Adieu to the old-fashioned desktop computer?
Some giants of the PC industry are just beginning to sell tiny and cheap Netbooks and all-in-one desktops, which have the monitor and processor in the same box.
Tae-Hyun "Tiger" Cho
(Credit: Averatec)But little-known Averatec, based in Orange County, Calif., but part of Korean parent company Tri Gem, has been at it for several years. So you'll have to pardon Averatec CEO Tae-Hyun "Tiger" Cho if he believes he has a few insights to share regarding this small but growing market.
Averatec's first all-in-one desktop was introduced in 2004. But the company's main business before jumping into Netbooks last year was making 12-inch ultraportable notebooks--when most were churning out 14- and 15-inch portables--and it was making them cheaply when the competition was charging hundreds more.
Now Averatec is charging ahead with the majority of its production in just two of what happen to be the fastest-growing areas of PCs: all-in-one desktops and tiny, low-power Netbooks.
Netbooks are forecast to comprise one-fifth of the 133 million notebooks to be shipped in 2009, and the more than 3.5 million all-in-one desktops shipped in 2008 is expected to double by 2010, according to market research firm DisplaySearch. While all-in-ones are still a small part of the desktop market, it's one of the only desktop form factors that's actually growing.
The next Averatec Netbook model, due to arrive in August or September (pictured below) has been developed "from scratch" in-house at Averatec, Cho said. Besides increased attention paid to design, there's something on the inside of the forthcoming Netbook that will be markedly different from most of the field.
Averatec's upcoming 10-inch Netbooks with mystery operating system.
(Credit: Averatec)"The OS is going to be a surprise," Cho said. While he would not confirm or deny that the OS will be Android, the company will say that it will be "a merger of cell phone and PC technology."
Averatec won't be the first if it is indeed Android. Chinese PC maker Skytone announced over the weekend that it would offer a $250 Android-based Netbook, and there have been rumors of MSI doing the same. HP, Asus, and others have also said they are "experimenting" with Android on their Netbook models.
Averatec is positioning itself to take advantage of thrifty consumers and people who would welcome less intimidating approaches to technology. Cho believes all-in-ones and Netbooks are the answer.
Speaking in a mellow Australian accent, Cho calls himself a big believer in all-in-one desktops. In an interview with Crave, he said their "plug and play" capability is attractive to consumers. That is, they come in one box--no hunting the aisles for a tower and a monitor--and they have a bigger screen than most notebooks. In fact, Cho says he sees a day in the near future when traditional desktop systems will disappear from the home entirely.
"I believe that the all-in-one category is going to eclipse the (traditional) desktop category," he said, though he isn't claiming to know exactly when that will be. "But the desktop category will be split between home servers and all-in-ones, and the day we buy a tower and a screen will go away."
Averatec currently has a 22-inch standard all-in-one desktop, and another coming next month with an AMD 3250 dual-core CPU and Vista Premium, which entitles the owner to an automatic update to Windows 7 when it does finally arrive. It's just $599. That's only $100 more than the company's other 18-inch all-in-one, which falls under the category of Nettop--a desktop outfitted with Intel's Atom processor, a cheaper, lower-power CPU.
By offering cheap, self-contained PCs, Cho thinks his company is ahead of the curve. Of course, it's not the only company making them: MSI, Asus, and Shuttle each also make all-in-one desktops for between $500 and $600. All of them hope to steal market share from giants like Hewlett-Packard, Sony, and Apple, which often charge more than $1,000 for their versions of the all-in-one PC.
An 18-inch Atom-powered all-in-one desktop.
(Credit: Averatec)Cho is adamant that most consumers generally don't want to pay that much for a desktop--even the ones with a touch screen. Now, with the economy the way it is, timing couldn't be better for a budget version of those expensive all-in-ones. At that price, "HP has done a great job, but the volume, I think, is not really there," he said.
The arrival of cheaper touch-screen Atom-powered all-in-ones--or Nettops--is well-timed, he said.
"A year ago if we tried to do this, (we) wouldn't have been able to because there would have too much explanation as to what a Nettop is. But this market here understands that Netbook is a very good value proposition."
Averatec wasn't first to market with a Netbook. And when it did get there, the company's offering, the Averatec Buddy, which debuted for $449, was essentially a rebranded MSI Wind. But Cho, whose company has been in the business of selling smaller, budget-price laptops for several years, says the trend toward Netbooks has been helpful.
"The Netbook has done our business a very big favor. It's taken focus on 15.4- and 14-inch (notebooks) and focused on more light and thin form factors."
And while Averatec is venturing into 10-inch Netbooks, Cho doesn't plan on going much smaller than that because that's when Netbooks will begin to clash with smartphones, which can be a confusing value proposition for consumers, he said.
Instead, he said, he's happy to stick with 10-inch Netbooks, 12-inch laptops, and all-in-one PCs.
"As today's niches become tomorrow's mass markets, we hope to grow with that."
Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica. 
It would be nice to have a ALL IN ONE unit but this just makes the keyboard hot and I do not like that.
The monitor and tower are combined...everything else is the same. mouse, keyboard etc.
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lol =P (im just playin around. making a joke out of it while reinforcing facts. take no offense)
He says it works excellent.
The only thing they're doing different now is building in a monitor. Of course LCD monitors were not available back in "the day".
I also prefer the Asus eee Box approach: you can use any monitor, and screw the PC on the VESA mount between the screen and stand. Very nice (plus makes for a killer public display control unit). Is the monitor in the image above special-purposed ? If so, that's dumb; why replace a good monitor every time the box fails ?
Traditional desktops will probably take a huge back seat and be reserved only for those who need raw power for gaming and graphic design.
I know with a laptop what I'm buying, and what I'm going to be using it for, and understand the hardware limitations as well as th efact I can't really fix anything on it, other than slapping in more RAM or changing the hard drive. People are going to buy these things thinking they're like desktops, but when that DVD Drive breaks, and they have to buy a new computer or settle for an external one, then they'll be questioning what it's good for. Getting rid of the traditional desktop and the ability for component exchange and repair is ridiculous, and just a way for companies to suck money out of people every 2-3 years when their computer suddenly isn't fast enough because of a leap forward in software needs.
Personally I think the best way to go is a tiny PC box that clips to the back of the monitor. This seems way more natural and convenient, and you can already do it with a lot of the small pc's being sold. It would be nice to have a VESA kind of standard for clipping a pc box to the back just like the mounting system we have for monitor stands.
For instance, yesterday I saw a deal for a 23" 1080p monitor for $169, while the existing one is 19". I don't want to have to get a whole new pc just to upgrade my monitor.
Now imagine a handle on the top of the monitor, and a keyboard that clips to the front of the monitor so it also protects it in transit. You have a reasonably transportable all in one computer, larger than a laptop sure but cheaper and with a giant screen.
A built-in monitor isn't such a good idea, either. People upgrade their monitors as larger sizes become cheaper or new technologies become available.
What's feasible are new kinds of small form factor PCs, but I do hope they have PCI-E graphics card slots, because the video card is frequently upgraded by enthusiasts. these new small PCs can even fit behind an LCD monitor using the VESA slot as some already do.
Plus, I have too much crap. I have usb connections for speakers, for 3 separate external hd's, for a scanner, for a printer, a graphics tablet, external wireless card, videocam, player .... and the list keeps going on. I have two internal hard drives, an updated graphics card, an updated cd/dvd burner and it's allowed me to keep a computer at least a year longer than I'd normally keep one. In addition, with desktops, I can bring over hardware from older computers that are still useful ... SATA drives for example. Maybe that 2nd tier graphics card goes into SLI mode. Desktops have always been about upgrade ability and expandability.
They are all ergonomic disasters.
You cannot put a screen and a keyboard together for a computer in a single unit that is going to be utilized for more than 10 to 15 minutes at a time, or for several hours per day, without causing severe, long-term damage to people from poor posture and repetitive stress disorders.
As it is I prefer to be able to do things like buy a better monitor, add a hard disk or upgrade my graphics card.
We've had fads like this before and they've universally failed.
lots of people do
most of my sales are upgrades of existing computer and not brand new rigs
You could buy a newer and better monitor for less than it would cost to repair that built-in monitor.
I could see them in executive offices, the bosses office, maybe the receptionist's desk. Maybe for someone who is more interested in a comnputer that goes with their new curtains than how the unit performs.
I also wouldn't jump the boat and buy any type of computer with Android as the o/s. It's unproven and has such a tiny amount of software it would just be a waste of hardware. I wouldn't mind it in a phone since I don't need a large amount of software in my phone, but that's about it.
All-in-ones (without the monitor) have been around for ages. It's not a new idea, and just adding in a monitor doesn't make it one either. Actually, there was a portable Commodore 64 years ago that had all the audio, graphics and hardware including a disk drive and a monitor (CRT) and keyboard, all built into one case in about 1984 or there abouts.
Yawn, noting new here....
All in one desktops SUCK. The lack of upgradeability and serviceability on Macs is their biggest downfall. He's advocating making parts harder to get, more expensive and more proprietary. This is the problem with iMacs and Mac Minis. Power Supply fails? Sorry that will be $400 ($250 + $150 in labor) to fix.
ATX Power Supply fails? Bought a junky no name one? Ok, go on newegg, buy a decent Antec/ThermalTake/OCZ etc unit for $50-$100. Easy to replace, e6asy guides online. Or take it to a mom and pop shop. They'll charge you next to nothing to replace it.
Buying a computer because it's "slim and sexy" is stupid. Would you buy a car with a welded hood just because it "eliminates line on the car?". A car and a computer are meant to be serviced. Yes they will be replaced in a few years, but in the mean time having easy serviceability makes the investment a WISER buying choice.
Macs ARE NOT wise to buy from a hardware perspective. Use EFI-X if you want a Mac.
- by DrtyDogg April 28, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
- Count me out. While I do own a couple of laptops. I still use my desktop for most of my computing.
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