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April 8, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

The new TV remote: Your bare hand?

by Erica Ogg
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Motion-control TV

Ceatec attendees try out motion-controlled TV in September 2008.

(Credit: Erica Ogg/CNET)

The TV remote control of the future isn't an expensive device with an LCD screen and blinking lights. It's your hand.

The classic TV remote control most of us have grown up with has been around in essentially the same incarnation for half a century. It's been tweaked over the years, but now one company is looking at ditching the remote altogether and using a camera mounted below a TV screen that senses hand motions instead of button pushes. The result is something that seems right out of Minority Report.

But the high-tech user interface Tom Cruise coolly manipulates onscreen isn't even all that far-fetched now, thanks to incremental improvements. Until now, the most innovative new input for entertainment in the living room has been the Wii-mote, the motion-sensing remote control/wand that has made Nintendo's game console a cultural phenomenon. Swing it like a tennis racket and you can pretend you're playing tennis, point it at the screen and use it like a mouse to navigate menus.

Televisions have progressed as well, with better picture quality and capability. Now TVs can record TV shows, stream Netflix movies, check the weather, read news headlines, and skim RSS feeds. The menus on those TVs appear more and more like what we see on our computer screens, so a new interface that operates more like a mouse seems almost inevitable.

"The variety of information and programming on television is certainly stretching the limits of the four-way control pad, so manufacturers are...seeing a lot of complexity start to creep in," noted Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis for The NPD Group. As a result, TV manufacturers are trying new things, like putting new software inside remote controls or experimenting with new user interfaces onscreen.

At least one major TV manufacturer has been actively looking at how to bring a remote-less TV into the mainstream. Hitachi approached Silicon Valley-based GestureTek about using its software with a depth camera to track movement and translate it into onscreen commands. It's still just a prototype, but Hitachi demonstrated it at Ceatec last year and at CES in January.

It works like this: The camera is affixed somewhere below the screen, and locks on to one hand of a person standing in front of it, picking up predetermined gestures (waving to the side will navigate left or right, lingering over a certain spot is the equivalent of clicking with a mouse). The software tells the camera to ignore extraneous movements or other people's hands, should they come into the view of the camera--thus fighting over the remote control will take on a whole new meaning.

The camera is a depth camera, which means it senses movement that is horizontal, vertical, toward, and away from it. The gestures can be tuned to page through menus and select letters to search show titles. But the actual capabilities will be determined by each TV manufacturer, who would decide how such an interface would work on their TV.

GestureTek has been around for two decades, and has been making motion-control software for nearly that long. The software has been used in games for cell phones in Japan, as well as add-on devices to game consoles, like the EyeToy for Sony's PlayStation and the Webcam for the Xbox 360.

The company says that gesture-based controls are the ultimate solution for entertainment in the living room--no more hunting for the remote that has once again lodged itself between sofa cushions, or remembering which drawer you put the game controller in.

But besides that, this could be yet another way besides extras like onscreen widgets or Netflix-streaming capability that TV makers can add to bump up the price of some LCD or plasma. Having a motion-sensing TV is a more tangible way to stand out from other brands on the shelf beyond slight improvements in contrast resolution and refresh rates, noted Rubin.

TV makers "need to be conscious of bottom line, but in the time period before we have the next picture-quality breakthrough in OLED, there's a scramble to add things to the television experience that manufacturers have been reluctant to add before," he said. "The industry is looking beyond low-hanging fruit to attract new buyers, particularly at the high end."

The remoteless TV, when it does eventually hit stores, will almost certainly be available only on premium sets.

"The gating factor right now is the cost of the depth cameras," William Leckonby, CEO of GestureTek, said recently in an interview.

Depth cameras cost 10 to 20 times more than a Webcam today, but they can do things Web cams can't, like taking out background movement. But that price difference "won't be an issue" in the next 18 months, Leckonby says. There are a handful of companies working to get the cost of each camera down to about $50 each, which Leckonby hopes will push not only TV manufacturers, but also set-top box and other entertainment device makers to include his technology in their devices.

Leckonby says all the major TV manufacturers are at least thinking about incorporating motion control abilities into their products, and even some PC makers.

Problems can be expected, of course, when a device requires a whole new way of interacting. Though pointing and hand gestures are fairly basic human functions, pantomiming in front of a TV set may be difficult or just undesirable for some consumers. Simplicity will be key. If they can't learn it quickly on the show floor at Best Buy or within the first day the TV is brought home, the technology may never take off widely, as Rubin points out: "A new form of consumer behavior as people sit in front of TV sets is always challenging to create in a relatively short amount of time."

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by aMUSICsite April 8, 2009 5:06 AM PDT
"Mommy he hit me"...
"No I didn't I was just trying to change the channel"

Apart from a good excuse for kids to argue and the frustration it will cause as the quality of it degenerates over time. I don't think these things will ever take off until we get to the 'creepy' stage where technology tracks our every move and can work out what we are doing/saying.

You don't want the TV changing channel as you wave good by to someone or reach for something on the table. I guess a combination of voice recognition and had gestures might work better as it would provide less false positive results if you had to say "Volume up" while making a gesture.
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by ihackmore April 8, 2009 6:21 AM PDT
It sure will bring peace to the household when everyone has the remote!
by blusky08 April 8, 2009 7:48 PM PDT
Worst. Idea. Ever.
by jlt0x April 8, 2009 5:11 AM PDT
But with this new system, won't you have to "walk up" to the screen and make the gesture....as in Minority Report. The future tech shown in that movie was most useful for a computer monitor as it allowed the user to perform various tasks like moving windows from one screen to another, selecting objects, moving files, etc.

The purpose of the remote control device was to eliminate the need to "get up" every time we wanted to change stations or start a movie. Seems like they're taking a few steps back.
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by paulsecic April 8, 2009 9:26 AM PDT
It'll never take off because people are used to thier remotes. Plus fingers will smuge the scren. I'm sticking to my Dish remote.
by odessit3 April 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT
This is not touch screen, you don't need to get up. all you do is sit on your couch and wave at the TV. Read the story before commenting!
by nn8l April 8, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
That's great, but my surround sound controls the volume, so I still need a remote for that. One for the dvr's, one for the PS3, etc, etc. I'll stick with my Harmony.
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by ikramerica--2008 April 8, 2009 1:20 PM PDT
I can control my lamp now just by clapping my hands! What will they think of next?
by Grant_D April 8, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
call me lazy, but this all sounds like a lot more work than just comfortably holding onto a remote and flexing the thumb muscle(s). It seems a whole lot less reliable too.

"The variety of information and programming on television is certainly stretching the limits of the four-way control pad, so manufacturers are...seeing a lot of complexity start to creep in," and they're going to solve this by waving your hands around?
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by ikramerica--2008 April 8, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
Will make watching a football game infuriating! Keep your arms still, or you'll miss the next play and be watching Figure Skating on ABC before you can sneeze!
by amithambati April 8, 2009 8:17 AM PDT
One good thing about this is that I no longer have to search for my remote!
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by spsuaiken April 8, 2009 8:49 AM PDT
When I read the title. I immediately thought to myself: "Wow this technology existed when TVs first came out." It just included your legs and arms as accessories: to get out of the chair, walk to the TV, and press or rotate the channel and volume controls ^_^
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by Captain Bebops April 8, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
Anything to sell electronics and make money I guess.
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by Mergatroid Mania April 8, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
lol
Read the comments. Nobody wants a gesture remotless TV.
My Harmony remote controls all my devices, and all I have to do is tell it what I want. It sets everything up for me. I'm not interested is gesturing. What a lame idea.
Now, if they wanted to really do something useful, they'd work more on the accuracy of voice recognition so you could just tell your TV what to do "Television Volume Up". or "Television channel scan", or some such verbal commands would kick a$$ over a gesture system.
When Logitech comes out with a new Harmony that will use voice recognition, that's definately something I will check into.
In either case, I don\t think these manufacturers should completely abandon the IR remote on their gesture TVs. They might find very few people purchasing them, and a lot of returns from people who discover just how lame gesturing is for a remote system.
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by ikramerica--2008 April 8, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
Actually, they should stop using IR and move to something better. IR stinks. Most LCD TVs cause IR interference while running, and like 100x the interference while warming up, plasmas do the same, and sunlight cuts down on range considerably.

Some form of RF should be the new standard.
by deepen05 April 8, 2009 2:02 PM PDT
wow, some people are just dumb in their comments. they never said you have to get up and press the tv screen! pay attention people!

they said a camera senses your movements and gestures from far.
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by Aeriscelo April 8, 2009 3:58 PM PDT
Personally I haven't really felt frustrated at my remote control. And the only reason i lose it is because we're required to have several. Now if all the electronics makers could agree on some sort of open standard for TV commands and allow for better "universal" remotes that'd be an improvement. And yes I realize that there are several good remotes out right now that do this, but most are very expensive ($150+)

The other thing that would be great is ditching IR. Please use something that doesn't require line-of-sight. RF seems like the best compromise.

Then I wouldn't lose a remote 'cause there'd only be one to keep track of.
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by popa pineapple April 8, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
In "Minority Report" Tom was using gestures in a specific application, not as a general purpose TV remote for the home. That may be where this technology could be useful. I suspect an advanced TV remote might use voice recognition with some sort of command that says "I want to use my voice for control." For example:

human: "Voice command on."
TV: "Voice command activated"
human: "Channel 202 on"
TV: "Channel 202 now selected"

This is well within current technology.
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by croachcrocket78 April 8, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
Be honest...do we really want to speak to our TVs? It seems the trend is going away from forms of verbal communications to modes of finger tapping. (Email, texts) I think the current remotes do just fine!
by croachcrocket78 April 8, 2009 6:26 PM PDT
Sounds like too much work to me. Instead of this impractical use of human limb, how about making all remotes with RF capabilities. Also, I had an idea of some sort of speed dial remote. Kind of like radio presets. IDK if there is anything out there like it, but I know my current DVR does not support it. Maybe remotes should allow users to store at least 9 presets. Would be extremely helpful during my football watching.
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by MrMurder April 8, 2009 7:15 PM PDT
It's like every year more and more companies come up with incredibly stupid ideas. And Hitachi has cu came up with this one. TVs already have buttons integrated into them so you don't need a remote to adjust picture settings, change the channel or volume, or even turn the damn thing on or off. Besides it seems complicated to use hand gestures to tweak the picture. And if you two or more remoteless sets from different manufacturers, it becomes harder to remember what gesture to use for which TV. I'd rather use an infrared remote control that has the name of the TV manufacturer with the buttons labeled. If you had a bad memory and bought a TV with a integrated camera, you'd have to literaly write down the gestures to use for it somewhere on your body in permanent marker.
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by hslakaal April 9, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
i thought that us-humans- couldn't get any more lazier...i was wrong...
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by DaytonXD9 April 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
So the volume goes up when the dog's tail starts wagging? Every time you jump at a touchdown during football season, the power shuts of?
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by brianab70 April 9, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
The new TV remote should be Bluetooth. This idea of manipulating a screen with your hand is more inconvenient than what we've been using for years (line-of-sight infrared remotes) where you have to aim the remote at the right spot on the TV.
http://www.bluetomorrow.com/content/section/230/342/
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by imacpwr April 11, 2009 7:54 AM PDT
Doomed to failure..!!

It's Superbowl Sunday, the ball's on the 1 yard line, hut 1, hut 2, hut 3.. THERE'S A FUMBLE...!!! Everyone in the room throw their arms up in excitement....!!!!! At which point we now find ourselves watching Bible study.. Everyone now is up on their feet screaming and waving their arms in anger as the television now starts flying through more channels as the sound goes up and down, contrast ever changing and menus flashing before our eyes...!!!

Like I said.... doomed to failure
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by mahurshi April 11, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
With so many buttons on the remotes today, I wonder how many gestures or menu items we would have to go through to operate the TV with our hands.

This idea is great for presentations. I am not sure about the TV.. yet..

Now, if I can go to channel 53 by showing five fingers on my left hand and 3 on the right... that's another story :-)
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by jog4444 April 11, 2009 11:04 AM PDT
This is a really great idea.. but what if you have more then one person in the same room.. that could b a problem.. They should make it so it recongizes a certain color and the person who controls it would have that color on him/or her somehow or someway
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