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February 2, 2009 12:23 PM PST

AMD vs. Nvidia: $150(ish) 3D card smackdown

by Rich Brown

Unlike our recent look into high-end 3D cards, we know exactly what we have on-hand in the way of budget cards (thank you, Techpowerup's GPU-Z). For AMD's part, we have the Diamond Radeon HD 4850, with updated benchmarks from the numbers we ran in our July review. In Nvidia's camp, we get the EVGA GeForce GTX 9800+ Superclocked edition, an overclocked (for real this time), version of Nvidia's stock GeForce GTX 9800+ card.

The single-slot Diamond Viper Radeon HD 4850 is now available for $180.

(Credit: CNET)

While both of these cards debuted this past summer, their prices have dropped slightly since then, creating an affordable little sweet spot for mainstream PC-gaming performance. If you shop at retailers like NewEgg.com and TheNerds.com that tend to have more aggressive pricing, the formerly $200 Radeon HD 4850 card is now available for about $180, and the GeForce GTX 9800+ is down from $225 to around $165. On the one hand, the $15 difference between them now may tip the scale towards the overclocked Nvidia card. On the other, the Diamond card only takes up a single card-expansion slot. The Nvidia card's double-wide design puts some limits on the kinds of systems that will accept it.

EVGA's double-wide GeForce GTX 9800+ Superclocked edition.

(Credit: CNET)

Regardless of their physical attributes, the performance of these cards is almost identical. We even found that as long as you stick to a resolution of 1,680x1,050 you get the most headroom for higher image-quality settings, (except on original flavor Crysis, naturally). With very little performance differentiation, we're calling this round an effective draw, as the price and design differences create some situational advantages for each card.

The high-end and the budget-price ranges out of the way, that leaves us with only the midrange, $300 price point left to go. We still have to get our hands on one more card to complete that match-up. Once we do, we'll have those reviews posted as soon as we can.

Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by Pnewman98 February 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST
Where are the prices coming from?

A 4850 from a reputable, trustworthy vendor runs around $150, normally with a mail-in rebate of around $20 on Newegg. It's been months since the card was anywhere even close to $200.

Meanwhile, a 9800GTX+ starts at $160, with the majority coming in around $180 before rebate, making the card actually more expensive than its ATI counterpart.

Check facts before posting.
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by rhbrown February 3, 2009 8:06 AM PST
I went off the prices at NewEgg.com for the Diamond Viper card we tested. You're correct in that a 4850 from another board partner can be had for less. On NewEgg alone (can you tell where I shop?) they list one for $145 and another for $149.

That said, I'm not swayed by a difference of $10 or even $15 in either vendor's favor. If you follow graphics card prices, you know that price drops and rebates happen constantly. It's arguably impossible to pin down a specific price at any given point in time. Thus, in a case where performance and prices are basically the same, I don't find either factor useful in picking a winner.
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by lostviking February 3, 2009 8:13 AM PST
I have a Dell 530s. It uses half height cards. What's the best in that form factor? I'd like to have DVI and HDMI outputs if possible so I can use one to play movies on my HDTV. I use a Helios Media Server now for this, but sometimes it can't play movies I've download in avi. Since they always play on the PC...simple solution.
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by thrawn562 February 3, 2009 10:01 PM PST
Look for a Galaxy GeForce 9600 GT 512MB Low Profile at your fav. retailer. I've not seen a better low profile card than this.
by AppleSuxLeo February 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST
Got my 4850 at Frys over a month ago for $149 after rebate.
I used to be an NVIDIA guy , now love my ATI card.
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by ricster131 February 3, 2009 4:38 PM PST
can you use a regular vgi with these cards
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by Cheap-o February 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST
Yes, you just need a DVI to VGA adapter. Most cards today that have dvi come with one
by pratkal February 3, 2009 10:12 PM PST
why only compare only 2 cards i mean 4850 are avaible from msi xfx palit and more which are currently better brand then diamond and on other hand nvidia got zotac which is currently better brand then evga
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by rhbrown February 4, 2009 5:06 AM PST
To be honest, if I had my choice I'd only ever review engineering samples, rather than packaged cards from AMD and Nvidia's board partners. Engineering samples provide a pretty good idea of how every card with that chip will perform (buyers' primary concern, I'd argue), without bogging the conversation down with overclocking, fans, and all the other relatively minor stuff the partners do to differentiate.
by tcr071 February 4, 2009 8:16 PM PST
How can you give a "GPU smackdown" without showing ANY numbers what-so-ever? So you say the cards are "almost identical" what in the world does that mean? Identical compared to each other doesn't give me ANY information about how the cards perform for each game. Wow.
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by rhbrown February 5, 2009 8:17 AM PST
Hmm...good question. I guess I could have made it more clear in the post, but the review for the Geforce card is here: http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/evga-e-geforce-9800gtx/4505-8902_7-33316988.html

That has the most recent numbers for both cards. We actually reviewed the Diamond card when it first came out last year, but with a different set of benchmarks, provided by GameSpot: http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/diamond-viper-radeon-hd/4505-8902_7-33107341.html

The scores in the new review came from our own lab.
by the_jeenyus February 4, 2009 10:28 PM PST
will these work in laptops?
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by billped February 8, 2009 6:20 PM PST
Depends on the size of your lap. ;-)

No, they do not. Graphics chips/cards in laptops are typically not upgradeable as there isn't space enough to make them easily swappable. There are exceptions, but the number is tiny and the cost is high.
by mc_rog46_sd1 February 6, 2009 11:58 AM PST
Current NewEgg price for an Asus TOP 4850 (OC to 680/2100) is $165 with a $30 rebate and I output to a 30" CRT HDTV. Plays Blue Ray and games without a sweat and is very stable up to 770/2300 OC. Huge fan covers a PCI slot on my MSI K9A2 tho.
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by SimpleBear February 8, 2009 4:15 PM PST
The 4850 performs better overall versus the 9800 GTX+ and costs cheaper. The good cards from NVIDIA are the GTX260s (both old and new core version). ATI dominates the mainstream and value priced cards.
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by hongsungone February 8, 2009 6:35 PM PST
I got my 4850 for 99 dollars with rebate. Beat that NVIDIA
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