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Together in harmony: Mac and PC

by Rafe Needleman
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Shortly after I bought a MacBook, I posted an (unpopular) article in which I vented about learning and using the new platform. I'd been a Windows guy for 20 years, and although I knew a transition to OS X would require effort, I didn't expect it to be quite so frustrating.

But I have since found a way forward with the machine. Rather than trying to jam it into my well-established workflow and have it replace my Windows laptop, I'm now trying to use it alongside my PC. It's also the only computer I travel with. And with a few tricks, I've found it to be a positive and productive experience.

Side by side on my computer keyboard (oh Lord...)
At work, I like using the MacBook for instant messaging, Twitter, Skype, for researching and browsing, and for anything involving video. My old ThinkPad is slow, and offloading these apps from it during the day is a small help. I still use my PC for e-mail, since there's as yet no reasonable replacement for Outlook if you work at a company that runs Exchange servers, and for writing and taking notes, since my fingers know their way around a PC keyboard.

Although I'm using two computers, I use only one primary keyboard. Thanks to the old open-source app Synergy (and the Mac version called SyngergyKM), I can control the Mac from the keyboard that's connected to my ThinkPad. I have my MacBook on a stand to the right of my Thinkpad's external monitor (recommended: the Rain Design mStand), and when I drag the mouse off the right edge of the Windows screen, it appears on the MacBook. The keyboard then controls the Mac as well. Even better, copy and paste works between the machines (although, awkwardly, the keystrokes for copy and paste are different on a PC and Mac--I'm still learning to adapt to that).

After a rocky start, now I put my Mac on a pedestal, literally. (The screen and keyboard on the left are connected to a Thinkpad laptop.)

(Credit: Rafe Needleman / CNET Networks)

Setting up Synergy was not intuitive. But using it is. I now move between the platforms sometimes without really being aware of it.

Previous experiments
Before settling on Synergy, I used a KVM (IOGear MiniView Micro USB) to switch my external monitor between my Mac and PC, but the context switching slowed me down, and the lack of cut-and-paste between the machines made using them together difficult.

I also experimented with going all-Mac, hardware-wise anyway, running Outlook in a Windows XP virtual machine (VMWare Fusion) on the Mac, and devoting an external monitor to it while I ran OS X apps on my MacBook's built-in display. That solution, I found, was about 95 percent of the way there in terms of speed and the way the Mac handles the external keyboard I have. But that last 5 percent--keys that work differently on the Mac and the PC--was killing me. I may give in and try some keyboard remapping in the future, or I may buckle down and force myself to adapt. But for now, the Synergy solution works well for me.

Hitting the road
When I'm on the road, my old laptop stays on my desk at work, and the Mac comes with me. Since I don't want to have to think about where my data files are, I synchronize my working directory on my PC to a directory on my MacBook. That way, when I save a file on one machine, it just shows up on the other. There are a few solutions available to do this, but my pick is Microsoft's free app Live Sync. It's a peer-to-peer sync service--there's no "cloud" storage involved--so both my computers need to be on at the same time to get the files synced up. But since I no longer turn off my Windows laptop, this is fine. And unlike most of the sync solutions out there, Live Sync is free and puts no effective limit on the amount of data you can synchronize.

I have been using Microsoft Office for the Mac for productivity on the road. Honestly, I hate it. In an absolute sense it's not a bad suite, (except for Entourage, which truly is bad) but the user interfaces and feature sets of the Mac apps are different from the Windows versions in Office 2007 that I know. I find Open Office a more familiar experience on the Mac.

When I'm not in the office, I of course still need my e-mail, and I use, as I said, Outlook running in XP under VMWare Fusion for that. I upgraded my MacBook to 4GB just to give everything enough room (no problems with that, by the way). Outlook on my Mac works well, especially now that I have it set up so URLs I get in e-mail open up on Firefox on the OS X side of the machine, and e-mail links I see on the Web go straight to Outlook on XP, no matter which browser I'm in, on OS X or Windows.

I use Spaces to keep my Windows virtual machine visually separate from the OS X apps. I run it full-screen on its own desktop. I did try running Outlook in "Coherence" mode as an OS X-like app, but I find that putting Outlook in its own corner makes for a smoother cognitive experience.

I've avoided using any tools that purport to make a Mac more PC-like. I don't want to re-make OS X so it works like Windows. I'd rather learn, myself, how to work within the design of Mac. One concession I have made to my old habits is to install the Mac app Witch, which gives OS X an equivalent to the Alt-Tab task switching command on Windows. (The Mac's native Command-Tab shortcut Mac switches among open OS X windows, but not minimized ones, which Alt-Tab does on XP and Vista.)

More sync
I'm also a fan of apps that synchronize themselves over the Net. I take notes on Evernote, and since it syncs via its own servers, it really doesn't matter if I work on my Mac or my PC or on the iPhone app or the Web site. My data's just always in front of me. This is also true, of course, with pure Web apps like Google Docs--if you use these for productivity, you don't have to worry about keeping track of which files are where.

Foxmarks is a good tool for the multi-platform Web surfer. This little Firefox plug-in synchronizes your Web bookmarks and passwords across Firefox installations, no matter the operating system. I wish it worked with Chrome as well, though.

But why?
Am I more productive on my two-platform setup than I would be on a homogeneous configuration? Honestly, no. It's also more expensive- not just in terms of hardware but also the software licenses for all the extra Windows stuff on the Mac. I'm doing this experiment because my friends who are Mac users seem happier with their computing lives than the Windows people I know. I wanted a piece of that. It's also my job to understand technology platforms and products, and without hands-on Mac experience, I was missing an important perspective.

Now that I'm learning to live with the Mac, I can see why people like it. It's slicker, smoother, more enjoyable to use. I did learn the hard way, though, that moving from the PC to Mac is not something you can do overnight, nor in some cases at all--not if you want to maintain productivity. But if you have to use both platforms, it is possible to set up a system that not only lets you take advantage of the best of each world, but brings those worlds together in a way that makes them, just slightly, more than the sum of their parts.

More: Tom Merritt and I recorded a Real Deal podcast on this topic.

Rafe Needleman writes about start-ups, new technologies, and Web 2.0 products, as editor of CNET's Webware. E-mail Rafe.
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by toosday February 12, 2009 4:24 AM PST
Interesting set-up. I'm a full-time Mac user and enjoy it but after using Windows 7, I'm starting to miss the versatility of Windows side (certainly not Vista or XP, though). Also, how fast is Live Sync? I'm not familiar with it. Do you see any delay?
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by rranger1 February 12, 2009 6:05 AM PST
I have a co-worker who has a Macbook and is running Windows 7 in boot camp. Apparently, he's smitten with Windows 7. So, I guess there are other Mac users who have the same interests as you.

I have no intention of turning this into one of those tedious Mac versus Windows (with the inevitable Linux addition) comments, but I do have one observation. I use both Vista and Windows 7 and, while Windows 7 definitely has some nice features, it really isn't all that much different from Vista. And, I don't have the problems (real or imagined) with Vista that I read about. So, what is it about Windows 7 that makes you "miss" the Windows environment while so disliking Vista?
by goodspeed8701 February 12, 2009 6:21 AM PST
@rranger1 I want you to tell me whats difference between tiger and leopard. Windows 7 dont have to be red cos vista is blue or black. all i know is that the taskbar the way networking works i can go on. But please tell me whats different from tiger and leopard
by rranger1 February 12, 2009 8:00 AM PST
g'speed.

What? ... and now for a complete non sequitur ...

I'm sure I don't know, anymore than I can explain Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle to you in any depth. If you go to Apple's web site and research a little, I'm sure it can tell you. I hope this helps with your confusion on how to construct a response.
by toosday February 12, 2009 11:27 AM PST
@rranger1:
It's not that I hate Vista for many of the reasons people claim. Of the people I know who use Vista full-time, they don't have many problems either. But the thing I like about W7 over Vista is that Windows 7 has a good speed bump. At least it does for me. Even though I'm sure it'll get slower over time like all OS's, it started out faster than Vista for me.... or maybe I'm just imagining it.

I don't like XP, though, simply because it's so antiquated. I have to do a ton of research and searching for files, so I'd choose Vista over XP for the search feature alone. Hope that answers your questions.
by rranger1 February 12, 2009 12:01 PM PST
@toosday

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think that's perfectly understandable. I've only ever used Vista on PCs that were designed for it, so I guess I've missed some of the performance issues. For me, it's incredibly responsive.

I couldn't agree with you more about XP, BTW. While I use it every day at work, I'm getting tired of its quirks. For example, it is the only operating system I currently use where I have to routinely start the Task Manager and cancel rogue processes when they act up. The "end program" notification, while not a show-stopper, is something I could live without and rarely - if ever - get with either Vista or Windows 7.

Of course, there's also the memory releasing issues inherent in XP that I don't see in either Vista or 7. In the latter cases, I can keep the PC running indefinitely without rebooting, simply hibernating the machines at night.
by dominicsotirescu February 12, 2009 5:43 AM PST
How about running windows inside the mac! It takes about an hour to set it up. The mac is a lot more efficient at memory usage and management. With one gig of ram I can do HD video editing and run another 5-6 apps in the background, such as mail, browsers, quicktime, photoshop, etc.

OS 10 also handles devices like memory card readers using hardware interrupts, therefore the machine doesn't stop working while transferring files from the card to the hard disk, which is the case with windows.
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by thelemurking February 12, 2009 8:09 AM PST
Not sure what you are talking about here... I can burn DVDs while playing games on my PC. I can transfer photos from my camera or from card reader, videos from my camcorder, and still do things like photoshop, use firefox, or task back to playing BF2 as stuff transfers in the background. Windows DOES NOT STOP WORKING while transferring anything. If it does, then you have a messed up Windows install.

As for 1gb of ram on a Mac... Final Cut Pro HD does like the ram. On a first gen Intel iMac, we don't dare open up something else while Final Cut is rendering. Perhaps like your bad Windows install, we have a bad iMac, but in my experience, with 1gb of ram, you can't efficiently edit HD video in Final Cut, while playing in photoshop, checking your mail, surfing the web and doing the upteen other things you mentioned.
by coulterboyz February 16, 2009 8:17 AM PST
It still wouldn't fix all of his problems; the keyboard shortcuts and such.
by ckurowic February 12, 2009 5:47 AM PST
The easiest way to run both is to get Mac, get two screens for it, then run Win and Mac side by side using Parallels. Its great actually. I do this on my 2.4GHz iMac and it runs fantastically. I've got Vista on one side and OS 10 on the other.
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by drhamad February 12, 2009 6:36 AM PST
He already talked about this in the article (using Fusion instead of Parallels, but same idea).
by gkpyle February 12, 2009 1:28 PM PST
Parallels is one of my fav Mac apps. I had Vista, but am currently running Windows 7 beta in a virtual machine with no hiccups. I use Outlook 2007 in it for my email.
by random truth February 12, 2009 2:48 PM PST
I like to use my laptop on you know, my lap. But what I do is I have 2 versions of linux, and windows seven in highly optimized virtual machines. Which are then set to full screen on separate spaces.
by ITcomposer February 12, 2009 5:51 AM PST
Ahh MAC and pc in perfect harmony, now if we could just get MS to rewrite OFFICE: MAC so that there's a proper version of WORD. EXCEL. POWERPOINT. and outlook.
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by drhamad February 12, 2009 6:37 AM PST
Uhh, aren't there (other than Outlook)? His complaint about Office Mac isn't that it's a bad app, it's that it's different interface than the PC version (and at least in my opinion, significantly improves on the PC version). If you use only the Mac, this is irrelevant.
by danielwsmithee February 12, 2009 8:01 AM PST
I agree with drhamad Office 2008 for Mac is better then Office 2007 for Windows IMHO except for Entourage which is atrocious. I can't wait for Exchange integration in Snow Leopard. I also prefer Apple Mail to Outlook.
by random truth February 12, 2009 2:50 PM PST
Well I would agree with ITcomposer. I cant stand office 2008 for mac. I find myself more productive with open office or iwork.
by Universal_Indie_Records February 12, 2009 5:54 AM PST
Great article. Just waiting for the idiots to turn it into a Mac vs. PC flame war because there always is at least one....
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by eddy m February 12, 2009 7:36 AM PST
Quite. As a long-time user of both Macs and PCs for pleasure and work (developing on the .NET platform and formerly design/illustration), it's a joy to be able to read an informative article and posts afterwards that haven't descended (so far) into that infantile 'my computer's better than yours, so I'm better than you' slanging match that inevitably follows. There are one or two tips here I might just try to improve my working experience too.
by t8 February 14, 2009 11:48 PM PST
Vista was a failure just like the Zune.
by Penguinisto February 12, 2009 6:14 AM PST
Interesting...

At my previous position, I had something similar: I used a Linux desktop for all my primary stuff, but had to keep a ThinkPad with XP around for a few IE-only internal company sites and the odd tool that refused to get replaced by the powers-that-be. The developers had a similar situation, in that they did all their programming and testing on Linux, but kept a Windows laptop around.

The solution I found was a bit easier, and only involved one native tool: I rigged the Linux desktop with dual monitors, and used rdesktop (a drop-in open source replacement for Windows' Remote Desktop Connection) to access the Windows laptop. This way, if I had to do anything in Windows, it sat there in a 1440x1024 window on my Linux desktop. I could cut+paste all day long between them, and didn't have to bother with any third-party solutions.

For hardware, I only needed a small switch to expand the network port from the one in the cube.

Having a Mac here @ home, I can use VNC or Microsoft's RDC for Macs to do the same thing.
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by Vegaman_Dan February 12, 2009 8:32 AM PST
Penguinisto wrote:

" I used a Linux desktop for all my primary stuff, but had to keep a ThinkPad with XP around for a few IE-only internal company sites and the odd tool that refused to get replaced by the powers-that-be. "

Interesting information you have given there. Especially in light of the fact that you have publically stated many times on CNET that you did not own, use, or support any Microsoft products including Windows, Xbox or any MSFT online services. Then in December you revealed that you had a laptop you were messing with Vista on.

Tell us, did all this happen since the end of December when you admitted to having a Windows laptop, or were you lying about not having, using, or supporting any Microsoft products previously? Your reputation does depend on your answer given here. Answer honestly one way or another, if you would please.
by nopinktoday February 12, 2009 9:00 AM PST
Do guys wake up in the morning and intentionally have flame wars?
by Vegaman_Dan February 12, 2009 9:07 AM PST
Nopinktoday wrote:

"Do guys wake up in the morning and intentionally have flame wars? "

Nah, I just police Penguinisto's postings for truth and accuracy. It's nearly a full time job in and of itself. I suppose I shouldn't bother though. It's just when someone is blatantly lying as he does frequently that it really gets my goat. I would probably better off just letting him flounder around like the foolish person he is. Anyone who has read more than three posts of his can clearly see for themselves what sort of person he is.

So in that light, I think I'll just drop it. He simply isn't worth the effort anymore of trying to keep him honest.
by Penguinisto February 12, 2009 11:23 AM PST
Hey Dan - when you decide to quit misrepresenting my postings (which are easily accessible to world+dog), let me know, okay?
by Vegaman_Dan February 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST
Thanks Penguinisto, for your comments. If anyone has any questions regarding the validity of your comments or honest, they can simply use the search option at the top of the page with the keywords of "Penguinisto" and "lie".

Your reputation is one that you earned by your actions. Nobody but you can make make any other claim to that. I'm sorry that you have chosen to be dishonest, but that is indeed your choice.

End of subject.
by georgiarat February 12, 2009 7:02 AM PST
At work I found using an attached monitor with Spaces and Fusion preferable to trying to use a PC and Mac in sync.

I don't like Office Mac 2008 and quit using PowerPoint in favor of Keynote. The native Apple applications while sufficient for doing low in work on Office documents cannot handle the more complex needs in the Corporate environment especially one that requires working with Windows coworkers.
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by ralfthedog February 12, 2009 7:25 AM PST
@ Rafe Needleman. Don't use Open Office on the Mac. Open Office is great for Linux, and very good for Windows. It bites the big pickle on the Mac. Neo Office is a Mac centric fork of the Open Office project. I think you will like it much better.

@ Penguinisto, I have always thought of Remote Desktop as Remote Exploit. I must say, I have no problem with SSHing into a server. I guess this could be an aspect of my total hatred of adding unnecessary complexity.

Note: While I have no problem with opening an SSH connection to any of my servers, I keep them open for as short of a time as I can. Do you keep the Remote Desktop connection open all the time?
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by Penguinisto February 12, 2009 8:35 AM PST
Inside of a corp network subnet, sure - RDC works just fine. I sure as Hell would never even think of using the thing on any subnet that faced the planet, but internally you have much bigger potential security holes to worry about (Windows sharing/CIFS ferinstance) than RDC would ever provide.

Otherwise, I agree perfectly ab't NeoOffice.

/P
by jtara February 12, 2009 7:32 AM PST
I use Synergy across two Windows screens on a desktop machine, an external monitor on a Macbook (I can use the bult-in screen as well, but I have the external screen oriented vertically, so it's not convenient to use the internal screen), and a Ubuntu screen on another desktop machine.

(If you're wondering why I need this setup, I am a programmer, and work on all three platforms, as well as iPhone. OK, make that two of those platform, plus iPhone. Needed the Mac to do iPhone development...)

One problem: Synergy is essentially abandonware. I can't fault the author - he's made this handy software available as open-source free software, and I'm sure he's moved on to other things years ago. I'm disappointed in the open-source community in that nobody has picked-up the ball (and, of course, that includes lazy me...). The current "latest" version has serious problems on most Linux platforms - at this point, unless you have a fairly old kernel, it's going to suck-up CPU and constantly disconnect and reconnect. There are some patches to fix this, but you have to hunt for them and build the software yourself. It's rather surprising that there is no alternatives and/or there's been no effort to bring Synergy up to the latest Linux kernels and Windows Vista/7. Synergy is "good enough" for 10's of thousands, just the way it is, but at some point it's state is going to become critical.

Biggest plus of this setup: being able to type on my Mac using a Model M (Unicomp, not antique) keyboard!
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by rafe February 12, 2009 7:54 AM PST
Yeah, I'm worried that Synergy is suffering from decay. It almost doesn't work already.

Where did you get your Model M? Man, I miss those.
by jtara February 12, 2009 9:33 AM PST
Unicomp acquired the license for the Model M keyboard from Lexmark, which acquired it from IBM. They sell new keyboards here:

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/

Beware that the "pointing stick" on the models that have them is not the same as that on IBM notebooks. It's handy to have, but doesn't have the smooth operation one would expect. The keyboard, though, acts like an original Model M, as near as I can remember.

I have two, a Customizer and a SpaceSaver. I use one at home, and have one that I take with me any time I have to work in CubicleLand.

BTW, contrary to popular belief the Model M doesNOT use "mechanical" contacts. Very early (pre-AT) models used capacitive keys, but most use the same dome mechanism used for all cheap keyboards today. The difference is the "buckling spring" action which is there strictly for user feedback. When you hear the click, you know the character has been entered, because the click is beyond the point of contact. There's a very precise and well-researched "profile" to the keystroke, and when used properly, the keys don't actually bottom-out, so it's easier on your fingers than you might imagine. Electrical contact -> click -> mechanical bottom. Contrast this to the mush feel of today's keyboards. If Steve Jobs could only be as concerned about our fingers than he is about our aesthetic sensibilities...

There's also a popular source of "vintage" Model M keyboards. Never dealt with them myself, other than to purchase a set of clear re-legendable keycaps.

http://www.clickykeyboards.com/
by cbuzzsaw February 13, 2009 10:40 PM PST
I used synergy for a while until I realized that all of the data sent to from the main machine (with keyboard) to the secondary machines was unencrypted. Any thing you type that is destined for the secondary machines goes over the wire in clear text and can be easily captured via a packet sniff (this includes passwords, etc.)

I haven't used Synergy in quite a while due to this and have been waiting on a release that introduced an encrypted channel. Does anyone know if this has chanaged?
by sanenazok February 12, 2009 7:32 AM PST
All the drama and technology adding up to a waste of energy and time. The author's learning OS X so he can use what exactly on it...Skype, iTunes, "research" (i.e. web surfing) and anything "involving video." I guess watching must mean "involving" since there isn't a single video of R. Needleman at CNet. This is his WORK computer isn't it? To be "green" the author should dump one computer. Since he needs Exchange for work, but the Thinkpad's old, he should just put Windows on the Mac and get it over with. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean you should use it.
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by danielwsmithee February 12, 2009 8:07 AM PST
Just get over outlook and dump Windows. Sure entourage sucks but it will hopefully only be needed until Snow Leopard comes out.
by random truth February 12, 2009 3:00 PM PST
@danelwsmithee
Thats true, however windows runs really great on the macbooks through bootcamp.
by dinjin201 February 16, 2009 7:30 AM PST
yes, bootcamp is the ideal solution for this... quite honestly i agree with sanenazok.
by mpitogo February 12, 2009 7:32 AM PST
I've been on VMware with my XP workstation for nearly 3 years now. First started out as a virtual machine on a Linux HP NC6000 then I moved the VM onto two itterations of Macs with OS X and VMware Fusion. I've never had to re-install XP since. Why not run VMware Fusion on the MacBook for both? Just remember to load it with RAM, in some cases even the paltry 4GB may not be enough. Recently I went for the 8 core Mac Pro dam its fast and for travel an Air. The combo seems good enough.
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by February 12, 2009 7:47 AM PST
You mention that setting up Synergy was not intuitive. Do you have any specifics or additional information? I been looking for a way to have a similar setup. I have a Windows Desktop PC and a Macbook Pro. My transition to using OS X has not been as painful but being able to use both from one keyboard and mouse without using a hardware KVM would be awesome.

Thanks for the great article!!
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by thelemurking February 12, 2009 8:20 AM PST
There's some pretty nice KVMs out there. The one I am using at home is the USB wireless one from Belkin. One little wireless button that I keep on at the base of the monitor. While it doesn't allow me to cut & paste between machines, it's very quick and easy. I have shared/mapped network drives set up so anything I need to move or copy (other than text) is just as easy as drag and drop.

It may not be the most efficient way of doing it, but any text I have needed to copy, I've just went in and created a text file on the mapped network drive, pasted the text in there, then switch to the other machine and copy from the text document. So while it may be more convoluted than what's detailed here... it does work and it doesn't take that much time.
by wildscribe February 12, 2009 7:56 AM PST
It seems like you are doing an a lot of unnecessary work just to be able to work on a Mac. Why not just stick with Windows? Three years ago, I switched to Mac from Windows and I enjoy the Mac experience. But unlike, I am not locked into using Outlook and those other Windows-only programs that you have to use. If I was in your position, I would sell the MacBook on eBay and keep working with Windows. I have heard good things about Windows 7 so you might not have to wait too long for a better Windows OS.
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by Penguinisto February 12, 2009 8:39 AM PST
"Why not just stick with Windows?"

Why stick with a pricey bug-ridden virus-prone and bloated OS unless you absolutely have to?
by rafe February 12, 2009 8:39 AM PST
Sticking with windows would make me more efficient and cost less... but it's my job to know the popular computing landscape. Not understanding the Mac from the inside out is a career liability for me. Other "dualies" have their own reasons: Programmers, artists, etc have workflows that require both platforms.

I would not recommend the dualie life for most people. But if you gotta, it can work.
by Vegaman_Dan February 12, 2009 9:10 AM PST
Penguinisto:

Thank you for your opinion. It would appear the author disagrees with you, however.
by Penguinisto February 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST
@rafe: I can respect the opinion - and I understand well the needs that sometimes arise with dual platforms (hence "unless you absolutely have to").

I was just tweaking wildscribe a little, since it read more like thinly disguised ad copy than as any analysis... :)

@Dan - pipe down, kid.
by Vegaman_Dan February 12, 2009 2:18 PM PST
Penguinisto:

Thank you for your comments. I will treat them with as much credit and value as your reputation and honesty has earned.
by random truth February 12, 2009 3:02 PM PST
I agree completely with wildscribe.
by thatkelly February 12, 2009 8:16 AM PST
Hi Rafe!
Thanks for trying to integrate the Mac into a PC world! I too have the impression that Mac users seem downright happy about having a Mac. My issue is that I work at client sites that are always running on Windows networks and sometimes require IE for App I work on.
I was considering switching and just having a dual boot set-up with Mac and XP, but after determining it would be possible I figured out that the cost for this would be staggering.

Again, great article!
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by David.Jennings February 12, 2009 8:24 AM PST
Regarding your comments about how bad MS Office for the Mac is, I would just like to add... I gave up on Microsoft Office (both Mac and PC versions) about 3 years ago and have NEVER looked back. No MS Word, no MS Excel, no MS Outlook, AND ABSOLUTELY no MS PowerPoint.

The Mac "iWork" suite does everything those MS applications do and are a pleasure to work with. And YES I do work regularly in an MS work flow. I have just learned a few steps within iWork to import and export files for the MS guys. EVERY time you save a file in the iWork suite it gives you the option to save as PDF, or to export for MS. I generally save my local files in the native format and export to others whatever they need.

The only downfall to this is Outlook which is not replicated well for the Mac. But I don't want or need the exchange services of Outlook, so this is not an issue for me. But my understanding is that the upcoming "Snow Leopard" release of OS X should solve many of those MS Exchange issues and bring Exchange functionality to Apple Mail. (I personally think Apple should then offer a version of Mail for the PC users like they did with iTunes and Safari).

One last comment.. the price difference between iWork and MS Office is DRASTIC! MS Office runs in the $400 range (depending on vendor), while iWork is $79. The 5 license pack for iWork is only $99! Installing MS Office (legally) on just the computers my wife and I own would break the bank.

I banished the Microsoft monkey.... he is NOT welcome here anymore!
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by The_happy_switcher February 12, 2009 10:36 AM PST
Congrats for leaving the Dark Side behind once and for all.
by Notoapplefanbois February 12, 2009 8:27 AM PST
Ahhhhhhhh cnet. the land of (nonsensical, and yes that is a word)apple fanboy's
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by pebear February 12, 2009 8:54 AM PST
If Apple would just sell the world it's OS you could install VMWARE on your thinkpad and run Windows and MAC OS in VM sessions. I can't see how Apple can continue to compete, by selling highly inflated hardware costs. You can purchase the same Intel and even AMD, that you find running today's Macintosh computers. You can find people running MAC OS in VMWARE sessions on the various "HankinTosh" sites. It's crazy for Apple to continue to sell computers when the sheer vollume of OS they could push out the door would be staggering. It would definitely be much more profitable than the crap boxes they are foisting upon the world today.
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by ralfthedog February 12, 2009 10:03 AM PST
I thought Apple used Intel only instructions. No AMD computers running OS/X.

It would be a very bad decision for Apple to sell OS/X for any computer. Apple makes very little money selling software. They make their development cost back but not much more (Excluding music). One thing that most people don't take into account is bin sorting. Some batches of hardware have very high reliability, others very low. Companies like Tiger Direct, New Egg and Dell buy from the bottom bin. Apple buys from the middle bins for most parts and the top bin for RAM.

If you are running mission critical applications and you can't afford enterprise class hardware (Multiply redundant hot swappable components), Apple is a good choice.
by OlsonBW February 12, 2009 11:54 AM PST
pebear - You are just one of the many clueless people out there.

Apple sales hardware that just happens to have an OS and software on it. The reason for the OS and software is to sell the hardware.

Keep repeating that until you get it. If they start letting people run the OS and software on any computer, they wouldn't be selling as much hardware. That isn't what they are interested in.

Whether you think this is right not is moot. You don't own the company and you are not the CEO. So your opinion, and mine, do not matter. I would change some things too but I wouldn't let the OS out onto the world though.
by pithenumber February 16, 2009 12:28 PM PST
@ralfthedog
I got an AMD to Hackintosh to Mac OS, its slightly harder than getting an Intel to do so and OS X is Intel optimized anyways

Newegg=bottom of the bin NO WAY, I like my RAM from Newegg. I don't care if Apple pays more for their parts, I/My customers get the same for less. I've paid for cheap RAM that isn't crap. These Mushkin sticks of DDR3 is what I'm using for time being.
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146740> $74, that's less than what Apple charges to put one extra 1 gb stick of DDR2 into an iMac. I have yet to have ANY Mushkin RAM from Newegg fail on me.
by MaggieRed February 12, 2009 9:00 AM PST
@ goodspeed8701

Leopard brings new Finder features such as Cover Flow, Quick Look (browse, play, view, page through files without opening a file), Time Machine, Updated Mail with notes, to-do's and personalized stationary, iChat updates, Spaces, updated Safari, updated Parental Controls and Boot Camp. Those are the major new features of Leopard, although there were some 300 total changes. Leopard brought full 64-bit support.

Tiger brought to OS X, Spotlight (find routine), dashboard, updated Safari with RSS, iChat support for up to 3 videos same time or 9 audios, Finder allows for smart folders for burning CD/DVD, Mail got an update to use Spotlight technology, rolled Address Book, iCal, Keychain passwords, and Mail all use the same database, Quicktime got H.264 encoding, a Automator script tool, and voice over technology from UNIX.

Hope that helps.
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by ikramerica--2008 February 13, 2009 9:38 PM PST
Spotlight is also much, much better under Leopard. More features, much faster. If you can remember to use it (since it's new, it's teaching an old dog new tricks), it is the most powerful feature ever included in the OS.

Command-Space brings it up.

Start to type anything in, like "airp" and you'll instantly get a list of things with "airp" in it, including Airport Utility as the "Top Hit" and you hit return and it launches the app.

Start to type in someone's name who is in your address book, and it brings up their card and hit return and it opens Address Book to their card.

Type a word and it will bring up a link to the dictionary definition.

Start to type the name of a song you have in your iTunes library, and it will open iTunes and start to play it!

It's far, far more powerful than a "find routine" a this point.
by ggirton February 12, 2009 9:01 AM PST
Rafe, thanks for the follow-up on your Mac adventure. Since I'm probably one of the people that lambasted you on the original story (being a flame warrior is both a privilege and a duty) I commend your continued attention to "mind the gap" issues between the PC and the Mac. It's good to know there's a witchin' app that will reproduce the Windows task switching behaviour, although I consider the mac's 'ignore' of the minimized windows a good feature in task switching. And as an iPhone (iPod Touch actually) aficionado, Evernote seems like it will be killer. Thanks for that one! I do have one cavil, though, with your assertion of decreased productivity on two platforms. From where I sit, your productivity has INCREASED, simply because you are able to bring me news of how to make my own dual-platform (or trio-platform if I include Vista) work life easier. But hey, if you still labor under the illusion that you're the best judge of your own productivity, then more power to you! Cheers!
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