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July 21, 2009 7:26 AM PDT

Rumor redux: iPod Touch with camera, mic coming

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The new iPod Touch could have very similar features to the iPhone 3G S.

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Apple is getting ready to launch a new iPod Touch with a built-in camera and microphone, according to former CNET editor and MP3 Insider Eliot Van Buskirk, who now writes a Wired blog.

This rumor has been circulating for a while, but Van Buskirk writes: "A well-connected source tells us those rumors are on the money, and that Apple's factories in China are already manufacturing iPod Touch models with integrated cameras and microphones."

The short piece talks up the fact that with inclusion of a microphone and a quick download of Skype for iPhone, the iPod Touch would become a nifty VoIP phone wherever you can get a Wi-Fi connection. The new iPod would most likely be enhanced with voice commands just as the iPhone is.

There's nothing in the post about the possibility of a 64GB iPod Touch, but we're still counting on Apple to produce one when the line is upgraded--most likely this fall. (Last year's new Touch roll out was September 10.) A lot of folks are hoping Apple will introduce a jumbo iPod Touch/Netbook in September as well.

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(Source: Wired via Gizmodo)

Additional reading: Is iPod Touch getting a camera?

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by myles taylor July 21, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
I'd be shocked if they didn't include a camera and mic. I'm still hoping they'll surprise us with something though. I like surprises and the rumor mill is getting too good these days. Surprise me Apple!
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by Dalmatian28 July 21, 2009 5:49 PM PDT
I don't think that they will add anything new to it! In the past iPad Touch has always resemble iPhone - phone functionality... so I don't see why this time would be any different! Adding camera to iPad was pretty good idea, but the microphone is definitely the biggest news! AT&T will really hate this one! So many anytime minutes and text massages will go through the Skype instead of AT&T network! I have never really like Apple (about million reasons for it) but this was good move on their part and we should give them credit for it! I just hope that Microsoft take a notes from this and does the same with Zune HD, other way...their player will be outdated before even hits the market!
by sav1981 July 21, 2009 8:09 AM PDT
I hope they will support FLASH.
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by shralpmeister July 21, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
I hope they won't and Flash will be relegated to the garbage heap of attempts to hijack the web with proprietary psuedo-standards. While we're at it lets throw Silverlight on the pile as well.
by Perry_Clease July 21, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
No Flash please, eradicate from the web or at least use it sparingly.
by uclapril76 July 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
Hm, how would you like your videos on the web, on Quicktime? Flash is pretty standard nowadays. Apple just won't support in on the iPhone/iTouch.
by ÆL July 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
Yeah, defiantly they need this BADDDD
by goodspeed8701 July 21, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
So camera and mic is what they want to drive to buy another ipod touch. No way they should have had this with the original ipod touch. Apple is funny this days. I hope this don't get too cold and freeze up as the iphone 3gs needs AC or radiator to keep it cool. I am getting the Zune HD. I have my touch on ebay hope they will buy it soon.
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by ckh1272 July 21, 2009 8:52 AM PDT
You are funny these days too. Maybe you take off that tin-foil hat! BTW, a Touch with a camera and mic would have been too expensive. Remember, the original 32GB model was $500!! You really need to get a grip on reality if you think a lot people would have bought one back then!
by texzen1 July 21, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
Hey enjoy that Zune HD. I'm sure you won't have to stand in line to buy it.
by sanjayb July 21, 2009 9:26 AM PDT
I wil agree that the features of the Zun HD (HD support and OLED screen) are more exciting features than a crappy camera. Once Apple adds this to their Touch then I will upgrade.
by Synthmeister July 21, 2009 9:37 AM PDT
OLED screen is cool and all but the resolution will actually be less than the current iPod touch. I mean, why doesn't MS add something like a GPS, or built-in VOIP or an SDK or something.
by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
I'm not sure that the Zune OS is that extensible. It's probably a dead-end like the original iPod OS. Otherwise, Microsoft would have released an SDK and there would be plans for a Zune App Store (there is none).
by holyreki July 21, 2009 10:51 AM PDT
Microsoft may not be the most innovative company out there but they do give developers the best tools possible to create applications that run well on multple MS platforms. You can expect to see a Zune Marketplace with applications that run WinMo, Zune and Xbox.
by daywalker32123 July 21, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
texzen1, I live in Dallas and yes, I had to wait for my Zune 80GB when it debuted. Took me almost 2 weeks to catch a delivery. This was after I pre-ordered on Amazon.com and got a notice that "item is sold out"

cvaldez1831, in all fairness and polite corrected, please google your facts for accuracy before you make them public. There is talk of an app store for the Zune HD. Checkl out:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/16/microsoft.oneapp.trademark/

Sorry folks, I'm a Zune fan and have been since I got my white first gen 30GB model. Wife, sister-in-law, and dad all have Zune minis. Brother, mother and I all have 80gb models. And just to make it a bit less "short gene-pool tech", I have 8 buddies that have them as well. Yeah, the community is not as deep as the iPod (and I give props to Apple for a good product), but the loyal Zunesters are out there and getting stronger... lol.

Peace and Love
by enoch861 July 21, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
@ cvaldes1831 and @Synthmeister. Do you people realize that the Zune in theory does have an SDK. Microsoft XNA Game Studio has support to build stuff for the Zune. Also the @Synthmeister Sanjayb was talking about HD output, which in comparison to the iPod Touch is far more superior. The Zune HD is also going to have the Tegra Chip, and days worth of battery life with excellent graphics. iPod Touch can't beat that.
by Walrusaurus July 21, 2009 1:55 PM PDT
@holyreki

Last I heard from Microsoft, the Zune HD would be integrated with the xbox live marketplace only through VIDEO... Not applications or games. Not that it's impossible, just that Microsoft said that it would be through video.
by SNOOP_ROCA July 21, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
Look, love or hate it, no matter how good the touch or Zune HD is, people will probably be drawn to the touch because it's an iPod..... Plain and simple, most people (Besides the Zune loyalists) have this idea that Zunes are hard to use (I don't know why, but that's what I've heard), ugly (Which the first model was, just like the iPod gen 1), etc. I don't know why because both the Zunes and iPods are great, revolutionary products......
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by thabassman July 21, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
I HOPE they upgrade the other models so the touch dosen't kill us classic users and the nano users. The nano isn't very nano anymore-just slim. 160GB model back please but same size.
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by markredf150 July 22, 2009 10:27 PM PDT
I agree with you. There was a story a few days ago saying that the Classic's future could be in jeopardy because there's not much of a market for the 2.5 inch hard drives anymore. What kind of Classic do you have? I am a proud owner of a 30GB U2 Special Edition 5G (updated version with a brighter screen), and I've had it for almost 3 years now...I love it! And it's insane that now they can put 4x the storage in the same package. But that's tech for ya...
by El_Mikee July 21, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
If the rumors turn out to be true, it´ll be perfect, now i´d really want to upgrade from my first gen iPod Touch, wich i love, but battery is begginin to take it´s toll.

:-)
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by alan_06 July 21, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
Just remove the calling/receiving part and sell as a seperate product? Why not purchase mobile phone that comes with all the features? Most of the phones nowadays includes all the features of Ipod.
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by ckh1272 July 21, 2009 8:54 AM PDT
And not one is nearly as seamless with the software, including my LG Voyager (and I like my phone).
by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
Apple's margin on the iPod touch is very healthy. If you are frequent reader of Cnet, you should know by now that Apple uses the iTunes & App Stores to drive sales of its high-margin hardware.

Basically all smartphones in the U.S. have a healthy subsidy that allows the hardware to be sold very inexpensively ($99, $199) but forces a two-year service contract with the carrier for them to recoup that subsidy (about $400 for the iPhone). The iPod touch is a great device for people who do not wish to lock themselves into a long-term contract with the iPhone's carrier (AT&T in this country) yet still would like to enjoy most of the apps and functionality.

I spend about $3/month on my T-Mobile dumbphone with their Pay-As-You-Go service. I could buy the new iPod touch each year and still come out ahead compared with iPhone users, although I do give up the luxury of having always-on Internet access. That's a conscious choice I made.

Note that while there might be 30 million iPhones out there, there are also about 20 million iPod touches, so clearly there is a market for this device. While it is typically forgotten by the tech press, the iPod touch is a very powerful ally to the iPhone.

As ckh1272 mentions, nothing else has the seamless user experience. There is really nothing that competes with the iPod touch right now. Even the upcoming Zune HD won't have an app store according to Microsoft. It'll be more like the pre-App Store iPod touch, mostly a music/video player with a web browser.
by NJMetsHero July 21, 2009 8:50 AM PDT
I have a 2nd Generation iPod Touch, and I'd actually consider buying a new one with those upgrades. Not sure I'd do it, I'll probably wait another year before actually doing it. But the VoIP is what would sell if for me. Once my current contract is up I'd probably look for a prepaid phone and use the Touch primarily. On campus, they have Wifi everywhere, so I'd have a connection most of the time for free. The camera would be nice too just because of the integration it would offer with my Mac now as apposed to my current phone. I can't watch the videos I take on it on my iPod, which kind of stinks.

But yeah, once my contract is up, this would work for me completely.
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by Jens24 July 22, 2009 12:38 AM PDT
I too have a 2 gen iTouch. You can pick up a microphone that plugs into the headphone jack it is called ThumbTack and works GREAT with Skype! I costs $13! Hope that helps!
by labrazil July 22, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
@Jens24
My only issue with WIFI + VOIP is the battery issue. I hear the battery gets consumed a lot if you are idle on wifi waiting for a call and when you are on a call it drains the battery real fast. I was talking for 20 min on skype using my 2G Touch and my battery went from 89% to 20%. Not good! Anyone else experience this?
by dmack747 July 21, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
I don't care much for apple, but if they can add voip functionality to the phone so that it basically operates like a cell phone without the huge contract (what are they nowadays...75 bucks/mo for voice and data?), i would be tempted to get one of these suckers. i'd like to see gps capability as well so i could check traffic on google maps before i head out for work. i'm hoping this sparks other companies (microsoft, google, etc) to make their own models. let's sock it to the wireless carriers and their ridiculous fees.
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by TechSlap July 21, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
I think this is a pretty agreeable rumor/upgrade. I mean what else is there for the iPod? Aside from adding better quality hardware (which it pretty much already has), what is left? I think that it would be great to add the mic and camera. Probably more so the mic than the camera though. Though if there going to integrate the cam in there as well then we shouldn't complain. VoIP is probably the biggest thing everyone will be looking forward to. So... what next after this?
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by fruant July 21, 2009 9:21 AM PDT
apple tablet.
by sanjayb July 21, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
HD output, OLED screen.
by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
Far more people would use the video recording functionality; people like capturing what's going on around them, whether it's their friends, kids or their pets (just look at YouTube).

Let's face it: VoIP isn't a big deal (neither is the forward-facing video camera for video conferencing). If there was such a pent-up interest in VoIP, we would already heard about it (the iPhone supports VoIP via a number of applications as does the iPod touch with the right external accessory microphone).

It would be nice to see the magnetometer make it to the upcoming iPod touch. The utility of assisted GPS would be limited since the iPod touch doesn't have an always-on Internet connection. At least in decently populated areas, WiFi triangulation works well enough.

I don't see a big benefit to having HD on these handheld devices, particularly right now. In the year and a half that I've own my iPod touch, I think I've output to a TV once or twice and Apple accessory video output cables aren't exactly flying off the shelves indicating that others aren't particular interested either.

HD video takes up too much storage space for the limited capacity of these handheld devices and the transfer times over USB 2.0 are rather pokey. Maybe in a couple of years, with 128GB or 256GB devices and USB 3.0 interface for data transfer (802.11n WiFi downloads).
by b11spiess July 21, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
Camera on the front and 802.11n for both iTouch and iPhone.... then iChat wherever you go... it will hit the business world by storm.
by TechSlap August 26, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
Well as for the apple tablet... Thats a different product all together. HD Output would be nice and as for the OLED screen, I see that as more cosmetic than anything and aside from that HD on such a small device though nice... kind of unnecessary. Expanding the size, thats a given. and Adding USB 3.0 support in the future would be great.
by Perry_Clease July 21, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
Apple currently has an education special, buy a Mac and get a free iPod Touch. Maybe they are trying to bring down inventory to make room for a new model.
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by ywkhgqo July 21, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
yeah uh, they always do this.
by SactoGuy018 July 21, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
Essentially, the new iPod Touch is the iPhone 3Gs minus the cellphone functionality. I expect as much as 64 GB of flash memory storage on this new model.
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by jmcintire July 21, 2009 10:51 AM PDT
I heard a rumor months ago that the new iPhone and iPod Touch would have OLED displays. Since that obviously didn't happen with the iPhone 3G S, I was hoping it might still find its way to the iPod Touch.
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by Weudel July 21, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
Couple one of these babies with a MiFi from Sprint or Verizon (preferrably Sprint with the Unlimited data plan) and suddenly you have the holy grail... A CDMA iPhone!!!! and freedom from AT&T...
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by NJMetsHero July 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
This occured to me immediately as well. I can see a lot of people doing that.
by tundraboy July 21, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
So when the flash memory starts do degrade on the iPod Touch do you basically just chuck the thing?
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by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
The battery will die first anyhow (i.e., losing its charge). The dead iPod touch might be worth something on eBay/Craigslist/et al. People cannibalize them for parts.

Apple will recycle it for you. If you purchase a new iPod, they'll generally give you 10% off if you turn in an old one.
by tmcdanne July 21, 2009 11:19 AM PDT
Camera? That will be nice. Mic? As long as we get VOIP, that will be even better. But until Apple upgrades to at least 64GBs on the touch I'm not buying. I have a 30GB 5th Gen classic that's been full and if I'm adding apps and larger video to the touch there's just no way 32GBs will do. Come on 64GB touch!!!
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by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
Again to reiterate, the current and previous iPod touches already support VoIP applications. There is nothing new there. The first generation model needs a third-party Macalley microphone. The second generation (current) model will use the headphones with the inline mike (either Apple's or third-party models).
by thevalleyboy July 21, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
I think they need to make the camera inward facing so applications like Skype can compete with cell phone carriers - basically making Aple compete with AT & T and other cellular providers - sure you can only make calls when you are in a WiFi hotspot - but hell portable comunication it is for MY convience isn't it? and I can easily find a WiFi Hotspot - I do not see this as compition to the IPhone either, but rather a different tool for a different kind of user.
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by felderga July 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
Does this mean that the Camera will shoot Video as well (like the IPhone 3GS)? Also I don't understand why Apple doesn't make video available to IPhone 3G as well...shouldn't it just been apart of IPhone 0S 3.0??
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by btr1389 July 21, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
I believe the reason they didn't add video capture to the first gen iPhone or iPhone 3G is because the refresh rate of the cameras used was very low. You'd be able to get something like 13-14 fps, which would look horrible.
by tamybert July 21, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
I doubt apple will use flash because then that would destroy the app world idea as their of tons of flash games and content on the web.
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by cvaldes1831 July 21, 2009 2:54 PM PDT
No, Apple says there's no appropriate Flash product for the iPhone. There's a barebones Flash player for mobile devices that doesn't really do anything. Apple says the end user experience with this software is not up to their standards.

The full-blown Flash player that support video is too resource-intensive. Even on desktop/notebook computers, Flash tends to peg CPUs. That's okay for systems on AC power (the fan will kick in too), but it's unacceptable to Apple for their mobile devices.

There is currently no middle tier Flash player that is optimized for mobile devices and won't suck up CPU/battery life.
by pickles319 July 22, 2009 9:36 PM PDT
Well, there is a mobile device browser known as Skyfire that you can download onto alot of smartphones and has a pretty much full Flash plugin. Maybe Apple will allow access to it....
by JKsolstice July 21, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
I have wanted a Touch ever since they came out but held off on the first one because it was too expensive and the second one because it seemed like too small an upgrade. I realize now that the second gen was a pretty good upgrade, as evidenced by the long time (by Apple standards) on the market before another upgrade came out. My philosophy is pretty much identical to cvaldes1831 up there- With the Touch, you get almost all of the functionality of the Iphone, without the insane monthly fees and bad phone service (I use an LG Versa on Verizon).
I think a camera and mic upgrade, as well as whatever other internal niceties they come up with (more memory, faster chip, better battery, etc.) will pretty much keep this product in a class of its own. No one else has a device that you can just buy (with no monthly fees) that can do so much for the price. One minor item on my wishlist.... I really hope with the addition of the camera, Apple has opted for that strong thermoplastic back that the Iphone 3G/S already uses. I've seen my friend's Touches and if you just look at that metal wrong it gets scratched ;).
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by andrewnegri July 21, 2009 12:21 PM PDT
I currently have a 2nd generation ipod touch. it's worked pretty well so far. i think ill upgrade when they get to the 4th generation touch instead of upgrading immediately.

As far as itouch vs. iphone, the ipod touch wins as far as price goes. just have a cheap contract with a decent phone and then have the ipod also. it's quite a bit cheaper. in fact, the required data plan for the iphone adds up to over $700 of wasted money.
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by carlitos92 July 21, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
Er... That alleged $700 also adds up to being able to browse almost anytime, anywhere - and not having to carry around two devices and their chargers/headsets/etc. It's not for everybody, but clearly there is a market.
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