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April 29, 2009 8:00 PM PDT

Pure Digital not flipping out over a little competition

by Erica Ogg
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Flip UltraHD video camcorder

New Flip UltraHD camcorder

(Credit: Pure Digital)

The success of Pure Digital's original Flip Video has launched a slew of copycat products, and Pure Digital CEO Jonathan Kaplan embraces it.

"It makes me even more proud of the team," he said in an interview this week. "Imitation is an absolutely fine form of flattery. I'm happy every time a competitor launches a new product."

Kaplan's sunny outlook on the competition likely stems from the relative lack of success they have had. Electronics makers much larger and longer-established than the San Francisco-based maker of tiny flash-based digital camcorders--like Sony and Kodak--have attempted to cut themselves a slice of the market. But none has tapped into the almost inexplicable appeal of the slightly boxy, plasticky handheld video camera with the pop-out USB arm, which gets a refresh on Thursday. Plus, now that Cisco Systems has agreed to purchase Pure Digital, the company will have an even bigger platform to stand on.

"We haven't seen significant erosion (of market share) from some of the bigger names that have entered, such as Sony, Kodak or RCA," said Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis for The NPD Group. Besides jumping into the market later, Sony's WebbieHD and Kodak's Zi6 are rendered less convenient and sometimes more expensive by either not including a USB connector or additional memory cards, according to Rubin.

As of February, Pure Digital's Flip cameras were the top selling of similar devices that cost $200 or less in its category, followed by Aiptek, which makes the A-HD camera, Taiwan's DXG Technology, RCA, and Sakar, according to NPD. Though NPD doesn't give out retail data on individual companies, Kaplan claims Pure Digital sells "under 10 million" Flip cameras worldwide per year. That's actually good enough to be the No. 2 seller of digital video camcorders in the U.S., regardless of price, putting them right behind Sony.

Now the device that basically invented the $200 flash memory-based digital camcorder category is getting some tweaks in an attempt to keep competitors at bay. The Ultra model, first introduced in 2007, is branching off into two devices: the Ultra II and the Ultra HD. The biggest change is the addition of high-def recording capabilities to the UltraHD. Video is shot in 30 frames per second (fps) and encoded at 720p, the same resolution as high-definition sports broadcasts. The 8GB of internal flash memory allow up to two hours of recording. It also gets a slightly larger, 2-inch LCD screen, and a soft touch coating, and now has the option of charging via the pop-out USB arm or by removable rechargeable batteries. It will be available at Amazon.com, Best Buy, and Wal-Mart on Thursday for $200. See CNET's full reviews of both new Ultra devices here.

The Ultra II is essentially the same, except it's not HD, and has just 4GB flash memory and therefore a cheaper price tag at $150.

All the changes made to the Ultra line are things Kaplan says he's been nagged by customers to change. Many parents are using it as a kind of "brag book," and want to playback video directly on the device and a 1.5-inch screen wasn't cutting it, he said. And adding HD was a must: "People are all upgrading their TV sets and want high quality" for video playback at home.

But while he's OK with competitors copying his device, Kaplan says he's less inclined to reciprocate. The main feature Pure Digital's products do not have that others, like Toshiba's Camileo, do: 1080p high definition recording. And there are no current plans to add that any time soon.

"We don't think 1080p provides a tremendous value to the consumer. It wouldn't be better than 720p," he said, likening it to the difference between a 10-megapixel camera and a 12-megapixel camera. In other words, the average consumer wouldn't be able to tell the difference nor necessarily need it for at least another two years, he said.

"That's not to say you don't display 1080 on your TV, but you don't display at 1080 on YouTube," which is the main destination for most videos filmed on Flip cameras, he said.

The next big thing on the agenda for Kaplan and company is integrating into new parent company Cisco. The deal is expected to close later this year. Once that happens, Kaplan says there are definitely "networked" Flip video cameras in store, as well as new ways of moving that video through various consumer devices around the home in a way that will demystify the process that can be intimidating for many consumers.

"The consumer has traditionally been afraid of video," Kaplan said. He thinks being hooked up with Cisco will bring a fundamental change to the industry, causing him to make a rather bold promise: "The way Apple has revolutionized music, we will revolutionize video."

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by MagiMamoru April 30, 2009 4:22 AM PDT
Cough, Rio, Cough
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by davinp April 30, 2009 5:27 AM PDT
You forgot to mention the Creative Vado HD, which kills the Flip Nano HD. The Creative Vado HD one PC Magazine Editor's Choice
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by tychay--2008 June 18, 2009 11:06 PM PDT
There is no Flip Nano HD. There's the Flip MinoHD and the Flip UltraHD.

At the time of release, the Flip MinoHD was out and I believe CNET (and LAPTOP Magazine) claimed that the Vado HD had a cheaper price, removable battery, HDMI output, and 2 hours of record time) while the MinoHD had better contrast control and picture. Coincidentally all the features mentioned in the Vado HD are now in the UltraHD line. Given that the street price of it is $188, that makes it competitive.

Really the only thing it gives up is the analog video out and the slim profile. On the other hand, the Vado HD has a flimsy design on the connectors and a really bland design in order to get into that slim profile.

I'm not saying that the Vado isn't a good product, I didn't get it, but that?s because the Mac support from Creative is miserable. I?m just saying that this is an article about the MinoHD and when it comes to that, it?s best to compare it to the next biggest competitor (I think the Kodak Zi6).

In the end, the spec and price difference is negligible across the line. It really comes down to taste, software, and support. These things are more like iPods and less like computers. You clearly can get a better spec'd Zune for less than an iPod but who would?
by greggeaton April 30, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
Ditto! Why is no one giving props to the Vado HD. I have one and love it.
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by CobyH June 20, 2009 3:49 AM PDT
I bought a Flip Video in December, 2008. I used it once for two hours and put it away neatly in the original box on my desk at home. I took it out in May, 2009 and it worked. I immediately changed batteries for routine purposes and it hasn't powered up since. My 90 day warranty had expired and was denied. I can't believe my situation is isolated. Their product has earned its title with me... "it ain't worth a Flip".

Oh, well. That's American business. But you need more than a catchy name to succeed in today's economy. Best of luck.
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by highlander_311 July 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
I recently purchased a flip ultra HD and it has exceeded my expectations in every way. It has great video quality, audio is good, the size is about right, and it has a very high quality feel to it as well. But the best feature is how easy it is to use - I shot my first video within 3 minutes of opening the box and not long after shared the clip with my folks who live out of state. If I didn't know better I would assume this is an Apple product. Very, very impressive device for the money.

PS - buy the ultra and not the slimmer mino and you can swap the rechargable battery pack for 2 AAs and keep on filming!
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by tiptaptip September 6, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
I love my Flip. It's easy enough to use that it can passed around at a party for people to record without having to refer to a manual to show people how to use it. Definitely has livened up events I've been to.

Not only that, I like the idea of having a standalone device as opposed to a iPhone 3GS for instance. I'd much rather pass around the Flip. People enjoy it more.
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by nElSuN777 November 13, 2009 9:51 AM PST
WELL, I SPEND LIKE TO HOURS READING THE SPECS
AND COMPARING, AND IT LEAD ME TO CNET, WISH IS
A SITE 2B TRUST 100% AND AFTER READING UR COMMENTS
I GOTTA SAY TKX TO HIGHTLANDER, LIKE THE IDEA OF
REG AA BATTERIES OR RECHARGEABLE TO KEEP ON
PARTING, SO GREAT PRODUCT, AND I THINK THE ACQUISITION
BY CISCO IS GONA MAKE IT ONE OF THE GREATEST PRODUCT
IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WELL ILL BE FLIPPING IN A FEW DAYS,
IM GONNA GO FOR THE FLIP ULTRA-HD! TKX GUYS!
NELSON A.
BROOKLYN NY
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