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May 19, 2009 4:49 AM PDT

Palm Pre to arrive June 6 for $200

by Bonnie Cha
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Sprint Nextel and Palm announced on Tuesday an official release date and pricing for the Palm Pre.

The Pre will be available nationwide on June 6 for $199.99 after a $100 mail-in rebate and with a two-year contract on Sprint's Everything Data plan or Business Essentials with Messaging and Data plan. In addition to Sprint stores, the Pre will be sold online and at Best Buy, RadioShack, and some Wal-Mart Stores.

Accessories for Palm's Web OS-based smartphone will also be available June 6, including the Touchstone Charging Kit (Touchstone dock and Touchstone back cover), which will retail for $69.99. Alternatively, you can buy the dock and back cover separately for $49.99 and $19.99, respectively. (A regular charger will be included in the sales package.) The Pre will provide access to such Sprint content as Sprint Navigation, Sprint TV, and Nascar Sprint Cup Mobile Live.

Interestingly, the release date is a Saturday, which in some ways is a good move since it allows for weekend sales. Making the Pre available at other retailers is also a nice move. However, June 6 is two days before the start of Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, where we'll most likely see a new iPhone announcement. Currently, the 8GB iPhone 3G goes for $199 with a two-year contract and AT&T offers a range of voice and text messaging plans on top of the required $30 a month data plan. You can check out our comparison chart here.

That said, I'm curious: will you wait to hear about the new iPhone before making a purchase? What do you think about the Pre's pricing? Are you like me and just happy to finally know the price and release date? Please share your thoughts.

Bonnie Cha is a senior editor for CNET, covering smartphones and GPS. When she's not testing the latest gadgets, you can find her chasing after her crazy lab or surfing in the chilly waters of Northern California. E-mail Bonnie.
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by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 5:04 AM PDT
Nice
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by Harlan879 May 19, 2009 5:09 AM PDT
Could you find out if the same Sprint service plan that works for the Centro ($70/mo unlimited) will work for the Pre?
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by 1PTUser May 19, 2009 7:05 AM PDT
If you're referring to the $69.99 Simply Everything Plan, then your answer is... Yes!
by ncprince May 19, 2009 5:12 AM PDT
Great price point
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by steel36 May 19, 2009 5:12 AM PDT
And what are the plan requirements?
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by darkpoet25 May 19, 2009 5:27 AM PDT
You would need to get a Sprint Everything plan. I believe they start at $49.99 on up to $99.99 for Unlimited Everything. For anyone looking to pick this up at a local Wal Mart, I suggest checking a store online. We carry Sprint online but not at all stores. I know the one I work at only carries AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile.
by ibeetle May 19, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
@darkpoet25-
I wish I lived in your area. In mine (NYC area) Sprints Everything plan is a flat out $99; no up to anything, and certainly does not start at anywhere near $49.99. You want it? It's a hundred bucks; period.

At $30.00 a month more than the AT&T iPhone plan the Pre is going to be a hard sell in one of the largest markets in the U.S.

This part of the country is already Verizon country (you even think anything bad about the big V and people will chase you with sticks) number 2 is AT&T because of the iPhone (NYC is still in love with the iPod and iPhone). With a perceived overpriced plan the Pre will be dead before the Sprint stores close for the day.
by bknowledge May 19, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
@ibettle It's the Everything Data ($69.99) that you have to sign up for and not the Simple Everything ($99.99) plan. And that is for the NYC area.
by tcr071 May 19, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
$30 more? Where in the world do you get that information? The iPhone plans are at least $20 more than the Spring plans for the Palm Pre and they don't offer anywhere NEAR as much services like turn by turn GPS, live TV, etc.

Sprint - $99. Includes EVERYTHING. GPS, Unlimited Talk, Unlimited Text Messaging, Unlimited Data, Mobile TV, etc. EVERYTHING.

Sprint - $69.99. 450 minutes but includes everything else from the "simply everything" plan above.

iPhone - $69.99 - 450 Minutes. Unlimited Data.
iPhone - $20.00 - Unlimited text

$69.99 < $89.99.

Palm Pre is going to cost me $500 less to own over the course of the contract than the iPhone. I hope Apple manages to convince its customers that it is $500 better than the competition.
by 1PTUser May 19, 2009 6:59 AM PDT
A SimplyEverything plan is NOT needed. As per the press release "...Everything Data plan or Business Essentials with Messaging and Data plan." You need an unlimited data plan. Considering all that this device does with its "synergy" features, it only makes sense. Feature for feature, Sprint plans are usually more affordable - often significantly more affordable.
by strykernyc May 19, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
Or my plan; $49 Unlimited Data, 1350 mins and free nights/wkend + free after 6pm + free sprint to sprint.
I love sprint and I can't wait to get the pre on the same plan :)
by darkpoet25 May 19, 2009 6:47 PM PDT
@ibeetle, thanks for pointing that out to me. Yeah I meant the Everything data plan, not the $99 Simply Everything plan. That was a goof on my part.
by tipoo_ May 19, 2009 5:14 AM PDT
Rebate...


*Shakes fist*
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by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
Yes, there are a lot of people who never send in for a rebate.
by capnvan May 19, 2009 8:58 AM PDT
A *whole* lot of people never get their rebate - up to 50%.

The mail-in rebate is a sign of *************.
by myles taylor May 19, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
Yea the whole rebate thing is a marketing thing. It allows people to advertise lower prices than what you'll actually pay and then company makes money when you don't send in your rebate. The only person who stands to lose in the rebate process is the consumer.

On the other hand, some savvy shoppers sneak in and are able to get amazing deals. These people are the minority though.

So now Sprint can advertise the Pre as $200 even though you'll have to pay $300 out of pocket to get one.

Rebates are a major FAIL in my opinion. Just me though.
by Rolund27 May 19, 2009 3:32 PM PDT
Rebates are for marketing but it is also to offset costs on the books. Sprint has to pay Palm $300 per Pre sold. So by offering a $100 rebate they can advertise the same price but they don't have to put a big negative in there cash flo by all the purchases right away. This allows them to pay you $100 after you are already sending them a monthly fee. (and not everyone sends them in)
by RussJr May 19, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
Indeed the rebates smack of "bait and switch" types of sales pitches. I suggest that they would be declared illegal, but the sales tax is collected on the whole upfront costs. So, the government(s) get up to 10% in some municipalities. Thus, the practice of rebates remains a great source of revenue with little reason for change. The consumer, on the other hand, would rather not play the game as the odds are against them getting the rebate are poor. And they pay up to a 10% premium to play.

I normally pass on anything with a rebate unless I feel it is worth the upfront cost. If I get the rebate back, then so be it. That said, the whole process diminishes the reputation of the company offering the rebates. Palm should know better.
by billeeyum May 19, 2009 5:06 PM PDT
Since this phone is available at Best Buy the smart thing to do would be get it there because they just charge the 199 and then do the rebate themselves, so you don't have to deal with it.
by doublebullout May 20, 2009 7:06 AM PDT
I have never -- never -- had trouble getting a rebate payment that I was qualified to get. I don't understand the confusion over rebates. Are there just a bunch of people who can't figure out the rebate instructions?
by HANGINTEN May 19, 2009 5:16 AM PDT
Wow, about time! Sounds to me though!
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by haub123 May 19, 2009 5:28 AM PDT
Finally. Price? Check. Release? Check. Plan? Check. Anything else? Let's wait and see.
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by darkpoet25 May 19, 2009 5:31 AM PDT
Bonnie, will there be a Prizefight between the Pre and the new iPhone upon it's release? I would love to see a comparison between the two.
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by bonnie.cha May 19, 2009 5:39 AM PDT
You can bet on it!
by ace10134 May 19, 2009 5:43 PM PDT
Pre wins hands down. Multitasking already puts in way over the iPhone. Windows Mobile even beats the iPhone due to that fact.
by seven7dust May 20, 2009 3:03 AM PDT
the only thing window mobile does well is crash !
by Vegaman_Dan May 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
@Seven7dust:

"the only thing window mobile does well is crash !"

It also brings out the best in people like you... Not really much more that can be said about that.
by GatorRock May 19, 2009 5:38 AM PDT
So you can get the Touchstone charging pack for $69.99 or you can buy them separately for $69.98? Yep makes sense...
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by TY-Photography May 19, 2009 5:49 AM PDT
I noticed that too! Why bundle them at all?
by miles4444 May 19, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
So you can buy another one for the office without paying for another back cover.
by molotov May 19, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
Once the new iPhone comes out; the Pre will be pre-historical!
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by Alex Alexzander May 19, 2009 5:53 AM PDT
Please, the iPhone was yesterday's news from day one. It's been a pathetic device. About time Palm blew Apple out of the water, again...
by seven7dust May 19, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
Not really and that's coming from a Apple fan like me
The pre has the iPhone beat in many areas
Now it's time for Apple to play catchup
by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
"by seven7dust May 19, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
Not really and that's coming from a Apple fan like me
The pre has the iPhone beat in many areas
Now it's time for Apple to play catchup"

I too am an AppleFanMan, but we will have to wait and see if there will be a cage match. Apple may be playing catchup or they will leap ahead.
by kaibelf May 19, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
" by Alex Alexzander May 19, 2009 5:53 AM PDT
Please, the iPhone was yesterday's news from day one. It's been a pathetic device. About time Palm blew Apple out of the water, again..."

You DO watch the news, right? If it's such a pathetic device, why is it such a massive hit? And also, if you go out on a street, just about anyone knows what an iPhone is. How many know what a Pre is?
by ace10134 May 19, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
the iPhone was only good due to successful marketing. The Pre easily beats the iPhone in all sections. I mean, you can even multitask! The iPhone still can't do that! Oh, and Windows Mobile could multitasks for years now! The iPhone is ancient technology, nothing new about it.
by molotov May 20, 2009 5:12 AM PDT
any blackberry = battery drain when using apps.

any windows mobile = bad software, clunky interface, displeasure to use.

any iPhone = beauty to use, simple UI, best for you
by BBTechCoach May 19, 2009 5:50 AM PDT
I think the price point is spot on (rebate=Fail though). I wonder if Jobs & Co. will try to undercut. The only thing that would give me pause on this purchase would be a CDMA iPhone 3rd gen, but considering the temperature in the underworld I doubt that will happen.
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by AndrewRich May 19, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
My thought exactly. If Apple offered a Sprint/CDMA iPhone with a slide-out keyboard I'd already have one.
by thelemurking May 19, 2009 5:51 AM PDT
Hopefully this will do better than the Instinct. The Instinct was rushed to market to beat the iPhone and it failed miserably. I loved my Instinct the first couple of weeks, but the more I used it, the more bugs I discovered, the more it crashed, the more it froze and the more I had to take it back to Sprint to have it replaced. I am now on my 4th Instinct and this one has a bad habit of randomly calling people.

I hope Sprint isn't pulling a round 2 with the Pre. Palm has a lot more at stake with this phone than Samsung did with the Instinct. The Pre looks to be like a very nice phone, but I think I am going to drop Sprint and go with the iPhone 3.0 when it comes out.
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by TedRaskol May 19, 2009 5:52 AM PDT
eh i'm probably going to go ahead and line up on day one. the issue of multiple retailers is troubling... I live in the city and am surrounded by 2 radio shacks, a best buy, and 2 sprint stores. i guess i'll have to run around on June 6.

start with the sprint store, though?
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by mavric04 May 19, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
best head to the srpint store radio shack will not get the pre on day one more like day 254
i know i work for them
by bigmc6000 May 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
I seriously doubt you're going to need to line up...
by donovanrs28 May 19, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
I personally would head over to your local Best Buy. They don't have any rebates, it's all instant. So you will only pay the $199 + tax versus $299 + tax then - rebate. I currently have the HTC Pro and really considering this phone. It looks great....
by leodavinci314 May 19, 2009 5:54 AM PDT
It seems people are overhyping this phone simply because it is an iPhone rival, just like they did with the Storm and G1, and they were given horrible reviews after they were released (the Storm had an approximate return rate of 50%). People still don't know the details about the Pre, only the UI. We know it runs only WebOS applications, which the iPhone was slammed for before the released the app store. For those that don't know, WebOS apps have very limited functionality, and give you the abilities you would find in a webpage only, nothing more complex. Also, Palm is now officially in the top 5 most short sold companies in the US. See here:

http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commentary/trading_floor_blog.aspx?ID=92511

The most recent estimate is that 34% of the stock is short sold. See here:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/08/research-in-motion-personal-finance-guru-insight-iphone-blackberry.html

For those who don't know, short selling means you make money when the stock goes down. Thus, wall street is really expecting that Palm stock will plummet soon. Articles on this state that they think the hype of the Pre is overinflated, and that the Pre will severely underwhelm. Considering Palm is hiding the true details about it, I don't doubt this to be true.
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by pjhenry1216 May 19, 2009 7:06 AM PDT
You're incorrect about what the WebOS is capable of. It can do more than what you can get on a web page only. Just because it uses the language as its main architecture does *not* mean you can't put in anything on top of it. Its obvious from the interface alone that its more than a web page (or did you think that the interface looks like a web page?). The interface has the same limitations as any of the apps that run on it. Seeing as how the interface has more power than a web page, your statement is blatantly false.

The iPhone *never* ran WebOS applications because WebOS is proprietary and never existed before the Pre. To say the iPhone was slammed for running only WebOS apps is ridiculous.

The stock market isn't a reliable indicator for the success of something that hasn't even come out yet.
by DirkBelig May 19, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
Ah, the Cupertino Kool-Aid drinkers foist their FUD because suddenly, they are the ones facing fear, uncertainty, and doubt over their Almighty Jesus Phone's continued supremacy.

The fanboys act as if the iPhone 3.0 announcement will bring some heretofore unknown feature when we already know what's coming: a software revamp (adding copy & paste, finally, after two years) and a faster CPU for the phone (goodbye battery life) and probably a better camera. Woohoo. *ahem* That Apple is suddenly trying to add in background app support after two years of telling their cultists that they didn't need it - shades of Sony and the rumble-less Sixaxis controller - show they're worried about what the Pre is bringing to market.

As for the dire predictions of the analysts: remember, you can't spell analyst without the anal. These lazy schmucks are totally in thrall to the meme that Apple is invincible and nothing, nay, NOTHING could ever challenge Lord Jobs fully operational battle station. Yeah, right. And AOL would rule online forever, like Yahoo ruled search and Friendster ruled social networking. That Google can't seem to get Android rolling shows that having advantages means nothing without execution.

Things change and the Pre is the change we've been waiting for. The iPhone is played out - everyone's got one now and no one oooohs or aaahs over them anymore - and passe. People want the new hotness and the Pre may be just the ticket. Maybe it'll be just another G1 or Storm, a pretender. Who knows? With former Apple design gurus on the case, I doubt it, and that's what frightens fanboys and Apple the most. Confident people don't act scared. Apple and their minions are acting very, very scared.
by leodavinci314 May 19, 2009 8:42 AM PDT
No pjhenry, the WebOS apps are only as good as the language they are written in, which is as good as a web page. The UI of the phone is obviously different from the apps it can run. Also, the iPhone ran web applications, which is basically the same thing as WebOS. THe iPhone was slammed for this and now it is somehow a feature with the Pre. Any educated person will have understood this.

Also, whether you like wall street or not, they have an excellent track record for these things (look it up), mostly because we tend to have inside information you don't. Bet on Palm if you want, but you will lose.
by leodavinci314 May 19, 2009 8:49 AM PDT
Dirkberg, so anyone who questions the Pre is suddenly a fanboy? People are going nuts about a device they know next to nothing about. People who question the hype are simply trying to make people aware of how impartial the online community is being towards the Pre, just like they did with previous phones. People never learn. We will know once the features of the Pre are revealed, but anyone who goes out and buys one on the spot without knowing anything about it, other than it has a slick UI, will be burned like the previous folks who bought the Storm and G1.
by DirkBelig May 19, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
Jeez, I forgot to mention that iPhone won't have a hardware keyboard nor genuine multitasking.

For you to mention Wall Street's infallible crystal balls in the wake of the utter collapse of the major chunks of our economy and the nationalization under our Dear Leader's command shows how detached from reality you are. When the PlayStation 3 came out, your sage analysts predicted it was a slamdunk winner since Sony ruled the previous videogame generation. How'd that turn out, hmmm? From first to worst, that's how!!!

No one is even implying that the Palm will slay Apple with the Pre or Eos. All that open-minded folks are pointing out is that there now appears to be a viable alternative to Jesus Phone for those who don't want to be mindless herd followers.
by leodavinci314 May 19, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
Actually Dirkberg the PS3 didn't affect the perception of Sony stock much (on average). However, it was widely believed that the PS3 would initially not do as well once it was clear they were sacrificing price and release date for their Blu-Ray technology (which was a smart business move by the way, since the PS3 is what tipped the scales to lead to Blu-Ray's victory). Wall street has a lot of experience in knowing about a company's actions and relating these to how the company will perform., and Palm's actions point to the Pre being underwhelming.
by -Roddly May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
Yep, WebOS isn't very capable. For instance, it won't support Flash whereas Iphone can...owait
by DirkBelig May 19, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
@leodafanboy314 - If it looks, swims and quacks like an Apple fanboy, then what shall we call it?

Rule #1 of Being a Fanboy: When called out for your fanboyism, deny being a fanboy! (I hate how fanboys never own their fanboyism. We see what you are, so why not own it!)

You've spewed nothing but fanboyspeak, beclowning yourself with easily smacked-down remarks about the iPhone running WebOS (wow, Apple is waaay ahead of Palm to the point of having Palm's OS first!) and trolling comments like, "the hype of the Pre is overinflated, and that the Pre will severely underwhelm. Considering Palm is hiding the true details about it, I don't doubt this to be true."

Hiding the true details? What true details is Palm hiding? You act as if Sprint/Palm are going to foist a million useless units out there on June 6th and then do a Nelson Muntz laugh at their customers as they realize they got stuck with little more than Tamagotchis. What color is the sky of your home world where you think something like that could happen here? If anyone can slipshod their way around, it's Apple because they know they could box up plastic-coated guano and the sheep will line up for days to get their own iGuano.

Android is suffering because Google doesn't really need it to survive. The BB Storm could be half-arsed because RIM has a zillion other workhorse models to sell. But Palm and Sprint are in dire straits like a batter coming up in the bottom of the ninth, two out, bases loaded, and three runs down on the scoreboard. They have to hit a home run for both of their survivals, so doesn't it go to figure they'd take their best cut at it? They may strike out, but at least they're trying to do something whereas Apple just has to keep treading water because they know their uncritical customers will take anything they're given.

The timing of the launch looks like this to me: Palm is throwing down the gauntlet and daring Apple to beat the Pre. Most people will wait a couple of days after its launch to see what Apple's bid is, look at the reviews, and then decide what looks best. If the iFone is more same-old with pricier service plans (the fact AT&T is rumored to be offering gimped "budget" plans shows their sensitivity to costs in a bad economy), then the Pre should do well. This isn't Highlander and "there can be only one!" I'm sure Palm/Sprint will gladly take a strong #2 position behind the Apple herd.

The difference between those interested in the Pre vs. the iFone fanboys is that the Pre people are interested in the facts while the fanboys are merely awaiting Lord Jobs orders to assemble at the Apple stores and hand over their money. If the next iPhone is superior to the Pre, the Pre people will admit it; Apple cultists will never reciprocate. It's not in their belief system to consider anything but their Chosen One to be King.
by RitoMan May 19, 2009 5:55 AM PDT
I just canceled my service with sprint because they wouldn't hurry up!! We'll se if they make me come back. Love u Bonnie <3
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by bseaton12 May 19, 2009 6:56 AM PDT
Did it make sense to pay more for a plan (doesn't matter were you went you're paying more for less) because they didn't tell you a release date for a PHONE in your time frame? Please say that the Sprint coverage in your area is bad or something! That decision would some sort of of logic to it.
by RitoMan May 19, 2009 3:04 PM PDT
Well, my reason for canceling my contract is that they gave me a Blackberry at work, instead of turning in my phone from work, i just canceled my personal one. This way i don't have to pay for a monthly service. :)
by nSeika May 19, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
Waiting for the reviews.
So what if the new iPhone is out, that?s two product to review (and read).
While waiting for the GSM version?s international release date.
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by SkeetjchMan May 19, 2009 5:58 AM PDT
I don't know how many others I can speak for, but I simply can't afford a simply everything /' business data plan. I find it quite disheartening that the device has wi-fi and yet still forces you to have their high-end data plans.

I easily spend upwards of 90% of my day in a wi-fi area and I don't even live in a major metropolitan city. I just think it's frustrating that Sprint, as well as Palm, have chosen to leave out those unable to shell out the $100's, or even $1000's a year to afford such a nice phone that would be able to function without a simply everything plan.
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by 1PTUser May 19, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
A SimplyEverything plan is NOT needed. As per the press release "...Everything Data plan or Business Essentials with Messaging and Data plan." You just need an unlimited data plan.
by May 20, 2009 5:37 AM PDT
Yes, but data plans nonetheless are still too expensive for both myself and a large percentage of people I know.

What I'm against is requiring using a data plan when most of anyone's given day (or anyone who'd be interested in this slick device, anyway) is spent in a wi-fi cloud, which last time I checked was faster than any 3G network and, best of all, free. Why even bother throwing a wi-fi feature in if the data plan is required?

It's all quite depressing. Maybe I'm excessively poor, but if the phone is going to require the pricey plan, I'm unfortunately not going to be able to purchase it purely because of that.
by jluptak17 May 20, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
If you can't afford a $70 per month data plan then you don't need a smart phone. Get a nice texting phone and call it a day.
by hollyhock May 19, 2009 6:01 AM PDT
Great to finally see the details. I will not switch to Sprint though (tried them once, horror story). Any details on how long the Pre will remain exclusive to Sprint? Will other carriers (AT&T?) get a version of the device? Can't wait to see the hands on reviews!
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by DesignedByCommittee May 19, 2009 6:12 AM PDT
I've been a rabid Apple fan for a decade, but the iPhone does look stale next to the Pre. My iPhone contract expires next month, and I plan to hold out and see what the new iPhone has. If Apple fails to put some serious kung-fu into the new iPhone, then I'll definitely go to the Pre.

If all Apple does is some minor tweeks, and perhaps offer the iPhone in new fruity colors, them it's safe to say that the iPhone has "jumped the shark".
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by seven7dust May 19, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
Well the iPhone still has many areas qhwere it's ahead
Applications for one
Plus I prefer the virtual keyboard over a small plastic qwerty
But I'm still exited about the pre because of the web o.s
by bluelight421 May 19, 2009 6:15 AM PDT
I think it's a good move for Sprint and Palm however I still wonder whether or not the Pre will gain enough momentum to pull people from other carriers as the iPhone did. I personally would switch to try out the Pre if I didn't have the iPhone, but I don't think I would be willing to terminate my contract as so many people have to switch to the iPhone. The phone definately has the potential to put the iPhone in its place, but who knows what Mr. Schiller has up his sleve for WWDC.
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