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February 16, 2009 4:00 AM PST

Still waiting for OLED TVs

by Erica Ogg
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The Sony XEL-1 OLED TV is a beautiful display. Its contrast ratio makes pictures pop, it's thinner than a credit card, but with an 11-inch screen, it's too small, and at $2,500, too expensive.

But it's been a year since it was introduced in January 2008, and as of today, it still has no competitors. Where are they?

Though we've been long promised that the era of OLED (organic light-emitting diode) TVs is just around the corner, it appears we're going to have to wait even longer. The major players in electronics who have the resources to build OLED TVs have been whacked by the global financial meltdown along with the rest of us. In other words, the timing to jump-start a brand new TV technology is terrible.

Sony OLED TV

A year later, the XEL-1 OLED TV from Sony is the only commercially available.

(Credit: Sony)

"The cost to manufacture them remains high and will remain high until someone's willing to take the risk to develop their own manufacturing capacity on a large scale," explained Paul Gagnon, TV market analyst for DisplaySearch. "Risky investments are not something most of these companies are looking at right now."

Samsung, Sony, LG Electronics, Toshiba, and Panasonic have at various points promised to make OLED TVs. Only one of them, Sony, has done so. But even Sony's is hardly what most people would call a viable option. It's not the standard size of a TV, and isn't exactly priced for a recession. The other firms have only prototypes to show.

Fading hope
There was some hope that Samsung and Sony would be able to release larger OLED TVs this year. But if they were, they'd have brought them to CES in January in order to stir up excitement for them. That didn't happen. Instead, Sony brought the same 11-inch XEL-1 product that's been available for a year, as well as a 21-inch prototype. Samsung brought out a 40-inch prototype.

It's not that OLED is completely impossible to produce. There are a variety of gadgets sporting OLED screens made by these companies, but they're really small: cell phones, GPS devices, and now portable media players.

Small is easy. Making OLED displays big enough for the most attractive applications like laptop screens and televisions is the hard part. There are only a few TV manufacturers with the resources to invest in and build enormous panel factories, among them Samsung, Sony, Sharp, LG, and Panasonic. Panasonic said in September it would hold off on OLED--which basically means it's going to ride the success of its dominance in plasma displays for the time being. Toshiba, which showed a large OLED TV prototype in early 2007, said just a few months later that it would wait to see how popular the sets would be before jumping in head first. (Also, instead of doing it individually, there are a few smaller other makers getting together to push OLED into faster mass production.)

Expensive development
The barrier to moving from a whiz-bang prototype to a product that can be produced in reasonable volumes at prices that even the most discerning gadget enthusiasts won't balk at mostly involves money. A lot of it.

Right now, OLEDs cost twice as much to produce as LCDs. That's because the volumes in which they are produced are so much lower. "While LCDs are produced in the tens of millions or hundreds of millions, whereas OLEDs are produced (in volumes of) a million a month," said Barry Young, director of the OLED Association, whose group promotes the OLED industry and counts most major manufacturers and patent owners behind the technology as members. Until OLED production can be achieved in much larger volume, the cost to produce them will remain exorbitantly high.

OLED TV prototypes

Sony OLED prototypes at CES 2007.

(Credit: Michael Kanellos/CNET Networks)

For its part, Sony says it has poured 22 billion yen ($243 million) into ramping up its OLED TV factories, which the company says will be up and going by March 2010.

The promise of OLED though is similar to the argument for weatherizing homes now: it may cost a lot initially, but that the savings on electricity bills over time will be worth it. OLED is expensive now, but there are fewer pieces that go into constructing one than an LCD.

"When you get to point of equilibrium, when OLEDs reach 10 million displays produced a month...they should be cheaper to build because they have fewer components. Ten to 20 percent less expensive eventually," Young says.

There are still some questions on the technology's lifespan, however, which is another challenge that will need to be addressed.

Meanwhile, LCD TVs are still at the height of their popularity. Samsung is the world's largest producer of LCDs, and as of the end of 2008, more than 10 million LCD televisions were shipped each quarter to North America alone, and there are plenty of countries around the world that have yet to embrace LCD technology.

But with many of these potential OLED TV makers reporting huge losses (Samsung suffered its worst quarter ever, losing more than $680 million last fall. Sony will cut 5.5 percent of its workforce in order to save $1 billion in the next year, and Panasonic will lay off 15,000 after its first quarterly loss) it's likely a difficult decision to make a bold move to an unproven technology like OLED TV.

LG could be the exception. At CES, President and CEO of LG Electronics North America Michael Ahn said his company would not cut back on money spent on innovation. LG Electronics had said it would introduce a 15-inch OLED TV in June 2009, but that could be pushed back since we didn't see anything at CES.

So when will we see a variety of OLED TVs on the shelves of our favorite electronics retailer? Later this year, a 14.1-inch OLED display is scheduled to be introduced for use in notebook PC. The display will come off of Samsung's production lines, though it will be snapped into a PC made by a "major notebook vendor," according to Young. It could also be used as a TV, but when and by whom is unknown. Despite Sony's teaser product, OLED TVs at this point are at least three to five years from being a reality for the average consumer.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by SJ2571 February 16, 2009 5:30 AM PST
Why the hell do we need Yet Another TV Technology? I'm so sick of technology for technology's sake. The same goes for movies: we all switched to DVD from VHS due to the vast advantages, but now they want us to buy all our movies AGAIN on Blu-ray. We ain't stupid! Yes, let's all get another movie collection on Blu-ray, so you can drop another bomb on us with something better than Blu-ray and ask us to buy all our movies ONCE AGAIN. Get stuffed.
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by sanjayb February 16, 2009 6:04 AM PST
No one says that you need to buy the technology right away. I didn't jump on the LCD train til just recently.
by kr3bstar February 16, 2009 9:05 AM PST
You can't stop technology from advancing. If you're happy with your current TV, then keep it. If you're happy with VHS, then don't upgrade to DVD. If you're happy with DVD, then don't upgrade to Blu-Ray.
by jabelar February 16, 2009 10:25 AM PST
Well, this is not a "another TV technology" in the sense that it makes anything you have incompatible. It is just a much, much better looking display. It really is incredibly better than LCD. I'm not just talking about something that only videophiles would notice, but actually brighter, more colorful, larger viewing angle, and thinner. So it is a much better TV.

Yes, it is not something to cause you to throw away your existing TV, but I'm pretty sure most people would choose OLED over any other panel type TV if they were available at a reasonable price.
by paulsecic February 16, 2009 10:26 AM PST
I agree with you, I bought a SHAP 37' HD in 2007 1080i. Until it dies I'm not buying another one.
by paulsecic February 16, 2009 10:55 AM PST
3D telivision is coming!
by inachu February 16, 2009 11:53 AM PST
Well using this newer technology would mean that no more electronic are heating up your tiny room like a fireplace. Standing in front of a plasma TV is like sitting in front of a fire place.
by pentest February 16, 2009 2:46 PM PST
"So it is a much better TV."

An 11" $2500 TV is never better.
by sting7k February 16, 2009 5:15 PM PST
If you see Sony's OLED in person you will see why you want it to get to market fast. My local Best Buy has one in the Magnolia Home Theater section. I swear you can spot it from across the store the colors are so bright and the blacks are so deep, even at only 11" big. When up close it blows away everything else in the store by far.
by sanenazok February 17, 2009 7:27 AM PST
@SJ2571: Nobody *needs* any sort of television. Just because you're happy with whatever is out there (DVD) doesn't mean that improvements have to stop. Companies "ask" us to buy their products nonstop. I bet you they are asking you to rebuy all of your movies on VHS just so that they get your money. C'mon you've got to do it...they're ASKING you!
by BCF1968 February 17, 2009 4:33 PM PST
LCD TVs are lighter, thinner and use less power than a tube TVs. that is good. OLED TVs are lighter, thinner an use less electricity than LCD TVs. How is that bad? LCD prices used to be really outrageous too. For they guy that said he won't buy one until his LCD dies. Good. By then they'll be cheap enough for the average person. So the timing will be prefect. In fact they'll be cheaper than LCDs.
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by mertero February 16, 2009 5:38 AM PST
LG might be the exception indeed... It is rumoured that the LCD deal with Apple will also include OLED displays for laptops and iPods/iPhones.

http://www.oled-info.com/oled-tv

Also we are seeing so many new phones with AMOLEDs, at least this is taking off ;-)

Ron
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by popshed February 16, 2009 6:02 AM PST
>> Why the hell do we need Yet Another TV Technology? I'm so sick of technology for technology's sake.

Personally I'm still waiting for a viable alternative to CRT technology. LCD and Plasma both have shortcomings not present in CRT so I'm keeping my Sony Trinitron until something like OLED becomes standard.
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by hyghwayman February 16, 2009 7:38 AM PST
I feel the same way and is percisely the reason I bought a 34" Sony Trinitron back in 2006.

hyghwayman
by ralfthedog February 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST
It's called DLP. Modern DLP TV's are quite bright and have an excellent viewing angle.
by pentest February 16, 2009 2:47 PM PST
I agree, I recently switch my old Samsung 21" CRT monitor, for a HP w2408h 24" HDMI LCD. In many ways the CRT is superior.
by ejschlapp February 16, 2009 10:27 PM PST
I know that CRTs are still better than LCD or plasma in several ways but at least LCDs and plasmas don't flicker at 60 HZ or whine at 15.75 KHZ (horizontal retrace). Maybe I'm sensitive but those two features could give me a headache.
by blusky08 February 17, 2009 3:51 PM PST
Sony is bringing out FED displays this year (Google it).
It looks like FED *might* become popular if OLED continues to have problems.
by Iddo1 February 16, 2009 7:20 AM PST
LG did show a 15" at CES 2009:
Check the video:
http://thefutureofthings.com/video/6209/lg-15-inch-oled-display.html
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by Stefaninafla February 16, 2009 7:41 AM PST
Like most new technologies, the cost of manufacture is high right now.
Eventually, one company will have a breakthrough in dropping manufacturing costs, then the price drops and it becomes a viable consumer product.
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by pentest February 16, 2009 2:49 PM PST
It is not a breakthrough that forces prices down. It is that they become a commodity.
by oledfan February 16, 2009 9:37 AM PST
HI Erica!

Thanks for that great article.

Check out our OLED Info website:
http://www.oled-display.net
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by Eludium-Q36 February 16, 2009 6:44 PM PST
I hope HP can integrate it in a 25-inch Touchsmart PC, that would be awesome! But frankly it's going to take the Chinese (Vizio?) to come through for us because the Japanese/Korean mfrs don't want OLED to kill off their gravy train/investment in LCD and plasma. But OLED, if/when it hits mass market, will become the standard HDTV technology killing off old-school lcd/plasma. I was hoping that day would come by 2010 but it's looking more like 2015 now and that's a long time to wait to go full-on HD, unless the Chinese come through for us.
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by ralfthedog February 16, 2009 8:08 PM PST
OLED costs a ton to make and it does not last that long. It has the same problem that killed plasma, rasterburn. Use an OLED (or plasma) for your computer? After a very few years of use, your Apple menu will be burned into the screen. Watch a lot of stuff that is not HD? You get vertical bars burned into the screen. Watch a lot of SCIFI or CNN? you will get their logo burned into the screen.

Your best bet for a small screen (50 inch or smaller) LCD. Want a bigger screen with a much better picture? go DLP.
by Shaun822 February 17, 2009 5:47 PM PST
The argument about getting computer menus burned in is correct but if you watch even one full panel show a day on a plasma TV then you will not get burn in. I play 360 and PS3 on my TV for hours a day and get no burn in what so ever on an economy model. Anyone that thinks burn in is still a wide spread problem is either dealing with really old, really cheap, or not dealing with reality.
by noevalleyjim February 16, 2009 6:56 PM PST
don't these use very little electricity?
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by knowles2 February 17, 2009 8:23 AM PST
Yes they are extremely power efficient. They have no need for a back light.
And these are the first generation models just LCDs they are bound to become more efficient over time.
by mghotbi February 16, 2009 9:11 PM PST
OLED is the Holy Grail of display technology - deep blacks, brilliant colors, low power-consumption and no motion lag. Can't wait for it to arrive.
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by blusky08 February 18, 2009 6:43 AM PST
It isn't the Holy Grail if it has burn-in issues--it will face the same consumer reluctance as plasma.
by Nataku4ca February 16, 2009 9:50 PM PST
I think a few of are forgetting one thing, the power consumption. It doesn't use as much power as current technologies, picture is much better too. But if you don't like the fact that ur switching tv for better picture(why would u?) then consider the power cost and heat generation. u'll be saving the planet, lol

btw battery powered items will last longer too.

of course all these needs to happen at current lcd price point which i think(hope) will happen around 2015(wishful thinking?)
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by shootthecops February 16, 2009 10:03 PM PST
OLED establishes Sony to the company that it once was, the worlds center of bringing technological innovation and quality to the consumer. the investment was heavy but it will pay off, Japan is a capitalistic nation after all.
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by parttimeaw February 16, 2009 11:47 PM PST
And you're the same guy who complains about having to upgrade to a new computer every 4 years!
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by C433Z February 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST
I can't wait for when Apple decides to have OLED in their notebook monitors! *drool*

Though this'll probably take many years, cause Apple doesn't adapt new technologies very quickly. Heck, they still don't have SD slots in their notebooks.
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by b_baggins February 18, 2009 9:15 AM PST
And yet they have LED backlights, fiberoptic lit keyboards, firewire 800 and unibody construction, multitouch trackpads...

What you really mean is that Apple doesn't adopt your pet technology quickly.
by speedvillain February 17, 2009 4:50 PM PST
OLED's will never be as big as plasma and LCD's in the market. They will make a small impact no one is going to shell out tons of money for a thinner tv. By the time this technology is cheap enough to produce something else will hit the market. I'm guessing LED screens will have the upperhand.
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by blusky08 February 18, 2009 6:47 AM PST
CEMs are doing very little to make thinner displays practical. They practically stopped making wall-mountable DVD players. Good luck finding a BR home theater system...all this defeats the purpose of a sleek wall mount, so thickness is mostly irrelevent.
by jaycustom February 17, 2009 4:59 PM PST
Um....a few ppl above stated that CRT is better technology than LCD? Can someone enlighten me please? The only reason I would buy a crt or tube television or pc monitor would be if I were dead broke.As a matter of fact..I wouldn't even go back in time and buy old tech like that,I'd borrow something until I could afford a real screen. I have a 52" Panasonic Projection HDTV in the living room,and a 22" lcd monitor for my pc,but really a CRT????
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by ddcool1124 February 21, 2009 4:45 PM PST
CRTs = perfect contrast ratio, perfect color, and perfect motion. (I'm talking about semi modern HD CRTs, not CRTs from 30 years ago)
by make_or_break February 17, 2009 6:59 PM PST
CRTs are about eco-unfriendly as they come. They're also not very friendly to my back as well. If it didn't release so many toxins into the air I'd ENJOY taking my 12ga pump to that old 19" CRT I've got in storage down in the garage. Yes it was a sweet display for its day, and still looked pretty darn good when I retired it, but it was bloody time for that monster to go. I will admit that it was great in keeping our computer area nice and warm on those chilly nights.

As for tellys: we still have a boob tube 20" Trinitron, but after the hell our old 25" XBR did on my back when hauling it down to the recycle center, I'd NEVER go that route again, no matter how sweet that picture was.

I like the idea of the OLED, however I take issue with the point of this article. The author who started this thread needs to GET REAL. Economic consideration ALWAYS plays a role on what happens on this planet; deal with it instead of whining about how bummed you are that no manufacturer is willing to risk what threatened cash reserves they have in hand to ramp up for OLED production...evidently just for lil' ol' you. Given how wallets and pocketbooks are staying FIRMLY SHUT these days, deciding to hold off on OLED production is about as NO BRAINER as any decision can be.
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by iDansWorld February 17, 2009 7:09 PM PST
OLED will pwn. Period.
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by Rick Cavaretti February 18, 2009 7:42 AM PST
Yep, the economy just screwed technological advancement. Pity humanity relies upon it to get anywhere.
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by Hellcat February 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST
I think one of the main reasons it isn't and shouldn't be put on the market yet is because of the blue OLED's. They burn out quicker than the rest and until someone fixes that its not ready for prime time. Yes mass production is another reason but I don't think there will be good mass production until they fix the blue OLED problem.
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by M5er February 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST
I guess there always has to be a "next" technology on the horizon - otherwise we'd have nothing to talk about.

It doesn't sound like OLED will become a reality any time soon, though. LCDs and Plasmas seem to be doing a fine job of giving customers their HD fixes, and most complain that those 2 technologies are expensive enough.

OLED will be like Maserati or Aston Martin - fantastic performance, for those who have the $$ to burn to get it. I wouldn't bet on it being "commonplace" for quite some time, though.
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