of an optical drive - along with the under 3 lb. weight, and lower cost - is the main draw of a netbook for me. I'm not the most computer savvy person, but I do use my computer every single day, and I just don't use optical drives. Ever. My only hesitation would be what I would need to do if I needed to reinstall my OS, but it's not worth lugging around a 5 lb. laptop just for that.

Secondly, it looks like most of the major manufacturers are waiting until Windows 7 comes out to release their new models. Since CULV and Ion-based models that run Windows 7 are right around the corner, I want to "wait and see" before buying an Atom-based model today.
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by bluexander August 26, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
With access to MSDNAA as a Computer engineering student I have already upgraded to the RTM of Windows 7 Pro. My tablet PC was running XP, but fortunately you do not have to reformat to install Win7. If Windows 7 detects an older install of Windows it will move the windows folder, the Documents and Settings folder, and the Program Files folder to C:\windows.old. Another point to note is that files and folders directly on the C: drive remain unchanged. So backing up your data is not difficult or time consuming unless you want to completely reformat the partition.
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by bluexander August 26, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
With access to MSDNAA as a Computer engineering student I have already upgraded to the RTM of Windows 7 Pro. My tablet PC was running XP, but fortunately you do not have to reformat to install Win7. If Windows 7 detects an older install of Windows it will move the windows folder, the Documents and Settings folder, and the Program Files folder to C:\windows.old. Another point to note is that files and folders directly on the C: drive remain unchanged. So backing up your data is not difficult or time consuming unless you want to completely reformat the partition.
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