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August 20, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Time to drop the Netbook label

by Erica Ogg
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Can we all agree on something? There's no longer a difference between a Netbook and a notebook. Thanks to Netbooks' move to more features and larger-size screens, the distinction between the two can now be considered little more than marketing speak.

We recently wrote about the fall's coming battle between Netbooks--a category now 2 years old--and thin and light notebooks with consumer ultra-low voltage (CULV) processors. In theory, the value of a Netbook--with its small keyboard, small screen, and lack of an optical drive--vs. an ultralight laptop with a long battery life and a full-size keyboard for roughly the same price was very low.

But now that we're actually seeing how PC makers are packaging and selling CULV notebooks (take Dell's recent introduction of its Inspiron 11z notebook) it's obvious: Netbooks are nothing more than smaller, cheaper notebooks.

Dell Mini 10 netbook

Dell Inspiron Mini 10 Netbook

(Credit: Dell)

The distinction made some sense early on. The first Netbooks were very small, around 7 or 8 inches, and were used for little more than getting online. They were marketed by smaller brands such as Asus and MSI as super portable, inexpensive notebooks that ran Linux, cutting out much of the cost tacked on with a Windows license. But they didn't really take off until Microsoft began offering Windows XP specifically for Netbooks, long after it was no longer available on new laptops and desktops.

The big PC makers, understandably, wanted a piece of the action too, but not at the expense of cannibalizing their budget-conscious traditional notebook lines. So Netbooks were sold as a "companion device." As in, if you keep some of your data "in the cloud" as with e-mail on Yahoo or Gmail or pictures on Facebook or Picasa, and you stream music on a service like Pandora or Last.fm, you can use your regular notebook at home and use something smaller on the road that still affords access to a lot of your stuff.

But then people outside the tech-savvy early-adopter crowd started buying Netbooks in droves--16 million of them were sold in North America in 2008--because they were so much cheaper than most traditional laptops, and with XP, had a familiar operating system. Their popularity, probably not coincidentally, began to grow right around the time the economy crumbled.

Dell Inspiron 11z

Dell Inspiron 11z notebook

(Credit: Dell)

Then, earlier this year, Intel started pushing the idea of ultra-low voltage processors that are inexpensive and offer better battery life. PC makers, of course, like this idea because they can package them in yet more new hardware and can charge a bit more than they would for a Netbook.

Which brings us to Dell announcing its $399 Inspiron 11z. It certainly looks like a Netbook and has a Netbook-like price, yet to Dell, it's not a Netbook. Instead, the company describes it as a notebook with a slightly faster processor, and 1GB of more memory.

Acer says Netbooks "typically" have Atom processors, weigh less than 3 pounds, have screens between 10 and 11.6 inches, and are in the $299 range. HP says Netbooks are smaller than 12 inches and intended as companion devices designed for "content consumption, while the traditional notebook PC is also designed for content creation as well as consumption."

It's clear this is mostly arbitrary. If there were a technical definition it wouldn't be constantly in a state of flux: two years ago, Netbooks would have been defined as something with a much smaller screen, at least as small as 7 inches, and a more expensive starting price.

But it's most helpful to look at one from each category side by side. Let's compare the $399 Inspiron 11z (whose price might go up slightly when the promotion is over) and the Dell Mini 10 Netbook, which I configured with roughly the same specs, but that comes out to a slightly pricier $424.

Notebook vs. Netbook
Here's a side-by side comparison of the specs for Dell's Inspiron 11z and Inspiron Mini 10.
Dell Inspiron 11z notebook Dell Inspirion Mini 10 Netbook
Color Obsidian black Obsidian black
Processor Intel Celeron 723 (1.2GHz) Intel Atom Z520 (1.33GHz)
Operating system Windows Vista Home Premium with free upgrade kit to Windows 7 Windows XP Home Edition SP3
Screen size 11.6-inch HD (1366x768) display 10.1-inch HD (1366x768) display
Memory 2GB memory 1GB memory
Hard drive 250GB hard drive 160GB hard drive
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g 802.11g
Webcam 1.3 megapixels 1.3 megapixels
Battery 28 watt-hours, about 3 hours of life 28 watt-hours, about 3 hours of life
Price as configured $399 $424

Color, screen resolution, battery, Wi-Fi, Webcam? The same. And they both lack an internal optical drive. The differences, though relatively small, can be summed up in the 11z notebook's 1.5 inches of extra screen real estate, a more powerful Celeron processor, 1GB of extra memory, and a larger hard drive. Plus, by getting the notebook with Vista, you have an automatic free upgrade to Windows 7. With any computer with XP, it costs around $100 to get Windows 7 Home Premium Edition.

The specs are so similar that the average shopper would likely be confused as to why one is better than the other. And the way Dell introduced the 11z doesn't clear matters up. Dell's official blog notes that "the Inspiron 11z blends Netbook-like portability with laptop-like capability."

If the specs and capabilities are essentially the same, and the size (both 1-inch thin) and weight (the 11z is 3 pounds, the Mini 10 2.6 pounds) are essentially the same, one of these is not more "portable" than the other. The only conclusion is that there really is no distinction between the devices besides names.

Now, it's true not every manufacturer will sell a notebook so similar to what it calls a Netbook. HP sells Netbooks and ultrathin CULV laptops, as do Lenovo, Acer, and many others. But Dell's blurring of the line between the two appears to reflect the lack of clarity of the whole industry when it comes to how to balance selling more laptops, pricing them attractively when many buyers are pinching pennies, and still finding a way to make some sort of profit.

Because the definition of Netbook is so arbitrary, and because you get so much more for your money with thin and light CULV-based notebooks, it's really not hard to imagine the former flood of Netbooks to the market slowing down to a trickle.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by Sascha_Pallenberg August 20, 2009 4:26 AM PDT
Sorry to tell you this Erica but your article is just completely wrong! I was expecting it already after your first sentence:

Can we all agree on something? There's no longer a difference between a Netbook and a notebook.

Nope, we can't cause Netbooks are sporting screen sizes between 7 and 10.2inch. That's the well known definition of Intel and Microsoft and these guys are right with it.
Guess why you are only seeing MID hardware in these larger platforms? Cause Intel don't want the OEMs to cannibalize their notebook and subnotebook sales.
It's people like you, calling these systems netbooks, which confuses the customers!

"Because the definition of Netbook is so arbitrary, and because you get so much more for your money with thin and light CULV-based Netbooks, it's really not hard to imagine the former flood of Netbooks to the market slowing down to a trickle. "

Holy **** (sorry about that) seems like you are also working for some marketing office :) Ever tried one? Ever even compared it to a netbook? Do you know about the platform and its' performance?
This is just another marketing spin to punish the most exciting market down and it's completely wrong!

My job is to review these products every day. I had about 150+ netbooks in my hand, and many culv platforms. I think the consumer market speaks out very loud, no matter how many other badly reasearched netbook rants we will see appearing.

Kinda shocking to read this article on cnet, cause it just proves that you have no clue about the market.
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by kelmon August 20, 2009 4:55 AM PDT
Apologies but can you please use the word "because" - it's only 2 extra letters and it would make your comment so much easier to read.

Personally, I see no reason for the term "Netbook" to exist. Given that the "Netbooks" have considerably more power than computers that we were perfectly happy to call "Notebooks" years ago the distinction is fairly meaningless and always has been.
by ngngokkiu August 20, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
To all the people who think this article is BS, she is just making a point that lower end laptops are increasing like netbooks, such that the distinction is no longer clear. As netbooks get bigger and laptops get smaller, the difference is starting to narrow. That's all she is saying, and that's a valid point.
by techypanther August 20, 2009 4:20 PM PDT
I agree (except for the cursing) most net-books i see are running windows xp. Also googles chrome os is for net books because it is an internet based operating system. Net-books are for internet browsing on the go, hence the term net book. try running photoshop on one of those things. Even if it has enough processing power i guaranty a smaller screen would make it more difficult to use photoshop. Also that was a terrible comparison, the note book is pretty much a net book.

By the way Net Book= smaller, cheaper because less power (thats why they run XP) note books
by jezzur August 21, 2009 1:51 AM PDT
I mainly read cnet comments sections for amusement - just to see how many completely self-absorbed, nerdy 'know-it-alls' like to respond with painfully worthless comments. Much like this one, I know, but c'mon guys... just buy your apple, buy your little stupid netbooks... who cares? Buy it or don't, like the article or don't. Don't try to trump yourself up as some smarty-pants I-work-here-I-worked-there-I-have-more-info-i'm-f...ing-awesome, wonderful guy, because it is just painful for everybody else, whether they agree with you or not.
by phoenix9744 August 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
I am not sure I can agree that we cant call them Netbooks because they have more power than Notebooks from years ago. That is akin to saying a 6.5 pound notebook should be called a thin and light because they are lighter or at least as light than the thin and lights from years ago. Just because the tech advances doesnt mean the names become moot.

But I really don't see the point of the term Netbook from a pure practical standpoint. As the tech in netbooks has matched that of ultra portables (in some cases exceeded), why then do we need to differentiate computers in the same class into arbitrary subsections? They are all ultaportables in my opinion.
by MadLyb August 20, 2009 4:29 AM PDT
I think NetBook is still a viable category.

Just because some products have crossed the boundary doesn't mean you drop the category, you recategorize those products.

The key distinction for me was the Atom processor, so the 11z is clearly a Notebook, but form factor has to play a little as well and here again, the 11z is really close to 12", so it would be a notebook.
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by jonafc August 20, 2009 4:58 AM PDT
what utter rubbish, i have never read such a nonsense article. you fail to admit the new netbook platforms with n280 atom processor and ion graphics and as somebody already pointed out 10 inch screens, a netbook is a netbook a so called CULV is a way to shift cheaper hardware, bye
by Renegade Knight August 20, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
A netbook is an ultraportable laptop. Same thing. Less price.
by BryanSD August 20, 2009 5:03 AM PDT
To me the difference between a netbook and a notebook isn't the specifications, but what you plan to do with the device. If you only plan to do email, browse the web, social networking, and travel lightly...the odds are today's full fledged notebook is overkill. My Dell Mini 12 netbook with Ubuntu Linix has served me well for this purpose.

Look at it another way. There are a number of media servers and media PCs out there that really are no different in specs than the typical PC. Yet, while the specs may be similar...it's the activity with the device that gives these devices their name.
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by jonafc August 20, 2009 5:08 AM PDT
so u cant do any of that with a CULV, excuse me, huh
by 3tire August 20, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
jonafc, if you would reread bryansd's post you would know that your comment is nonsensical. it has NOTHING to do with what he is trying to say.
by omnichad August 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
It's not even a matter of what you do with it. It's to do with the *reason* for its specs. If you use a slower processor or smaller screen for the purpose of making the item lighter, easier to carry with one hand, and to increase the battery life - you've made a netbook. The specs still enable pretty much any general computing.
by cxar71 August 20, 2009 5:33 AM PDT
I see only a lot of CHAOS. Manufacturers don't have a clear marketing vision about this whole new market, tech experts, journalists and reviewers don't have a clue either... and, least of all, the buyers don't have a pale idea of what they buy, when they buy a netbook (if they actually buy a real one) and what alternative choices they could make instead.
I've been in the IT world for the last 25 years, and have never been so baffled with the hardware market like I am now.
After almost two years of looking thru (virtual) shop windows, I thought I made my mind up and decided that, after all, actually after most of my friends and colleagues getting one, I needed a netbook.
Yes, you know, you need one when you're on vacation and the Internet spot at your hotel is ALWAYS swamped with Facebook teen addicts, and yes, bcuz your smartphone is so uncomfortable to browse with, with it's 3.8" display, wi-fi and hdsupa capabilities.
So, imagine my surprise when, finally starting to look in depth at specs, capabilities and typical use cases, I found out that, due to crappy onboard graphical chipsets, 90% of actual netbooks can't even let you browse Youtube for some streamed video content, and it'll be wise to wait for next year, when generation netbooks will be here, or just for Windows 7 Basic to be installed on actual ones.
I'm not talking about heavy graphical duty applications like Photoshop, or Premiere, I'm talking about the inability to give the user a simple, but thourough, internet browsing session.
After all, I felt relieved I waited until now, more like next year, to buy one, so that I didn't trade 300 bucks for a piece of crap with not much, except the 10" display, than what I already have in my HTC smartphone. With all this fuss and marketing hype, I nearly fell in the ole trap...
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by retnep August 20, 2009 7:19 AM PDT
I actually did fall into the 'ole trap'. I've been in IT for years and I have put together more computers than I can count. I found myself at CompUsa browsing and decided to pick up a Netbook. The Netbook I purchased is an HP Mini that I immediately upgraded to 2 gig of ram. The Netbook came equipped with Windows XP.
While the Netbook 'works', the slow down in doing simple word processing and browser tasks just became unbearable. With a virus scanner running in the background, I started to avoid using my Netbook. I finally decided to ditch Windows XP and try it with Linux. Let me first say that I'm a Windows guy. I have a few dual boot computers but I generally always run WIndows. Dropping Windows and installing Linux, for me, is like going nuclear. However, after I did, it made all the difference in the world. Quite simply, the Netbook does not have the processing power to handle multiple applications working at the same time. The Netbook needs to be renamed to the Linux Machine. It seems perfectly designed to exploit the weakness in Windows and the strengths of Linux. For low end machines, Linux gives you bang for your buck (or no bucks).
by Vegaman_Dan August 20, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
@Retnep:

If you think Linux runs well on a netbook, try Win7. You'll get all the performance you want, and STILL be able to use common Windows apps. It's like the OS was designed for netbooks.
by ikramerica--2008 August 20, 2009 11:44 AM PDT
OSX also makes netbooks fly. Well, OSX plus an SSD. I used the Kingstong V-Series, which is 1/2 as fast as more expensive drives, but still better than a 7200rpm laptop drive for throughput and with much better access times.

The Toshiba Netbook feels like a much more expensive computer now. If only I could get the internal sound to work right. All the Voodoo drivers crackle after waking from sleep.
by Vegaman_Dan August 20, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
@ikramerica--2008:

Putting OS X on a netbook or any non-Apple hardware is a violation of Apple's EULA and opens you up to a civil lawsuit for depriving Apple of $599.99, the price of the lowest entry level Apple computer that runs a full version of OS X. While this is not technically illegal at this time, Apple would surely like to make it so. Apple does not approve or authorize this activity.
by Mattman704 August 20, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
Uh, I'm going to have to echo the comments of the other posters here and call BS on this article. I'm typing this on my ASUS G50-VT 2009 with a 2.66 C2D (easily taken up to 3.0Ghz on both cores) 4GB RAM, and a 9800M graphics card with a 15.4" screen. Uh, yeah. Huge difference. My notebook that defaults to High everything on Crysis is apparently no different than a craptastic Atom powered 1GB RAM integrated graphics Netbook. Really? And no, it's not a "desktop replacement" in terms of size and weight. I can easily use it on battery power and have it in my lap without heating issues on my thighs and the notebook itself. I personally can't get by on a Netbook, because I'm a game and simulation developer and even with an Ion graphics chip, they're still pitifully weak. Didn't mean to come off as hostile here, but this article wreaks of marketing firm payoffs.
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by Sascha_Pallenberg August 20, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
Kinda interesting to read a comment from the opposite angle. And yes, i think you are absolutely right.
by PrntAngel August 23, 2009 8:31 AM PDT
To Mattman and others! Thanks for the info and advice...I am one of those consumers that was about to purchase a "Netbook" from Dell, but something kept telling me to come to Cnet and get some more info. I was really looking to buy this so called netbook, strictly for carrying back and forth to campus, taking notes and Not! specifically for the internet. I was really surprised to find out that these netbooks are really made for "just surfing" what's the use. I too would like to use this equipment for other things as well and would expect it to perform better than is being reported. Frankly, I'm totally against buying it now and would just rather purchase a small laptop instead. It's too bad that I've already spent over $2000 for a laptop that is and isn't portable, I mean I can tote the damn thing around if I have to but it' s coming in at a whopping 8lbs, I have enough trouble packing all the books needed for school, let alone trying to carry that heavy thing too. Oh well, it was going to be a nice gift my husband was going to buy for me for school, too bad, I'm going to have to tell him its just not worth it. Thanks to everyone!
by Evayy August 20, 2009 6:22 AM PDT
The sweet spot is the price and the features. While we have seen bigger screens more features usb add ons as well as prices going upwards. There is a group of folks that size matters. While i did try a larger one i ended up going back to asus 7 inch because of it's size. While some say that is to small, it sure beats trying to surf on a cell phone.
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by lowbar31 August 20, 2009 6:36 AM PDT
Sorry Erica, No agreement. To me the primary feature of a netbook is the size and portability. I can throw my netbook in an overnight bag or the saddlebag of my motorcycle and stay connected on trips. It is an extension of my desktop.
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by zyxxy August 20, 2009 6:42 AM PDT
Over the next six months, battery life is also going to become a defining spec.

You will see reasonably priced netbooks sporting nine to ten hours of active use time and as much as five hours of media playback time for video and perhaps thirty hours for non-net connected audio. The notebook/laptop range is not going to sport those times without some huge expanded battery.

And as others above have mentioned, size does matter. I don't want an 11" screen! I want something that carried easily in one hand. No case, no bag, maybe just a silicone skin.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 20, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
Toshiba NB205 has 8-9 hours of battery, real use. So there you go.
by trboyden August 20, 2009 6:45 AM PDT
I don't know, I think there is a pretty clear difference. If it has an Atom processor it's a Netbook or a Netbox, if it has a Celeron, it's a 6+ year piece of garbage that the manufacturer is trying to unload on unsuspecting buyers. If it has a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad, it's a mainstream notebook or desktop.

It's the same old game every school season, they try to sucker the parents looking to buy their kids a new computer with low prices and outdated hardware. They should be sued for false and deceptive advertising.
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by moneyrules August 20, 2009 6:52 AM PDT
I will still choose netbooks over notebooks any day they simply can be takin any where!
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by QA_Tester August 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
Moneyrules, both netbooks and notebooks can be taken anywhere. By the way to have moneyrules with your spelling and grammar the only place you will make any money is by working at Mcdonalds.
by mkgmkg3 August 20, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
QA_Tester,
The word is McDonald's. It is spelled with an upper case D and an apostrophe. Don't insult another person's grammar and spelling when you can do no better.
by danielz40 August 20, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
@QA_Tester
After "By the way", you need a comma. Your "moneyrules" should be in quotes. After "spelling and grammar", you should have a comma. Ditto on the mkgmkg3 comments.

Bt evry1 b mkn mstakes, eh?
by minzawaung August 24, 2009 12:40 AM PDT
You can take anywhere but useless when there is no internet
Drawbacks
1.You cannot play a simple audio cd/dvd/vcd /karaoke vcd/dvd when you take netbook while traveling a purchace a holiday dvd for viewing while travelling.
2.You cannot multitask ie office edit/presentation wirh multimedia comtent and to edit video content.
3.You cannot upload your holiday snaps since the memory is limited on board net books and not all netbooks support external hard drives and carrying a hardrive with all the cables is cumbersome during travelling.
4.You cannot burn images/video to store and to give it to your friiends while travelling because no opical rw dvd drive built-in.
5.The price are too much for a net book and for the same price i would buy a proper laptop/notebook
I WOULD NEVER BUY A NETBOOK FOR THE ABOVE REASONS AND FOR THE SMAE PRICE NOTEBOOK IS FOR ME
Net book is lioke driving a 3 wheeler with multiple limitations i would rather drive ANY 4 wheeler

min-mza
by rafe01 August 20, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
I think the key distinction is that the netbook is cheap, and has a 10" or less screen, long battery and size to match. The technology inside doesn't matter IMHO - after all a compact car is a compact car be it gas, electric, or diesel - and an SUV is an SUV be it .... you get the point :-)

I have a full size laptop (for work) but prefer the longer battery life and size for taking my netbook on vacation etc. In fact I gave my previous personal full-size laptop away.

My wife, has both too; one for when she is working all day at a client and needs the full size keyboard/screen and performance of a "desktop replacement" type machine and a 3G netbook if she's just visiting for a meeting and just needs to take notes and check mail while out of the office for a short period.

For both of us we find the lack of bulk and weight a distinct advantage, and the performance no worse than with the previous generations of laptops we've owned.

I think both have a place and neither of us trust the "cloud" for our work or personal data so that's not a motivator, and the price of the netbooks mean I've bought one just to take apart and get out the dremel to play with (the aim for me is a 9" keyboard-less "tablet" portable MAME station ;-)
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by ghaff August 20, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
I have to confess that I don't really get the near-religious attachment to netbooks as something separate and distinct that a lot of the commenters show. It's as if the suggestion that there isn't a permanently distinct category of entry-level notebooks were a suggestion that the devices in that category don't deserve to exist--which (for the most part) it isn't.

Sure, today you can point to Atom and say "that's a netbook." But we'll see future iterations of Atom, new Intel ultramobile processors, successors to AMD's Yukon, a Windows 7 OS that's more low-end friendly than Vista is that will all tend to blur the current boundaries. What do you call a notebook with the next entry-level processor when it comes with a 12" screen?

Of course, manufacturers will create convenient categories at any given point in time and, perhaps, netbooks will remain a convenient shorthand for whatever the entry category is.
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by planblove August 20, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
I agree with you. The lines are definitely becoming blurred. We now have netbooks that cost more than the entry level notebooks. I mean seriously besides the lack of an optical drive, what's the real difference now? And has anyone noticed that the screen sizes keep getting larger? When those screen sizes hit 14 inches and the CPUs get more power and less efficient, and XP gets scrapped for Vista Basic... are they still gonna be called netbooks?
by joshsc August 20, 2009 7:22 AM PDT
For those that think the technology inside a netbook doesn't matter- The Atom processor is the slowest processor Intel makes. Buying a netbook is like buying a 10 year old computer at best. They're called netbooks because the processor is limited to doing minor things such as surf the Internet. They're called netbooks because the screens are just big enough so that you don't have to zoom in to read something like an Iphone.

CULV's are quite different and are targeting different customers. They use faster processors that use less power and offer more memory and more features.

Telling people that there is no difference is a disservice to the public. They may believe that and buy a netbook thinking they can do the same things as they could with a NOTEBOOK and be sorely disappointed. And although this Dell you refer to is only ONE STEP above a netbook, it is NOT the same thing.

Journalism has been so degraded. It is no wonder why all the newspapers are going out of business. Instead it has stooped to companies paying bloggers.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 20, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
The Atom is not the slowest processor Intel makes. Well, not the N-series at least. The Atom is faster clock for clock than the Celery processors, and uses less power. It takes a 2.4G Celery M single core to match the N280, and the CM uses more power (more battery) and runs hotter.
by Sascha_Pallenberg August 20, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
my N270 can run 1080p, try to do this on any 10 year old Pentium 3 :) Besides that, i totally agree with you.
by joshsc October 5, 2009 6:11 AM PDT
I reference the following article when I state that the Atom processor is the slowest-
http://laptoping.com/intel-atom-benchmark.html

"According to the Super PI test result, the Atom at 1.6GHz is a little bit faster than the old Intel Pentium III-M ?Tualatin? at 1.13GHz, but slower than the laptop-use Intel Celeron M ?Dothan-512? at 900MHz, utilized in the Asus Eee PC. However, Super PI is a single-threaded application, while the ?Silverthorne? CPUs incorporate HyperThreading technology for improved performance of multi-threaded software."

So I still stand by my above statement unless someone can show me in benchmarks where I"m wrong. At best, performance wise, they're both kinda crappy.
by joshsc October 5, 2009 6:13 AM PDT
I reference the following article -http://laptoping.com/intel-atom-benchmark.html

"According to the Super PI test result, the Atom at 1.6GHz is a little bit faster than the old Intel Pentium III-M ?Tualatin? at 1.13GHz, but slower than the laptop-use Intel Celeron M ?Dothan-512? at 900MHz, utilized in the Asus Eee PC. However, Super PI is a single-threaded application, while the ?Silverthorne? CPUs incorporate HyperThreading technology for improved performance of multi-threaded software."

So I stand by my above statement until someone can show me in a benchmark differently.
by SidekickLover24 August 20, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
This article is a load of b.s.! There is a huge difference between netbooks and notebooks. First of all, notebooks screen sizes can go up to 20". A netbooks has only been up to 11.6". Next, a notebook can have a very fast processor, and in my experience, the biggest is a 3.06 Core2Duo processor. Netbooks can only have wimpy little Intel Atoms or other slow processors. Notebooks can have big hard drives, over 500GB, netbooks have 250GB at most. Notebooks can have graphic cards, netbooks can't. Notebooks have much more power in them, so you can do movie and picture editing, playing games, and much more that you couldn't do on a netbook. Notebooks can have up to 8GB of RAM, netbooks can have 2GB. Just face it, a netbook is still a netbook. And just by comparing the smallest screen size on a notebook to one of the biggest on a netbook doesn't mean anything. They just wanted to make an Inspiron with a small screen size so people could have a small notebook with some power instead of having a slow netbook.
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by Succulence August 20, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
Yeah, I agree with most of the other posts here and disagree with the author. The problem is that simply because the boundaries aren't clear and exact between netbooks and laptops does not mean that they don't belong in different categories and that having these different categories isn't useful. I have a general idea of what properties tend to define a netbook and those differences are useful and real -- smaller screen size, crappy processor (all use the same few choices of processor so we all know what to expect here), different operating system, lighter weight, uncomfortable (smaller) keyboard, and that's what comes to mind. Knowing and expecting these things is a useful distinction when deciding between spending a little more on a slightly larger but more powerful "laptop". Just because laptops like Dell's 11z blur the boundary even further doesn't mean there aren't general and important distinctions. It's like gender -- there is a gradient, but real differences when going from what is considered a "fully" biological and "masculine" male, to a more "feminine" man, to a hermaphrodite, to a transexual, to a "masculine" woman, to a "feminine" woman, and every other combination you can think of. While we're all people, subtle differences when able to be recognized tend to place into question simplistic binaries. However, the vast majority of people still have a stable list of characteristics that place them into two relatively clear and useful categories, just like netbooks and laptops.
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by PrntAngel August 23, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
THANK YOU! very nice way to put it! Bottom line is a Netbook is still a laptop in a very inconvenient way!
by hookemhorns2010 August 20, 2009 7:57 AM PDT
I do not completely agree with the author, but I do think that a netbook is simply a smaller category of notebook. It is still a notebook, but it is still a netbook, much the same way that a gaming laptop is a notebook. So even though the line is getting smaller, the netbook term is probably here to stay.
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by 94transam August 20, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
For me, the distinguising feature is that a netbook has no internal optical drive, restricting it's primary purpose is to surfing the net. As long as netbooks don't have the ability to watch dvds, play cd's or play
disc-based games, then I will disagree with the author's assertion that "There's no longer a difference between a Netbook and a notebook."
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by HlLLARY CLITON August 20, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
A netbook isn't a netbook until Apple says so
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by QA_Tester August 20, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
Huh?
by GTinari August 20, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
I the title of a netbook should be kept for the sole reason of buyers easily picking out what kind of laptop they want. If they all became notebooks, it would be a little harder to distinguish through. This way, they can say "I have a netbook" instead of "I have a laptop but it's really small".
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by QA_Tester August 20, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
That all semantics. Netbook is a laptop and so is the notebook.
by Vegaman_Dan August 20, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
It's all about form factor and usability.

Scooters and motorcycles are both two wheel vehicles designed to carry one or two people down the road at moderate speeds. The scooter is smaller, light weight, has less horse power, and is limited to slower speeds. It also costs little in comparison to many other two wheel vehicles. The motorcycle is typically larger, faster, more powerful, and more expensive. The two have crossover in some speed areas, and there are some scooters that can travel highway speeds, albeit very poorly. Just as a large Honda Goldwing is not the vehicle you would take on down to the corner store for a gallon of milk- the scooter is better for that. I also don't want to go cross country on a scooter.

Different vehicles, different needs, different applications. It's the very same thing for netbooks / notebooks.
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by Andy S. August 20, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
Thank you, Dan. Analogies to motor vehicles always make things more clear, and should be used as much as possible.

The biggest, and frankly the only important, difference between a netbook and notebook is the existence of (or lack of) a standard size optical drive. It's not about the processor and only slightly about the screen size. You can not install any common software (MS Office, Photoshop, or any decent games) or watch DVD's on a netbook without some kind of workaround. Therefore you either just use your netbook for more or less surfing the net (as the name implies), or you buy a real notebook that can do everything.

I will admit, netbooks are tempting, but I always come back to the same conclusion. Why spend $300-$400 on a good netbook, when you can spend $350-$400 on a low end notebook that has the same specs. It is worth the extra size and weight to do more when I travel.
by Vegaman_Dan August 20, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
@Andy S:

It's hard to tell if you are being sarcastic or not in your comments.

I've got several tablet PC's right now that do not have an optical drive, yet weigh more and are larger than most laptops and certainly larger than a netbook. With today's shift to USB storage over DVD, I don't think that's really a valid point anymore unless you wish to watch DVD's straight from the drive itself.

As for installing software, all the examples you listed offer downloads of the products from online resources and I expect that will become the norm soon enough.

I love my MacBookPro. But even at 15", it's a heavy monster and not very portable to put in your backpack. The battery is quite small for the size and performance is limited accordingly. My Acer netbook has the expanded battery and runs 9 hours easily. That fits very nicely in my backpack and is my portable system. I don't confuse the two or ask them to do the same tasks.
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