August 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT

Madden 10: We have it, we've played it

by Scott Stein
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Jeff Bakalar
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Yet another wildcat formation from the Dolphins...just stop it already!

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The start of an NFL season begins with a few things: training camp, weeks of preseason games, and the launch of the yearly Madden. With Madden 10 now out in stores for nearly every system imaginable, we also are presented with the yearly question: is it worth it? After two weeks of playing the final boxed version for the Xbox 360, here's our final verdict on the only game in town. Or, almost the only game in town: Gameloft's NFL 2010 for the iPhone/iPod Touch uses full NFL license and rosters as well.

(Click to read our take on Gameloft's NFL 2010 for iPhone/iPod Touch).

Scott:
I've played this game since 2001 pretty much obsessively, and almost always as the New York Jets. Take that with whatever grain of salt or other spice you like, but at least you now know that I've been playing with a handicap. Compared with Madden 09, my first impression a month ago was that the new Madden was slow. Apologies to EA, but it's better now. While Madden 10 still operates at a less arcade-like speed, the flow of gameplay doesn't feel as slow-mo as it did in early builds. Maybe I've gotten used to it, but the change actually makes passing and running more realistic. Here's why: passes that are thrown deep will hang, and thus can be more realistically played with the defense. Running plays, on the other hand, focus more on waiting and hitting holes, whereas last year's version was so fast that gaps would close before you could hit them. The gang-tackling animations and AI are pretty amazing, and really do add some beef to the game--trying to wrangle and break free of tackles with the right analog stick makes you feel more like actual players are up there with arms and legs, instead of programmed bundles of polygons.

Gang tackles turn ugly fast.

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Some features were nice thoughts, but caused some annoyances. A new scrum-minigame of rapid button-presses pops up in post-fumble pile-ons, but often these incidents seem simply random and hard to time. Also, while the new ref first-down measurement and TD judgment calls add drama, they also add needlessly long pauses to the flow of the game. I found myself frantically button-pressing through these moments (but I'm a speed-freak player, so forgive me). And one issue that seemed to plague the 360 version was occasional slowdown and pauses in gameplay that I hope, right now, can be patched with an update.

The after-game broadcast-style highlight segments are well-produced but repetitive. Still, they're a fun way to follow a franchise mode season from week to week. During the actual season, this will be blast to play as a fantasy alternative to what's actually going on. But it would still be much nicer if EA simply had a regular-season "this week in the NFL" portal that not only gave info on the current games and stats, but also had replayable best-of plays of the previous week.

Co-op mode is intriguing, but I haven't spent much time with it. I've been taking the Jets through a week-by-week virtual season. I have them at 13-2 heading into their final game against the Bengals (yes, you can laugh at my fantasy, but it's still my dream), with the Patriots, Steelers, Chargers, Ravens, and Colts also locking up playoff spots, in case you were curious. And no, Chad Pennington did not stay healthy for the 2009 season (although the Dolphins engaged in more annoying wildcat formations that I care to remember).

Overall, the new Madden has won my heart...and my free time. And while the slower feel still freaks me out a little, I appreciate that it lets the fundamentals of playcalling once again steal the spotlight from button-mashing.

Jeff:
When Scott and I first played Madden 10 at last month's EA event in New York, we were convinced that what we saw was a close-to-finished build of the quintessential football sim. Now that we've had the final retail version in our hands for a full week, we can safely say that most of our observations remain intact.

Yes, there are teams other than the Jets.

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However, it does seem that the game may have gotten an ever-so-slight bump in the speed department. While it is still noticeably slower compared with 09, the gameplay in the final version does seem a bit peppier than what we played at the EA event last month. Like we said, it does add to the overall heightened sense of realism that we imagine some Madden fans may not be used to. Either way, this can be adjusted in the settings.

After a few games we also noticed that quarterbacks seem a bit too accurate with their deep passes; we felt there needs to be more under and overthrows in the action. On defense, you may find yourself having a tough time penetrating the line without ordering an all-out blitz. Also, we found ourselves dropping way too many seemingly easy interceptions. On a play where such a catch can turn things around, it's frustrating to see balls like that dropped.

Those snags aside, there's plenty to love in the new Madden. While TV presentation may not be everyone's preference, the game does a great job at recreating actual drama. Goal line conferences, bringing the chains out, and the like all add to an impressive package. You're sure to notice a new animation every time you play and the new play-calling screen is the best one in years. Gang tackling is also very satisfying as is the new fumble minigame mechanic.

Fans of the series may need some time to get used to a few new gameplay features, and the visual presentation does change the overall experience, but underneath still lies the core Madden experience we all love.

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by zmnatz August 11, 2009 2:23 PM PDT
"But it would still be much nicer if EA simply had a regular-season "this week in the NFL" portal that not only gave info on the current games and stats, but also had replayable best-of plays of the previous week. "
- That's funny, I remember another football game having that feature, in 2004. NFL 2K5 had this feature but sadly no longer exists. Before I get the madden fanboys on me, I'm going to point out that I always preferred madden to the 2k series. Sadly, after that stupid NFL PA agreement that EA struck, they completely stopped innovating. The last Madden I bought was Madden 07, and that was strictly so I had a Madden game for my 360. Even that game had less features than Madden 05 on the XBOX. Anyone else have thoughts on the lack of innovation coming from the madden franchise since the exclusivity agreement?
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by StevieD377 August 11, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
I completely agree. While this year's Madden adds some much needed features to the game, such as the gang tackles, it still in my opinion fails to be truely innovative. But why would they have to be? If there's no competition, then there is little reason to innovate right?. But that's true in any business... cough*microsoft (haha ok they're getting a LITTLE better)

All in all, I think Madden is heading in the right direction, I just think they could do it a little faster. Preferrably before this generation of consoles ends.
by BCF1968 August 14, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
How can you even comment if you haven't played since Madden 2007? 2008 was better than 2007, 2009 was MUCH better than 2008. And 2010 is MUCH MUCH better than 2009. So to say it's the same game is purely ignorant. So yes you do come off as a 2K fanboi when you make opinions that aren't based on actual FACTS. 2K fanbois need to get over it and either play Madden or play 2K5 over and over again and **** already.
by heygeo August 16, 2009 1:10 AM PDT
Im thru with EA .. no Madden 2010 for PC.. no more $$ from me.. I really hope someone else gets the rights for the NFL soon
by zmnatz August 17, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
@BCF1968

When did I say I haven't played Madden since 2007. I've played plenty of Madden since then, just haven't bought it. And like also said in my post, I'm not a 2k fanboy. I always preferred madden. My point is that the Madden games between 2002 and 2005 for example had a lot more innovation than the last 4 have had. The fact that it's the only game in town now seems to correlate with this decrease in innovation.

Read people! Read! It's one of those things we go to school for.
by hakeis1 August 11, 2009 7:46 PM PDT
Your Right StevieD377 their not going to do any thing great with Madden if there isn't any competion to challenge them. I've played the new 2010 Demo and i played my 2007 Madden and honestly i see nothing that justifies a $ 59.00 price tag. They could sell this game for $ 39.00 new and still make a killing, but nope their going to gouge your eyes out again. I have All Pro Foootball 2k8 and the players are alot bigger on the screen and they actually react more like football players, i think EA Sports could learn alot from 2K sports. I ask myself again apart from afew roster changes, why would i want or need Madden 2010?????? IT sure isn't a graphical need. The crouds still look cheezy and the players before snap count are punny and blurred. For $ 59.00 i'll keep playing other games and hope that sooner than later something awsome in football will arive. And before you respond with stupid comments like oh your an EA hater, sorry don't bother cause i like em but they fall way short on year to
year improvements VS. the price they charge.
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by ucbedge August 11, 2009 11:24 PM PDT
NFL 2K5 was the best. I really miss it and wonder what couldve happened with that series given faster hardware. Instead, we're stuck with "breakthrough" changes like gang-tackling.
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by Andyboiii August 12, 2009 1:09 AM PDT
I always wondered why people still buy madden when you can get NFL 2k5 a much superior game that has better physics, better presentation, and most importantly better gameplay then Madden for only $3. It's so funny it took madden until 2010 to get gang tackles correct while NFL 2k5 came correct with it their first time around. Just get NFL 2k5 with a transfer cable so you can get updated rosters and you'll be set
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by robnyack August 12, 2009 5:55 AM PDT
hogwash.....i admit, I was a big NFL 2K5 fan, but seriously....dude, WAKE UP...the was 6 years ago!! Do you know how long 6 years is in video games.....A LIFE TIME!

You are like the old grumpy guy...."Back in my day......"

Either get over it or shut up. No one wants to hear it anymore.
by sav1981 August 12, 2009 7:11 AM PDT
Every year EA gives us a new Madden and every year there's minor upgrades. Why not just offer upgrades online for half the price of a new one and for those who don't already have the disc can also purchase it? I'm sure that all Madden fans or any fans of sports game will agree that they are getting rip off by these companies who put out yearly versions of the same damn game with the only differences are updated rosters and a couple of tweaks.
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by cyclonica1980 August 12, 2009 8:25 AM PDT
Same garbage every year. Oh hey remember Madden 09, the one you spent 65.00 for a Game Stop? Yeah its worth 1.00 now to trade in. Real good ratio there. NEVER BUY SPORTS GAMES!!! They depreciate faster than a Chrysler automobile.
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by sav1981 August 12, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
Heck yeah!!! But if you must have Madden or any other type of sports game just wait about 6 months and you can get them half off or wait 1 year and them for around $5.00. Heck GameStop have so many of them they will give it to you free.
by ScottStein8 August 12, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
NFL 2K5 was great, but more than half the appeal of an NFL game is live rosters. I've been in support of Madden offering older users a chance to upgrade rosters from previous years' games, and sadly, we haven't seen it happen. I agree with that. But, still, sometimes (not every year) Madden has gameplay upgrades worth adopting. This is one of those years.
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by hakeis1 August 12, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
Sorry i can't agree with you on this one Scott Stein, There is nothing in Madden 2010 that justfies a $ 59.00 price tag. The changes they have added are mute, they should of just let you upgrade your roster online for $ 9.99 and you wouldn't miss a beat. So Sad.
by johnnieizumi August 12, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
What a piece of crap. They still don't have half the features of 2k sports nfl game. Where the hell is the coaches ability to challenge a call? ***? Why would it not be included in madden when it was in nfl 2k 7 or 8 years ago. They expect you to pay 70 bucks every year so you can get an updated roster. That's crap. I've got madden 06 and I should still be able to get roster updates and not have to buy a new version unless there are updates to the game that I want. Like the guy said earlier go ahead and try to trade in your sports games and you'll get a buck but go ahead and try to buy a used sports game and your paying like 35 dollars. It's insane.
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by ScottStein8 August 12, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
Actually, you can challenge a call in Madden 10--just select it from the menu when you hit start during a game. Hey, I agree on the roster update. I wrote about that years ago. But there are still good and bad years of Madden, and overall this is a good one. There have indeed been bad ones, trust me.
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by BankAdmin August 13, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
Madden hasn't changed. But please continue paying $60 / year for a roster update. FU Electronic Arts and FU National football league.
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by lawgone August 14, 2009 6:36 AM PDT
You've got that right. It's basically the same game every year with the rosters switched around. I've never cared for Madden. The interface is horrible.
by jpsaply August 14, 2009 6:46 AM PDT
I cant comment on the comparisons of 2k5 and madden, but I do agree since EA has all rights to the NFL license, they dont have to try hard to make an innovative game. EA can gumb it down all they want, and because it will be the only NFL game out there, people will buy it. One would think you would want competition. This way you can learn from what other developers have put into there games and maybe top it the following year.

As far as paying $60 for Madden 10, I think I will rent it first if I can snag a copy from the rental store before everyone else does.
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by NervClaX August 14, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
I still play NFL2K5. My pad it totally tricked out with stuff! I loved the ESPN segments but since my PS2 didn't have a hard drive, the highlights from my game were all still photos, no replays.
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by BCF1968 August 14, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
Boy the 2K fanbois come out in droves every year to brag about how 2k5 is better than the latest version of Madden which is totally untrue. I like to know how people that haven't played Madden in 5 or 6 years and have an obvious anti-Madden bias can even make an objective opinion about Madden one way or another?
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by brikchild August 15, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
I can't believe all of the complaining about a game. So they are a monopoly- you all are still going down to the store and plop down your $60-- just like you do for every other game. Trade in that game you bought for $60 two weeks ago -- finished every level with every character possible in 10 hrs- get your 10-20 bucks for it and play Madden for an entire year-- until they come out with a minor improvement next year-- do you really think they are going to blow their load and give you a kick ass game -- when they can just give you drips and drabs and still sell the same amount of games as if they came out with it all at once. Should they give us a choice of a roster update-- sure-- but why would they.....?
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by JoeD1979 November 30, 2009 10:27 AM PST
I think Madden 10 does a great job, and is a big step up from 09. However, I will agree that the chain gang and touchdown referee conferences get a bid old, after the 50th time. Another thing is the new fumble mechanic. As soon as it starts, I already know I'm going to lose. I think I've won 1 out of all the times I've played. They really need to get rid of that because it suddently goes from a strategy based game to a button mashing affair. However, the game play is awesome, and I love the slow down personally.

I will start a rant here about Madden Moments here, so just go with me:

This last annoyance that has been with Madden for at least 2 years. Madden Moments is such a fantastic idea, that is instituted terribly. It is unacceptable that if I'm playing a Moment and I know I'm going to lose, I have to load out of that Moment, and go back to the menu, THEN load it back to start over. Why isn't there a simple retry button? It just baffles me.

Also with Madden Moments, why aren't they all available at once? I don't want to try to unlock them all, I just want to play the ones that interest me. The way it is now, I have completed about 10 of them, and am stuck on the same moment. So I have to keep playing over and over again. Same game, same situation until I win. Do you know how frustrating is to have to play a game down 27-10 at the start of the 3rd quarter over and over again just so I can get to other Moments? Well, I haven't won, and I have given up completely on Madden Moments. Let me play what I want, not what you think I should, I paid good money for this game to be able to play ALL of it, not just part of it.

[End Rant]

Other then crappy Madden Moments, the game is pretty awesome. The only thing I don't understand sometimes is how my defense can't get to the QB to save their life most of the time no matter what blitz I send, and I barely have 5 seconds to get the ball out. I've gotten used to it, but it is frustrating sometimes.
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