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February 6, 2009 6:48 PM PST

Reported Kindle 2 photos look like the real deal

by David Carnoy
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Just got an e-mail from Alexander Turcic over at MobileRead.

Turcic, based in Switzerland, writes:

Hi David:

I hope you are doing fine. Got some news regarding Kindle 2 price and release info, plus the first Kindle 2 pics.

Cheers,
Alex

According to the post, the Kindle 2, which is expected to be announced Monday at 10 a.m. in New York, will be available on February 24 and carry a list price of $359--just like its predecessor. All in all, the device looks similar to what we saw in earlier leaked photos, but in these shots the Kindle 2 looks sleeker and decidedly more impressive. While we have no confirmation that this is the real deal, these look like marketing shots if I ever saw them.

More photos after the jump.

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Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by February 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST
This form factor hits a sweet spot that Star Trek has know baout for decades with their "padds". I look forward to seeing this sized machine in a general purpose computing device supplanting netbooks and such.
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by molotov February 7, 2009 4:20 PM PST
I can also guess you expect Kindle 2 to shoot lasers and tele-port you to distant galaxies. I think for the most part it will do a good job displaying text-files, for now.
by tcr071 February 7, 2009 7:14 PM PST
This sized machine has been available for a very long time for personal computing. It is called a tablet PC and there are a plethora of them.
by fleurya February 8, 2009 9:01 AM PST
still ugly at sin IMHO
by 7aji88 February 6, 2009 10:36 PM PST
it looks nice and thin, but I want the screen to fill more space on the front.
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by yjarbou February 7, 2009 12:54 AM PST
Yahh
it looks thin, but the keyboard takes much space which can be replaced by a digital keyboard.
I think sony ebook still a winner in such product.
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by kelmon February 7, 2009 2:31 AM PST
Absolutely correct. The keyboard is not an important feature of the product yet it takes up so much space that could be dedicated to the most important part, the screen.
by timber2005 February 7, 2009 7:37 AM PST
There is no screen digitizer (aka, not a touch screen) so you can't use a digital keyboard.
You would add a lot of thickness to add in a digitizer.
by make_or_break February 7, 2009 10:43 PM PST
Virtual keyboards suck. Sony readers (at least the first two) suck.

But the K2 still should have a bigger screen area regardless. Overall though, it looks a hell of a lot better than its predecessor.
by gocard February 7, 2009 1:39 AM PST
I would say the screen and keyboard size are just right. Remember, you have to hold this thing, and you don't want to be putting your fingers on the screen. I think Amazon took a nice step with this design. Definitely sleeker and more attractive.
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by richard993 February 7, 2009 1:59 AM PST
So instead of your finger accidentally touching the screen, your accidentally pressing buttons instead... hmmm, I think I would rather the former.
by MastrCake February 7, 2009 5:50 PM PST
richard993,

The current Kindle doesn't register keyboard presses when reading eBooks.

I suspect this will be the same.
by Deekman February 7, 2009 4:24 AM PST
The Sony Reader is far and away a better platform for "e-reading." What do you need a keyboard for anyway? It's for READING, not TYPING.
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by FellowConspirator February 7, 2009 6:27 AM PST
I have to concur. Amazon needs to look through their product catalog and ask themselves how many of their books have a keyboard (that takes up 1/3 the of the page).
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by seven7dust February 7, 2009 7:24 AM PST
how is this portable ? it's the size of a laptop almost !
real books will be easier to carry
they need to remove that keyboard for n e one to even be remotely interested !
this is already a niche product, why make it bigger ?
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by RobertSanders February 7, 2009 7:24 AM PST
People who have actually used the Kindle would know that the keyboard is useful for using the Amazon store via the built-in wireless modem. Never needing to tether to your computer is a huge differentiator for the Kindle.

It's also useful for searching and using functions like the dictionary, web browser, and especially Wikipedia.
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by bp174 February 7, 2009 8:38 AM PST
I agree, but there are much smaller keyboards out there that are widely used, e.g., Blackberry. While I'm not always happy with the size of those keys, I used them all the time to send email, etc. The screen is THE most important element of a reader, and it should be as large and readable as possible/practical.
by MaLvaDo39 February 7, 2009 8:37 AM PST
iPhone.
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by MastrCake February 7, 2009 5:53 PM PST
No sir, it's a "Kindle", but I am pretty sure Amazon is flattered by your assessment that this looks like an Apple product.
by professionaladventurer February 7, 2009 9:54 AM PST
Looks nice in my opinion. I would use it to read books and kill time. When I am out deep, there is nothing that beats the technology of a $6.99 paperback and ziplock bag. but for comfy, dry missions or waiting for transport; I hate reading on my iPhone, don't like tying to set up my laptop in the truck or on my pack, I think this would be perfect for killing time in the (not so deep) field.
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by pentest February 7, 2009 11:32 AM PST
Exactly!

It is also pretty worthless for students. How about marking pages in a way that is easy to retrieve, just like a book. Then of course, they can't sell it back and a digital copy is as expensive as a book.

Toys like this are designed to stop the horrible acts of reselling and lending books. Nothing more.
by SeizeCTRL February 7, 2009 12:17 PM PST
YES! I rank the reselling of books right up there with the Bush administration, Nazi Germany and Pol Pot! HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE! Those who lend books should be kicked out of this great country for their horrible acts against capitalism... I swear, it's the reselling of books and the lending to friends that has brought this economy down! Not the banks, greedy CEOs etc, but Half.com and their 50 cent used books!

Bravo sir for shedding light on this modern day evil!
by BigGuns149 February 7, 2009 1:11 PM PST
@pentest: A $30 book typically sells for $9.99 or less on Amazon. A lot of older titles that are in the public domain are selling for a $1 or less and some cost nothing at all. If you literature class assigns something you are going to have a hard time getting a paperback edition for less money. There aren't many books that I would consider textbooks that are available in Kindle versions yet, but somehow I doubt that a Kindle version of a textbook would be identical in price because a big part of the production of books is the printing and shipping of the books. With a Kindle version the cost of shipping is rather nominal and dropping as bandwidth gets cheaper and cheaper and there are no publishing costs.

The big problem I see with the Kindle for students is that the vast majority of their assigned texts don't have Kindle versions so they would never get much use out of a Kindle at this point. Furthermore, the screen resolution is too low for some illustrations and diagrams to be viewed properly on the Kindle so there are some textbooks I simply don't see a Kindle version coming unless the new Kindle has much better resolution.
by pentest February 7, 2009 11:29 AM PST
I would like to meet someone who bought one this stupid things.

Talk about an expensive solution that is still in search of a real problem.
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by BigGuns149 February 7, 2009 1:15 PM PST
Hmm... so the poor battery life of laptops and the weight and space of carrying dead tree books aren't real problems? For someone who wants to read a lot, but doesn't want to carry around a lot of books I think ebooks offer a solution that solves a real problem. With the low number of books that the average American reads I would agree with you that most Americans would never read enough books to justify the cost of the Kindle or the Sony eBook reader, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a real market for these devices.
by Zoobie February 7, 2009 2:34 PM PST
I bought the Sony reader after a two-week business trip to Europe. I started with a couple of books I brought from home, and had about 6 books from the airports/hotels by the time I was finished. I've never regretted owning the e-reader and it's well worth the cost. I especially love all the free books at guttenburg.org--it saves me a fortune.
by pentest February 7, 2009 11:41 PM PST
Paperbacks are easy to read and few people carry numerous books.

Those that do are called college students and this toy has no value to them.
by mrfearless47 February 8, 2009 10:07 AM PST
OK. You've met someone who owns TWO first generation Kindles and an iPhone. I have more than 600 books stored on my Kindle plus a 4 GB SD card. The Kindle's battery lasts for days (about 6 days) without the WiFi turned on. Five days with the WiFi on to download daily newspapers - the complete paper, not just headlines or selected articles. I've got dozens of reference books that were converted from PDF to Kindle format. I also carry a laptop when I travel. I've tried Stanza on the iPhone, but dislike it intensely. The iPhone's battery is not suitable for the type of reading I do - sometimes an hour or two at a time. Try travelling carrying about a dozen books.

I haven't used the SONY e-Book, but I've always disliked SONY's DRM and the limited availability of books. Amazon just makes it as easy as the iPhone to get content and there is a heck of a lot more readable content for the Kindle than will ever be available for the iPhone. I'm not interested in public domain and indie books. I keep a full reference library of programming tomes on my Kindle, plus a full professional library of medical texts.

I only hope that the next version of the Kindle uses a slightly clearer version of e-Ink. I'll happily buy two more and resell my gen 1 Kindles. There is a good resale market for them.

If you haven't used a Kindle, then you can't hardly criticize them. Yes, generation 1 is a bit "ugly", but it is a dream to use, misplaced buttons and all. And try using it without a keyboard. And you can also bookmark and tag content. You just can't "write" in the margins.

It is a solution to my problem, which is how to carry a ton of content in an easy-t0-read format while having a very long and durable battery. The iPhone just doesn't cut it with the battery and diminutive screen - at least not for an old guy like me.
by ronniehill February 7, 2009 2:22 PM PST
I have a laptop with Adobe Digital Edition software installed (It organzies your content very well). I download e-books from ebooks.com and I'm very satisified with how I get my reading content. I love gadgets and technology but for me this technology just isn't justified due to me not being a frequent business traveler. If I didn't have a laptop and desktop then i would be the first in line to purchase this. In the meantime I'm just not in to piling gadget on top of gadget just for the sake of it.
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by MastrCake February 7, 2009 6:03 PM PST
How are your eyes?

Because after 16 years of staring at computer screens for a MINIMUM of 5 hours a day, mine need to be replaced.

But if yours are still fine, I'll swap you, and as an added bonus, I'll throw in some super-high prescription goggles for free!

I am just joking around, but that last sentence is a VERY valid point. Maybe if they made color e-Ink displays for laptops...
by vlavrnic February 9, 2009 7:16 AM PST
Last year I bought FS Stylistic tablet. With it you can read, watch, listen whatever you want, you can put XP, Vista... It has 12" screen, no kbd, Core2 Duo, 120 GB HDD... Compared to any other "reader" it is much more usable since it allows you not only to read but to put comments (in PDF for example), can be used as notes holder (I used to write on small paper pieces and lost them afterward). Battery life is between 4 and 7 hours depending on usage. I plan to upgrade it with SSD when prices become more acceptable. I do hibernate all the time without any problem. etc, etc.
BUT if we neglect physical size and weight (more then A4 format and 3.2 lbs) which can be problem for some usage scenarios there is matter of price. It cost around 2500 USD (1800 EUR). There are other tablets as well with price more affordable but for new device at that time everything was at least 3 to 4 times of the Kindle price. So when discussing about this device have in mind that it is affordable if you need it. It does not make sense to buy one now but if they add inking for the same price I might do rethinking.
So if you read a lot this device sounds like interesting shopping. It is not almighty but for that price I find it acceptable.
Oh yes and what I am missing from time to time is small keyboard just like this.
by gigo1000 February 7, 2009 3:27 PM PST
My wife reads 2 or 3 books a week. I could never get her to read a book on a laptop. She looked at these pictures and said she would read a book on a kindle. I may get her one for her birthday.

Schools will have to go to electronic readers. Too much money is wasted on books that are out of date, have errors that can't be corrected, transportation, storage, damage, etc. etc. etc. E-texts can be corrected and updated from a central server. Storage costs and transport = $0.00. With economies of scale it will be less expensive to replace e-readers that books.
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by NocturnalCT February 7, 2009 4:59 PM PST
I've seen people use it in the gym. The nice thing is the book doesn't want to close on you so you just put it on the threadmill (or whatever) and pop through the pages.

About the form factor, I think Kindle3 may have a pop out keyboard like some phones. Of course the 'pop' mechanism takes up space too so it may not be a good solution in this case. For the kindle2 it may be that they had space left over because of the electronics it needs to function and they figured they may as well put a keyboard there. It seems unlikely they'd add another 2" of space at the bottom just for that rather substantial keyboard. Then again, who knows :)

When I fly (5 times a year or so) I like to read and you'll always need a paper book if you want to read while electronics are verboten (takeoff/taxi/landing).

Anyway, glad Amazon keeps pushing this device. Clearly it's not for everyone and no matter what product you'll put out you'll have people calling it 'stupid' while others love it. I don't think Jeff B meant for everyone to have one. Well, in a naughty dream perhaps :)
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by FargoUT February 9, 2009 3:43 AM PST
I hadn't thought about that at the gym -- that would make this thing very nice to have! However, for what they are charging, I can't justify the expense. In this economy, a device costing over $300 better have something to offer worth the cost, and while I like the idea of an e-reader, I don't see it being worth it. Drop the price, and this would sell. But they won't drop the price, and I think a large reason for that is because they want to add cache to the device, make it a hot commodity.

I wouldn't object to receiving a Kindle2 for my birthday, but this is out of my price range as a poor struggling college student. I do agree with others that the screen should be larger and the keyboard smaller. And if they could actually implement page flipping via touchscreen, that would make it feel much more like reading a book. I know that's probably a dumb thing to ask for, but sometimes a little bit of flair to the presentation is needed to sell a device like this.
by garner89 February 7, 2009 5:41 PM PST
A little Apple esk....
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by ewelch February 7, 2009 6:24 PM PST
Color! Where's the color?
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by pentest February 7, 2009 11:42 PM PST
I think the white is a good idea. If you are actually going to use one of these things, the white will be less distracting.
by dwhieb February 7, 2009 6:40 PM PST
Amazon just released a software update for the Kindle this evening. It doesn't look like they changed much. They changed the 'Check for New Items' option to 'Sync & Check for New Items'. I'm curious as to what new content they might be syncing. MP3s??? Seems like a stretch, but there's clearly some reason they're adding the word 'Sync'.

It also looks like they nixed the NowNow service, which I don't find too surprising.
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by jwalton4th February 7, 2009 9:36 PM PST
If these were marketing pictures, I find it odd that the battery indicator would almost be empty. You wouldn't think they would want to paint a picture of short battery life on this thing...
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by goodtimebob February 7, 2009 10:54 PM PST
I agree there are still issues. As a public school teacher (apologize for that) I can see one way to really spur development. Get one or more of the big three states-California, New York and Texas- to state that all textbook adoptions for core academic subjects would only be of Ebook types. Set out a standardized requirement for the reader to be able to accept not only books but also downloads from the school site such a student handbooks, calendars and instructor syllabus/handouts. Ability to print out notes and excerpts. Ability to upgrade texts. Ability to receive daily bulletins and other info. With a possible market of several million readers you would see a lot of companies jumping into the field. Watch the price drop. Just don't micro manage. Surely, industry will come up with other features. The second half is of course getting the textbook publishers on board. That should be relatively easy. The publishing industry already is all digital. Just a matter of file format. There are only a handful of large textbook publishers so coordination should be easier than the hardware side. They can obviously offer a large discount on a huge text that doesn't have to be printed, bound and shipped. School districts would also save on warehousing and staffs needed to physically move books. Included should be a way to offer partial updates on a timely manner. Under current conditions the school districts are extending adoption cycles to longer periods.
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by yjarbou February 8, 2009 12:36 AM PST
I agree.
I think the publishers still not fully like this. but if you remove the printing/staff costs, the price should drops dramatically and gona see the people going forward to it. without publishers contribution, the companies will not invest much in these products
by jimafrost February 8, 2009 6:00 AM PST
"When I fly (5 times a year or so) I like to read and you'll always need a paper book if you want to read while electronics are verboten (takeoff/taxi/landing)."

I have always dealt with this by hiding the e-book while the attendants do their final check, then pulling it out again when they're strapped in.

The proscription against electronics is so that they can talk to you during take-off and landing; this being a book it's silly to disallow it.

Probably like rollerblades in stores back in 1990 I get away with that because they really don't know what the thing is, they're too rare, and as they become more popular it will get more strict ... until they're so popular that there is hue and cry over the ridiculousness of banning them during take-off and landing.

Aaanyway, people complaining about the keyboard are wrong. There are many places a keyboard is useful. The Sony with the touchscreen is really difficult to use to search or annotate, the Kindle isn't, and you really really want one when you're hooked up to the Amazon store. It's a plus, no question.

We'll see in a couple of weeks when they start shipping the things, but off the cuff I think it looks like a significant ergonomic improvement over its predecessor -- and despite many complaints the predecessor worked pretty darn well as it was.

I know there are many e-book detractors but lemme tell yea, when you've got 5000+ books in your house these things start to look really appealing. And I love the fact that when I finish my book while waiting for my next plane I can just get another one right on the spot, without having to track down the lousy airport bookstore. And they don't look like explosives to the airport people, like the monstrous Harry Potter tome did, which necessitated tearing my luggage completely apart and (of course) mis-packing it afterward....

If you travel or read a lot the Kindle is spectacular.

jim frost
jimf@frostbytes.com
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