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July 17, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Slowing down the Netbook train

by Erica Ogg

Cheaper or faster?

That's going to be the burning question for computer shoppers perusing the aisles of electronics retail stores this fall. That's when the new line of notebooks powered by consumer ultra-low voltage (CULV) chips will start appearing in force. They'll be sitting right next to the trendiest offering in portable computing, Netbooks. Netbooks have come to be viewed as the best way to get cheap, portable computing, but CULV notebooks could change that.

Acer Timeline CULV notebook

CULV-based notebooks are poised to give Netbooks a run for their money.

(Credit: Macles)

Netbooks are mini-notebooks with screens between 9 and 11 inches, that have lower-power processors, and fewer features, but very attractive price points. CULV-based notebooks are ultrathin notebooks. They come with a more traditional 12- or 13-inch screen, but are also very low-power, so they have great battery life. Starting at $600 to $1,000, they'll occupy the price range just a step above Netbooks, which run between $200 and $500.

That's where the choice comes in. Will consumers go for a Netbook, which is less expensive, sometimes harder to use, but very portable? Or a sleek-looking notebook with great battery life and a slightly higher price? Just a bit more money could mean a far more fully featured computer. Who would still go for a Netbook?

Some analysts suggest many won't.

For its part, the provider of these ultra-low voltage chips, Intel, would prefer to steer people toward CULVs. Sure, Intel is also responsible for the Netbook phenomenon, but those devices carry much lower profit margins. Intel CEO Paul Otellini on Tuesday talked up CULV notebooks and their advantages over Netbooks, saying, "Now, if you want a thin and light notebook, you don't have to just pick a Netbook. You can pick an affordable notebook that has more functionality."

Several studies regarding Netbooks have been published, but it remains unclear if people are choosing them because they're a cheap impulse buy and a placeholder in these trying economic times, or because they just want a gadget that fits in their purse. Few people appear to buy Netbooks because they love the small screen, small keyboard, and limited functionality. A recent NPD survey found that many Netbook buyers were indeed disappointed by what they got for their money, with 60 percent expecting the same functionality as a notebook.

So when devices that are almost as inexpensive, but function like a traditional notebook appear, what will that do to Netbook sales? PC makers will, like Intel, stand to make gains by selling slightly more expensive, and therefore more profitable, models of notebooks. But it's not without cost to the pro-Netbook campaign most major PC makers have undertaken in the last couple years. CULVs will by definition cut into the Netbook category by some margin.

Take for example, Acer's situation. It's done remarkably well selling Netbooks. Its Aspire One series has propelled it to the top ranks of portable PC vendors, and they're fairly well-reviewed. But Acer also has a new line of CULVs coming: the Timeline series. As CNET editor Scott Stein noted recently, the 11.6-inch Timeline CULV, which is roughly the same size as a Netbook, has a lot more going for it: "It has (an ultra-low voltage) processor that's faster than Atom Netbooks by a fair margin. Then there's the HD video decoding. Also, the 1810T can support up to 4GB of RAM. Other bonuses include HDMI, b/g/n Wi-Fi, and the ability to upgrade to Windows 7."

How can Netbooks compete with that other than price? It's going to be difficult. Netbooks have seen great growth, and are expected to rise to 33 million units shipped by the end of 2009, according to market research firm DisplaySearch. And most PC market analysts expect that to continue, but it will likely be tempered when CULVs take hold. "We're expecting that to level off and there will be some new competition from CULV systems this fall," said Loren Loverde, director of IDC's PC Tracker program.

To survive now, PC makers know that they have to be able to offer a variety of models for a wide swath of customers. The CULV will be positioned right between Netbooks on the low end, and traditional notebooks on the high end. But the loser is likely to be Netbooks, according to Loverde.

Electronics retail analyst Stephen Baker of NPD says that trying to match buyers with the right kind of computer has always been challenging. The best way to help consumers understand the difference between computer models is to arrange them at retail by price, since screen size and features are no longer the best way to determine the category a computer falls under--sometimes 12-inch laptops are far more expensive than 17-inch ones, for example.

And with consumers facing so many choices today, it adds even more pressure on PC makers, Baker added.

"It will continue to be a challenge. But the consequences are greater now because growth in the market depends on segmentation more than it ever has before. But it's not a new problem."

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by Ferd_Carbuncle July 17, 2009 4:26 AM PDT
You seem to miss one salient point. Lots of people, me included, bought netbooks for the pricepoint and all, but equally important is the OS, that is XP instead of Vista. This may be a moot point as 7 takes hold, but it certainly influenced my buying decision.
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by rdupuy11 July 17, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
Well they can make a notebook lighter and thinner, and that is great, lighter and thinner is a good thing for the notebook market.

However, having the inexpensive ultraportable, means a smaller screen.

In other words, it isn't about the next invention or advance in technology, in this case, you either have a smaller screen or you have a larger one.

I want the smaller screen, because a smaller device is what I want. Sure when looking the screen, at that moment it would be nice to have a larger display, but when toting the device around, a notebook, often just stays at the house, but a netbook....will get carried around.
by tonybelding July 17, 2009 5:00 AM PDT
What, no mention of where ARM-based netbooks will fit into this evolving picture? I can envision a squeeze from CULV processors above and ARM below -- the loser then would be the Intel Atom processor, not the netbook format as such. Atom does not equal netbook, although one might get the impression that it does, looking at today's offerings.

I don't really buy the whole argument about netbooks not providing enough "functionality". By most measures today's netbooks are more powerful than my first iMac (a DV model) which was my primary desktop computer for a couple of years. Yes, time does march on. . . But the kinds of things most people do with their computers haven't changed *that* drastically in the last 10 years. (Remember, the "i" in iMac originally stood for the internet, just like the "net" in netbook.)
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by Bill_I July 17, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
i always wanted to know why everything had to be an i-something for the last few years. Thanks for the info.
by Gabey8 July 17, 2009 5:19 AM PDT
I realize that this new version of notebook is "just above" the price point of netbooks. But the people who don't HAVE the extra money won't be able to afford it, no matter how small of an increment that "just above" is describing.

People who are looking for a very basic, very portable, and VERY affordable computer will still be in the market for netbooks. If/when notebooks and netbooks occupy the SAME low price range, then we will have a better idea of who's looking for the extra portability vs. who is looking to buy the most computer they can for the price.
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by Bakkster July 17, 2009 6:19 AM PDT
This is exactly correct. I purchased a first-gen EeePC when I bought my new desktop. All my heavy-duty computing was done on the desktop, I just wanted an internet machine for college classes and travel. As such, the Eee performs great, and anything bigger or more expensive wouldn't have been worth getting.
by -fjtorres- July 17, 2009 5:48 AM PDT
Netbooks started out as very small, very light, very cheap laptops for kids.
They have evolved into larger, heavier, more expensive laptops for adults; some of the name brand versions are actually more expensive than bigger, heavier and more powerful traditional notebooks.
If the ultra-light conventional laptops want that niche they can have it; netbooks will most likely revert to what they were supposed to be, minimalist very low-cost small computers.
All that has happened is that the market realized that thin and light notebooks were horribly over-priced and were willing to put up with the limitations of a netbook rather than overpay. With the threat of their juicy market vanishing, the vendors are coming up with cheaper thin-n-lights, is all.
Market forces at work here, people; nothing special.
The only losers are Sony, Lenovo, and the other vendors selling $2000 thin-and-lights who'll have to either justify their prices or match the new sub-$1000 prices for the category.
Netbook users will win by a renewed focus on what netbooks are supposed to be about; cheap, *basic* computing.
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by Passing_Commenter July 17, 2009 6:00 AM PDT
I will continue to buy netbooks because I am not afraid of breaking them. When I go camping, I pack a lot of gear - kayak paddles, bike stuff; little room remains for anything fragile. But with a netbook, if I get it dirty/wet/crushed, I'm not as concerned about losing $300 as I would be $600. For the record, I have dropped my HP Mini 1035 in mud and it still works!
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by SGillette July 17, 2009 6:22 AM PDT
With the onset of WiMax Tech. portability is a key point. Couple that with solid state hard-drives and (by all intensive purposes) a system that is very capable, you have a winner at such a low price point.

The key point in the article was "Intel, would prefer to steer people toward CULVs" and "Intel is also responsible for the Netbook phenomenon, but those devices carry much lower profit margins". It is all about the money to them. Reality is Intel could produce a very robust "netbook" with all the features and benefits of a larger chassis system.
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by zyxxy July 17, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=For%20all%20intensive%20purposes>

For all intents and purposes.
by zyxxy July 17, 2009 7:18 AM PDT
Oh, and other than the note above, I echo your point. It is all about margin, not CPU computing level. For many, the combination of cost, size, connectivity and battery life, makes a netbook a compelling portable device.
by Timtropolis July 17, 2009 6:26 AM PDT
Here's another thing to consider, if the Google OS is even halfway decent, the netbook becomes a no brainer.
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by Seaspray0 July 17, 2009 6:42 AM PDT
Google OS will be a stripped down version of ubuntu with a browser, both of which currently run on less than 2% of computers.. Consumers will want to know why they should get this over a full fledged operating system that will do more than browse. They haven't gotten a good answer.
by Timtropolis July 17, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
understood, but I don't think that's the point of the netbook. Its meant to be a lightweight alternative to a full blown laptop. If you can get all your needs from the net (which google can easily provide,) and then throw in OpenOffice, I would think that the OS that they are going to offer would be a perfect solution (assuming it is what they say it will be lol).
by jlt0x July 17, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
How does the CULV-based notebook perform compared to the Netbooks?

Is the CULV notebook faster or slower at handling the same tasks?

One of the reasons I have not gotten a Netbook is the lack of a DVD-DL-/+RW included. A missing optical drive is what sets most Netbooks different from the cheaper Notebooks. The Acer Timeline CULV notebook has a slot-loading optical drive, and a very small form factor.

What I don't know is how fast the 1.3GHz Intel processor is when using LotusNotes, firefox, AutoCAD, Costworks, Excel, Word, and working on a shared network, & etc.
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by merlion73 July 20, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
I won't call using LotusNotes, AutoCAD, etc. as light computing. If you need a DVD-DL-/+RW, you probably be editing videos? hmm... not sure that's light computing either.
by July 20, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
I upgraded the RAM and put a fast SSD drive in my eeePC. It runs NOTES great and goes from a cold start to first live web page in 60 seconds. I have several big PC's, a few notebooks, many media players and a microwave or two. Each does something better than the others. The netbook ROCKS at being light, quick, easy to carry, quick to boot. I use mine a LOT, but not exclusively. Never expected to.
by NWLB July 17, 2009 8:13 AM PDT
Intel is selling "more power" all people see is "more expensive." And the reason is simply because most folks are not gaming on their systems. They are working on the web, and that is Google's turf now.

I bought an Acer Aspire One, and I accepted the limitations because the price was right. I did not need more power, and I would not pay the same old price these re-wrapped laptops are being sold at.

With a low-end system, which surfs the web, typing notes, none of which requiring either high-power nor Windows, you open the door for a Google OS. Chrome might not counter Windows on desktops. But surely for netbooks, which you can't do much high-end work with anyway, a well known brand like Google might do better than some think.

And once people break that barrier to using another OS, and people start developing for Chrome, then you see prospects of change.
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by derekwwww July 17, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
"slightly higher price", "just a bit more money", "almost as inexpensive" ... not true!

your article says CULV based notebooks start at $600 to $1000, compared to netbooks which run between $200 and $500. that's 2x to 3x the price! not what i would call "slightly higher price".
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by beesh July 17, 2009 10:35 AM PDT
EXACTLY. Erica you've been DUPED by some PR people at Intel. Paying TWICE the price for a "thin notebook" is too much.
by Raabscuttle July 17, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
Will ULV lappies replace the toys known as netbooks. No, they haven't before and they will not now. ULV lappies have been here for a long time, but it will come down to the same thing tha it does now - price. The Netbook crowd is willing to pay next to nothing for smart phone spec laptops - and I do not see that changing anytime soon.
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by LFGUY July 17, 2009 9:01 AM PDT
It is interesting to follow the trend in Netbooks themselves, for example having started out with screen sizes under 9" running Linux and now the category has mostly shifted to 10"+ running Windows XP. That suggests most people have been buying them as cheap, ultraportalbe, notebooks rather than as a pure "netbook:" (meaning purely a thin client for connecting to the Internet). While I haven't seen market data, that also suggests that netbook success has shifted to the higher end of the netbook price range, making the jump to this new category rather modest. So, yes, I do buy that a substantial percentage of customers who might have gone for a netbook will now go for this new category.

At the same time I think there will be new categories/sub-categories of mobile devices that emerge which will be attractive to those seeking true mobility. I, for example, have minimal interest in a netbook that is nothing more than a notebook put in a dryer for too long. But I would jump at a tablet form-factor device with a 7" (ok, anything between 5 and 9) screen and a real touch-oriented user interface.
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by cosuna July 17, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
Agree with you'll... Intel didn't create the Netbook phenomenon. They invented the Atom as a challenge to VIA's cheap x86. Their engineers created a simple and fast x86 implementation, without all the "bell-and-whistles". After the netbook stole Intel's (and Microsoft's) bottom-line, they are trying to untangle the mess.

The author is forgetting that in most emerging countries $400 bucks is the monthly wage. $600 means a month and a half. This kind of thinking has ostracized the U.S. in most of its policies, and Intel and Microsoft are no strangers to this argument. Netbooks are an excellent entry point for most people and the Atom is an excellent implementation of the x86 chipset. Combined with the NVIDIA Ion, they should give a run for their money to CULV, cause remember, the Core 2 Duo wasn't meant for low-power, so less power could really mean less performance, or worst yet, a performance barrier based on the TDP, and its implications during 100% cpu usage.
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by Captain Bebops July 17, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
I have an eee-PC and two full notebooks. I found that most of the time when traveling all I needed was to check webmail and get news off the Internet. The eee-PC with LInux booted up in 30 seconds, no long wait as one would have with a Windows notebook. No worry about viruses either. If I need more I have the other notebooks.
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by alqaqish July 17, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Neither, consumers and in particular students will look for the best all around notebook for the money. Sure some may buy a netbook (not very ideal for school work) or for a few hundred more get a CULV notebook with an 12 or 13" display. Better of course than the netbook but still not great for school work. I view both of these offerings as niche products for people on the go and need to perform minimal tasks (reading emails browse internet etc.)

Dell currently offers 13, 14, 15, & 17" Inspiron laptops for less than $500 (http://www.dell.com/home/laptops). Unless you really need to have the extra long battery life why would anyone spend more money for a CULV which will in all likelihood will perform slower than the current Intel Dual Core chips?

If portability and battery life are the two main factors in the consumers decision making then CULV may have a chance.
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by megustansalchichas July 17, 2009 10:31 AM PDT
The netbook is for reading your email and updating your facebook -and reading erica ogg's columns. you don't need fancy hardware for that.
If the manufacturers are trying to attract people to spend more money by offering better hardware at slightly higher prices than netbooks that's great, as that's what competition is supposed to do. Remember the days when you HAD to spend over a thousand dollars if you wanted a portable computer?
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by rahighfield July 17, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
You completely missed the point of netbooks. Most people who buy one already have a full-featured notebook. Because the netbook is so cheap they can afford an extra machine for use where ultra-lightweight and size is required, and where high performance is not. Basically, in Starbucks! people use netbooks for, guess what? net browsing, but they can do a bit more with them if they need to. They don't need a CULV, especially at the higher price point as it will be on top of the cost of their regular notebook.
And as for features, the latest netbooks have lots of features. They run everyday software just fine, especially if you can work with Linux, as this operating system makes them snappy. If the CULV is to succeed, it must take buyers from higher in the market, ie from full-featured notebook buyers, so profits will reduce, not increase. Just see!
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by PC72 July 17, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
I think the real loser will be traditional notebooks, rather than netbooks. If the CULV class of machines thrives, it'll be because they do almost as much as a regular notebook in terms of high end processing, and will be lighter and more portable to boot. Overall, all this will do to the industry is bring down price points for similar functionality from $1,500+ today to CULV pricing of $800-1,200. Pretty shortsighted on the part of the OEMs, but great for all of us.
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by jvin248 July 17, 2009 4:22 PM PDT
"A notebook can never be too light or too inexpensive" - wisdom from long ago.
The netbook is that form factor - the size of a standard business book you'd carry on a plane or train. Why the focus on thin but a big screen with the CULV's? I don't have pockets to fit those things.

For portability, I run Ubuntu on a 1999 pentium-3 running at 500Mhz and use full Open Office and Firefox - most netbooks are running processors at three times that performance.

So I plan to upgrade to a netbook this fall with the coming price wars. There will be amazing deals between the ARM and Atom processor netbooks (many running linux - or can be re-installed with linux). I'm looking for the pricing to settle between $100 and $200. Yes - sub $200! Then what happens to that notebook market?... Especially when there is a VGA port out that can be hooked to your desktop wide-monitor or projector and USB ports for a bigger keyboard when desk-bound.

Fun times for those manufacturers that think creatively.
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by Weudel July 20, 2009 6:19 AM PDT
You can also get amazing deals on older netbooks, now.... If all you're looking to do is run Ubuntu (Netbook Remix) and Open Office then some of the older SSD models are more than enough.... and you can find deals in the sub-$150 range...
You can run EeeBuntu (Base) and Open Office on as little as a 4GB SSD...
I know the 160GB hard drives seem to be the standard now, but they seem superfluous for this genre, and SSDs are much more rugged.
by July 17, 2009 9:56 PM PDT
Like most mobile devices, the bottleneck on a laptop computer or Netbook is on the input side, specifically the keyboard. For many people like myself, Netbook keyboards are nearly impossible to use efficiently. Alas I have found there are two excellent portable keyboards one can buy to deal with this issue. Goldtouch makes a good fold-up keyboard (Go Travel), and Atek makes a good solid but portable keyboard (OnBoard Travel Keyboard). There are also rubber keyboards out there but they replace one problem with another since they are so wobbly.
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