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January 22, 2009 11:35 AM PST

Update: AMD vs. Nvidia: High-end 3D card head-to-head

by Rich Brown
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On Wednesday, we wrote that we'd published reviews of two high-end PC graphics cards: Nvidia's GeForce GTX 295, and what we thought at the time was the Asus EAHD4870X2 TOP, an overclocked card using ATI's Radeon HD 4870X2 dual-chip design. We learned Thursday morning that the Asus card we thought we had is actually something else.

As found on the Asus Web site, here is a picture of the standard clocked edition of its $479 EAHD4870X2 graphics card:

(Credit: Asus)

Also on that same site, a picture of the $550 overclocked version:

(Credit: Asus)

Finally, here's what showed up in our lab:

(Credit: CNET)

Turns out, despite all outward appearances, the card we received was not, in fact, overclocked. Instead, it's the standard edition, at 750MHz clock speed per core. AMD says it sent us the Asus-branded, ready-for-retail packaged version, but we're unclear as to why the fan and heatsink assembly is so different than what Asus has on display. If you've purchased the standard clocked edition yourself, we'd be interested to know what came in your box.

The reviews (Asus now here, competing GeForce GTX 295 here) have since been corrected, although our assessment stays the same. We still recommend the Nvidia GeForce GTX 295 card over the Asus card, or any other with ATI's Radeon HD4870 X2 design. The standard version may be $479, down from the $550 overclocked model, but it's still slower and more power-hungry than the GTX 295, which costs just $20 more. You can also bet we'll be running GPU-Z on all 3D cards from here on to confirm their clock speeds.

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It's been about six months since we've looked at a 3D graphics card here at CNET, so we thought we'd take a look at the market across multiple price ranges to see what we've missed. We have cards at the $300 and $150 price levels still in the lab, but with reviews of both AMD's and Nvidia's flagship cards posted, we thought we'd clue you in to what we've found so far.

Don't let the plain look of the GeForce GTX 295 fool you.

(Credit: CNET)

Round one: Nvidia's GeForce GTX 295 vs. AMD's ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 (overclocked)

We've seen reviews showing that Nvidia's $500 dual-chip GeForce GTX 295 card is faster than the former king of the hill, the ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2, but we wondered how an overclocked version of AMD's best-of-breed card would stack up. We especially wondered this when we realized that the stock card we requested from AMD (and generally prefer to test) turned out to be the overclocked $550 Asus EAHD4870X2 TOP.

You'd be wise to resist this Asus card's charms.

(Credit: CNET)

You can refer to the respective reviews (Nvidia's card here, the Asus card here) for the complete test results and specs, but the short version is that the even against an overclocked competitor, Nvidia's new card is almost universally faster on every game and at every resolution we tested. Add in the facts that the Nvidia card will be less expensive at retail, and that it uses less power, and your choice is easy.

With luck and smooth testing, we should have our $300 and $150 price-range reviews up soon, so stay tuned for those in the next week or so.

Rich Brown reviews desktops and various other components and peripherals for CNET. E-mail Rich.
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by glitch017 January 22, 2009 6:43 AM PST
I think the decision of 'high-end' choices here is kind of lacking. What I mean by that is, NVIDIA does have a new card (the GTX 285) and is getting performance reviews that represent 'high end' better. I would relate people here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3501&p=7) to see what I mean. Tom's hardware does fairly well, but I find AnandTech to do a better job. I just think for a CNET frontpage article this is really lacking in actual content/quality. I don't even see SLI referenced on this page!

It's nice that CNET's reviews of the cards are referenced but a real comprehensive review I think would be much more valuable to people that do not know as much but want to learn. It's also what I would expect for a front page article. I registered just so I could say that, but I was really disappointed when I looked over this page so I had to put in my 2 cents.
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by zgreenwell January 22, 2009 10:09 AM PST
The ATI card has a better picture on it so it wins! Take that Nvidia!
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by worldnet33 January 22, 2009 10:14 AM PST
Thanks CNET for always updating me with the current gadgets available in the market today. With the release of the latest NVIDIA graphics card, gamers like me will have a blast playing our favorite online games.Thanks a lot!

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http://www.worldnet-long-distance.com/van.html">Van from St. Louis</a>
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by Whocares4 January 22, 2009 1:09 PM PST
I guess nobody noticed that the picture of the Nvidia card is upside down and showing the back, not the front. Just goes to show you that cnet is prejudiced. <sigh>
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by Eric Mason January 23, 2009 2:20 AM PST
Actually what's on the other side of the Nvidia card is an open board, so Cnet was correct to show the side they did. The card I have seen has white strips on the side they are showing so, yes, it does look plain but it is the correct side.
by goinsra January 22, 2009 2:14 PM PST
In a previous Video Card review, it was stated "$ for $" the ATI 4850 was the best bang for the buck. Based on that I recently purschaded that card with a new pc. Have I been led wrong?
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by justchuck69 January 22, 2009 4:03 PM PST
well here in Canada the nvidia cost 75 to 250 more ( and all i check none was in stock)
so in reality i think the ati wins on three points
1 you can actually buy it now ( might be for sale in the usa only for now ? not sure but here in Canada it is not available yet )
2 cost way cheaper ( must be why you post no price with the nvidia review but do include one with the ati )
3 driver stability should be better ( 1 it has been out longer and 2 in the past i have had better results from ati drivers and less hassles)
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by justchuck69 January 22, 2009 4:12 PM PST
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143167
found one at newegg.ca 619.99 for a gtx 295 made by bfg that does not seem like 20 bucks more even after you convert your price into canadian dollars
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by tcr071 January 22, 2009 7:07 PM PST
Don't benchmark graphic hardware if you aren't even going to take the time to run GPU-Z before you start. Errors like this could happen, a GPU could be underclocked or defective, or there could be any number of errors that would throw off the numbers.
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by tipoo_ January 25, 2009 10:25 AM PST
waiting for "lil dragon".
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by Tod Smith January 25, 2009 8:29 PM PST
I don't go by Benchmarks anymore. It's about price and games.
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by 330Andy February 3, 2009 2:38 PM PST
I hate to take issue, but if you look at the reviews two of the three games they test this card on are games with heavily developed Nvidia driver bias. The only "neutral" game is Left 4 Dead which if you notice the ATI scored better by one frame. The same occurs in games like Team Fortress 2 and other graphically intense titles. The ATI card is better from an engineering standpoint thus the justified power usage. The fact that Cnet waves this card orders of magnitude higher than the ATI 4870x2 just means that there is heavy bias.

The prices of the cards (from an ACTUAL parts dealer) Newegg
ATI Sapphire Radeon HD 4870x2---$429.99 (399.99 after rebate)
EVGA GeForce GTX295---504.99

So the ATI is up to $100 dollars cheaper and right on top of the competition.
Way to go Cnet.

(****Fact checking... It works****)
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