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October 28, 2008 9:01 PM PDT

HP gets serious about Netbooks

by Erica Ogg
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Update: This blog has been corrected to reflect that the Mini 1000 will be available Wednesday on HP.com, and in retail stores later.

HP Mini 1000 MIE Linux MediaStyle

The Mini 1000 MIE has a custom HP interface meant to hide its Linux OS from users.

(Credit: Hewlett-Packard)

After a brief experiment in the education market, Hewlett-Packard on Wednesday is set to introduce a whole line of Netbooks for mainstream consumers.

The HP Mini 1000 comes in three versions, with starting prices ranging from $379 to $699, and will be available on HP.com starting Wednesday, with worldwide retailers to be announced later.

HP first dipped its toe into the mini-notebook market back in April with the Mini-Note 2133, which it claimed was strictly for K through 12 students and some business travelers. At the time, HP was adamant that this was not meant to play in the same arena as the consumer-oriented Netbook from Asus, the Eee PC. Though it won't break out the numbers, HP now says the sales of the 2133 "exceeded all expectations."

But the new HP Mini 1000, Mini 1000 MIE, and the Mini 1000 Vivienne Tam Edition are very much intended for consumers. So what's changed in just six months? The look and feel of the Mini 1000 line isn't drastically different from the 2133, but the Netbook market has had a dramatic makeover, though it's more noticeable abroad than here in the U.S.

First let's look at what's different between the Mini-Note 2133 and the updated version: The Mini 1000 is actually a "Netbook" in the true sense this time around--as in, it contains Intel's Atom processor, rather than the C7 from Via.

Second, there are more options depending on the features a person needs, and a cheaper low-end device, now starting below $400. The Mini 1000, intended for productivity applications, starts at $399 and is available starting Wednesday. It comes with Windows XP and either an 8.9-inch or 10.2-inch screen, for $449. The MIE, meant for more casual, online activities, starts at $379, comes with Linux, but won't be available in the U.S. until January. The Vivienne Tam version--which HP previewed at New York Fashion Week last month--will go on sale in mid-December starting at $699. All will be initially for sale on HP.com.

Otherwise, compared to the earlier 2133, the basic computer they're shipping is essentially the same. A little thinner, a little lighter--due to the plastic case rather than the aluminum of the 2133--but with the same 92 percent keyboard, built-in Webcam, wireless, and options for solid-state or hard-disk drives.

HP Mini 1000 Vivienne Tam

The Vivienne Tam Edition is the boldest-looking, but also the priciest of the new Mini 1000 series.

(Credit: Hewlett-Packard)

However, the Mini 1000 exudes a ton more personality than the 2133. There's better design inside and out, with black ripple patterned casing or the loud red Vivienne Tam-printed version. Although on the inside is where HP's done the most work, namely to disguise the fact that with the MIE model, you're using a Linux-based device.

The HP MediaStyle interface is available on the Mini1000 MIE version, which comes with Linux rather than Windows XP like the other two models. MediaStyle sits on top of Linux and is a dashboard that takes users to music, IM, photos, videos, and the Web with one touchpad click, which HP says will shield users from ever having to interact with the open-source OS.

"It's important we made sure that Linux does not manifest itself to the user," said Carlos Montalvo, vice president of marketing for the Personal Systems Group at HP.

Different colors, screen sizes, and slightly lower price tags have been the only way PC makers have come up with that set these tiny notebooks apart thus far. By creating a unique interface option on the MIE, HP has officially made the first real move to differentiate these Netbook devices. (It's similar to the way the company's TouchSmart interface sits on top of its TouchSmart desktop's Vista OS.)

The MediaStyle interface makes the Mini1000 stand out better than any bold pattern from a hot designer ever could, and should definitely grab some attention during the upcoming holiday shopping season.

This all looks great on paper, of course. Why shouldn't the biggest PC maker in the world be able to sell a lot of these trendy tiny notebooks when lower-priced options in a down economy could be particularly attractive to cost-conscious consumers?

But in the U.S., it's still unclear whether there's a viable market for Netbooks. People are buying them, but may be doing so in place of traditional notebooks. For PC vendors, that's like taking one step forward and two steps back.

Luckily there's more to the PC industry than North America, and right now, the key for Netbook pushers is Europe.

In March 2008, when HP introduced the Mini-Note 2133, IDC estimated that the year would finish up with 3.6 million Netbooks shipped worldwide. As of October, IDC is now estimating that 10.9 million Netbooks will ship.

It's a dramatic increase, and the difference is all coming out of Europe, the Middle East, and Africa (EMEA), where Asus and Acer have been incredibly aggressive about their Netbooks, the Eee PC and Aspire One, respectively. Of the 10.9 million units that are estimated to ship worldwide by the end of 2008, 8.1 million will go to EMEA, says IDC.

Acer and Asus have done well in the region, as evidenced by Acer's quick rise to the top of the portable PC market there. But they've been aided by local telecom companies, who are subsidizing Netbooks in exchange for a signed wireless service contract. It's a model that in the past few months has thrived in Europe.

Dell signed up Vodafone for this kind of deal on its Netbook, the Inspiron Mini 9 in September, but HP's mostly been on the sidelines in this regard, and representatives for the company haven't indicated if a similar deal with wireless providers are in the works.

Either way, in the end, HP is among the best positioned in the Netbook market: It's the biggest PC maker out there, and has the resources and industry clout to actually do something relatively different in the Netbook space, as demonstrated by the MediaStyle interface. But whether success comes at the cost of selling traditional notebooks still remains to be seen.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by ajnauron October 28, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
Wow, finally. The HP Mini-note was my favorite netbook from the start because of it's huge keyboard with non-tapered keys(a pet peeve of mine), even though the processor was the via c7-m. Now I can have both power and a large keyboard, but what did they do to that wonderful 160gb HD?
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by RadioPictures October 28, 2008 11:35 PM PDT
They also got rid of the hi res screen for 1024 x 600. Boo.
by bakedpatato October 28, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
Ooo. Purty! Seriously, they look really nice, dig the black!
I think HP's good to "shield users from ever having to interact with the open-source OS.", and for people like me who would use Wine every day to run AOE II on one of these babies, I still enjoy not having to work with the (very very improved but still lacking) GNOME or KDE GUIs(Don't get me started on Fluxbox).
Oh and lets hope Xorg.conf(you're not a real linux user till Xorg crashes on you) don't crash on one of these machines ;)
Now if I could get 3G...
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by this1! October 29, 2008 6:08 AM PDT
yea, as much as i love fluxbox, you make a good point...
by coolwaterdvr February 15, 2009 4:42 AM PST
Indeed you are correct. lol. It's a pain if your xorg crashes. I spent countless hours finding solutions to my xorg problem. But after I got it right it ROCKS! I prefer GNOME over KDE b the way :-)
by htcstech October 28, 2008 10:24 PM PDT
I'd really like to see if they'll set up some kind of repository for the Linux version or provide an easy way of installing 3rd party software.
How are they going to do that I wonder?
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by oassaf October 28, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
Htcstech...the HP software is literally just a program running on top of the base linux system, you could easily close it and just run linux...

The big hard drive is gone because of a MS rule regarding what an XP machine only running XP can be sold with...which is why the Via/Vista 2133 had such better specs
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by STEVEDOAKMD October 29, 2008 6:47 PM PDT
***The big hard drive is gone because of a MS rule regarding what an XP machine only running XP can be sold with...which is why the Via/Vista 2133 had such better specs***

THAT SOUNDS like illegal restraint of trade. How miserable can MS get. I think we already knew.
by bob1xxxx October 28, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
Opps maybe I should have wait, atleast this generation has a really processor intel adam, Nah not really my asus 1000ha is a great machine and it starts with 20gigs less hp crap ware. ( peeps reveiws on newegg claim it takes the over one hour to get the HP bloat/performance robbing crap ware of there standard notebooks) . So I dont feel too bad but maybe know a "household name brand" is comming out with a real adam based note book more peeps with take the leap for fun portable computing:)
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by Sausagebiscuit October 29, 2008 4:55 AM PDT
I just got a headache from trying to read this.

I think the OP is trying to say that the HP netbooks come with crapware installed, and that it takes over an hour to remove it all.

IMHO, first thing to do with any OEM PC is to format and install a clean copy of the O.S. Also, I hope that HP allows easy access to the linux desktop should a user choose.
by fdunn3 October 29, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
It's my understanding that on the NetBooks they do not install the "CrapWare".

Now on their retail Notebooks, that's a whole different story.

The Intel "Atom" has 2 new versions. The ASUS 1000 uses the original Atom, while the newer HP 10" and Dell 12" use the newer versions of Atom. Dell has both the 1.3GHz (for longer battery life) and the 1.6GHz Atoms available.

The Dell 12" is really sharp too. I want to know whether the HP and Dell are using LED instead of CCFL backlighting as it save battery power since no inverter and resultant conversion losses are needed.
by TheWiiKid October 29, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
After traveling around the USA for the last month I wish I bought a mini notebook. Ive been hauling around a HP dv6000 for a month and it's kicking my but. I love HP and will be buying one of these mini's soon.
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by ifoster October 29, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
No more hp for me.
I have a laptop less than 6 years old. It cost around $2000. The video card went out and the whole mother board would have to be replaced for over $700.
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by AnthonyNYC October 29, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
Are you serious? The laptop lasted you 6 years and you are complaining? You got your moneys worth, man.
Laptops are meant to be disposable PC's not repaired. A new motherboard for a PC is around $49.
If the video card went bad, maybe it was from static hitting video port on back of laptop?
I am amzed how people blame entire company for something like this!
You tink only HP has parts wear out after 6 years? LOL
And why would you even want to repair a 6 year old laptop? It is outdated.
You can buy a new one for less than $700 with more power than that old model had.
PC's are not refrigerators which are built to last 20 years+, if you get a few good years out of them before they are outdated you got your money's worth, trust me, this is the nature of technology.
by Sausagebiscuit October 29, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
So you are blaming HP for a laptop that you got almost 6 years worth of use from??? It was time for a new main laptop when the warranty ran out, or at least after three years had past. If you had said 6 months, then I would understand. I hope you realize that 6 years is almost three lifetimes in computer age. Most studies show people upgrade or replace their computers after two to three years. Hence why there are almost no 6 year warranty opens from Vendors.

For $700 you can buy a really decent laptop now, or even one of these designer netbooks for $699 and save a dollar (if you don't pay tax) to buy some tissues to clean up the QQ with.

Back on topic, these HP netbooks really are quite nice. Makes me wish I hadn't bought my ASUS a few months back.
by fdunn3 October 29, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
Like the posters above have said Laptops due to the lack of component upgradability are meant to last for about 3 years with careful handling. You will more than likely buy a battery or two during that time.

If you have had a laptop for 6 years and has just crapped out on you then that says a lot of good things about your laptop, As that is really 2 lifetimes.
by C 2 C Cruisenut October 29, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
I have a 4 year old Dell 600m that just died on me today. I was also told the price of fixing would be as much as a new one. All that works is 3 blinking mini-lights.
by Imalittleteapot November 1, 2008 8:50 PM PDT
Ok, first you're getting screwed. Last time I put a motherboard in something with CPU (dual core) and all it was right under $190+T. A new video card is between $50 and $200 depending on what you want, but to replace a 6 year old motherboard for $700? I'm sorry it doesn't cost that much. If a new laptop motherboard costs $700 then how can you explain companies that sell whole computers for less than $700 if just one part costs that much?

You have to realize that part of that $700 is because A. someone is gouging you and B. you don't know how to do it yourself so someone is gouging you. That's the trade off you make. You can waste your time and learn to do it yourself and save money, or you can save your time and pay someone else do it and waste money. You can waste time or money or both. It's your choice, but no one is going to fix your computer for free other than you or maybe a very good friend.

Also, a computer lasts three years unless you know what you're doing. That's how long they're designed to last in the hands of the average person. Almost always they last longer than that, but nobody can promise anything beyond three. You got twice the computing out of it than it was really designed for. You should not be complaining. That was a sweet computer. My last broken computer which was considered ancient by the time I got rid of it was 7 years old. My friends use to ask me if that's the computer the Ten Commandments were written on just put it in perspective for you.
by gggg sssss October 29, 2008 5:18 PM PDT
Just ordered the Dell mini both an XP version and a linux version for testing. Funny, the XP version is cheaper - same spec, than teh Linux. Will be used by mobile workers to read\enter\update data on a corporate websiite And maybe Open Ofice for the rare document.

Why HP over DEll at teh same price point? anyone?
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by fdunn3 October 30, 2008 8:34 AM PDT
Did you know that Dell is releasing a 12" netbook available with the SSD or a 40, or 80GB drive?
Full size keyboard too. It looks sweet.
by thefilebunch October 30, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
My very large insurance company just replaced our ancient but functioning IBM Thinkpads with an HP laptop. They are slowly but surely failing to the point of a total recall.
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by fdunn3 October 30, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
Most likely due to the fact that they used NVidia GPUs, this is a know issue and HP has extended the warranty for GPU related issues.

After the NVidia debacle (they still haven't fully 'fessed up) I will not buy any product that has anything NVidia in it.
by fdunn3 October 30, 2008 8:29 AM PDT
IT's only available with a 3 Cell Battery. By the time you configure it with an 80GB drive, 1GB RAM, 10.2" Display it is no less expenisve and has no better battery life than a standard notebook in the same price range.
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by Imalittleteapot November 1, 2008 8:52 PM PDT
This thing actually looks pretty decent for a netbook. I wouldn't mind having one. Don't know if I'm actually willing to pay for one though. I'll decide later.
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by alantaecaswell December 9, 2008 9:19 PM PST
does the hp mini 1000 come with MIE or do i have to get it else where.
i went to hp.com to buy it and the MIE os was not an option,
just windows xp witch is too plain.
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