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October 23, 2008 9:55 AM PDT

Guns-for-cameras program aimed at Toronto shooters

by Elinor Mills
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Toronto police launched an innovative gun amnesty program on Wednesday. It's dubbed Pixels for Pistols, and through it, police are offering to give out a Nikon digital camera to anyone turning in a firearm.

Nikon Coolpix S52

Hand over your gun, get a camera--and photography classes.

(Credit: Nikon)

A handgun or assault rifle is worth a $400 Nikon Coolpix S52 and a shotgun nets a $250 Nikon Coolpix P60. The deal includes free photography lessons.

The amnesty program will run for four weeks, according to Henry's camera store, which is providing the cameras.

This might be a good idea for U.S. cities with a lot of street crime. Other amnesty programs offer cash ($100 assault rifles, $50 for shot guns in Washington, D.C. last year) but cameras of much greater value might be just the enhanced financial incentive, and possible artistic motivator, that some gun owners need.

(Thanks to Byron Ng)

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by hightechnh October 23, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
uh......shouldn't that title be "Cameras for Guns Programs?"
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by ultimatebuster October 25, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
point and shoot is cameras
by mad1111 October 23, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
hahah...turn in a camera get a free gun!

Yea i agree Hightechnh...the other way around sounds a bit better!

I think this is a pretty rediculous idea...what criminal is goint to say "hey, ima go get me a cool camera in exchange for my .45!" Yea, there going to get that camera turn around and sell it for as high a price as they can and go get something else like drugs or something!
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by terminalblue October 23, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
wouldnt it be funny if some got held up at gun point AFTER getting their camera...id lol.
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by spiffy1001 October 23, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
I get buy a new handgun for less than $400.
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by muledoggie October 23, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
This is almost funny. Am I supposed to believe a criminal will look at this offer and say to himself "this is it. I'm turning from my criminal way of life and becoming a photographer; this is my big oppurtunity".

Mule
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by AdelheidBernstein October 23, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
I hope they're ready for the glut of non-working and military surplus garbage they're going to get from savvy collectors. When my county had a similar "Chicagoland no questions asked trade in" program, my friends and I turned in several old Nagant M1895 revolvers, Lorcins and Jiminez pistols - worth less than $50 each - in exchange for $100 debit cards. Each time we showed up, we saw other people we knew doing the same thing. I used the proceeds to get a like-new Sig P6 pistol, with only light holster wear on the slide, that shoots like a dream. Ordinarily, I'd feel guilty doing something sly like that, but I never feel bad when undermining "Führer Daley."
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by LiquidSunshine October 25, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
"Brilliant" ideas such as these have made Chicago the murder capital of the US.

You'd think with all of those "community organizers" in Chicago, they'd have the problem solved... ;-)
by LilcatPA October 23, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
Darn, and I have been Anti-Gun all the time. Who knew I should have picked up the gun when I had the chance! :) (j/k)
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by mmntech October 23, 2008 12:07 PM PDT
I'm a Canadian who lives just outside of Toronto. The first thing that stuck me about this is just how ludicrous this idea is. Like the Crips and the Bloods are going to hand over their weapons for a cheap camera. It is the ganstas they're targeting. Toronto has tried this same garbage before to get handguns guns off the street, such as getting rid of gun legitimate clubs on city property. None of it has made a dent in gun crime. Maybe they wouldn't have problems with the gang bangers if they kept people convicted of violent gun crimes in jail, rather than letting them out on bail under lax conditions like they normally do.
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by streamOG October 23, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
Um right let's take all the guns off the street so legal gun owners cannot protect themselves but let's give them cameras so they can document the crimes against them if they are still alive when they occur.

Great idea.
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by mad1111 October 23, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
hahahha...i love this post!

But wait, wheres that ONE person that always chimes in to say: I think this is a GREAT idea...blah, blah, blah!" LoL!
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by Demolition October 23, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
Unlike this particular program, most gun amnesties aren't aimed (no pun intended) at criminals. Usually, they're meant for regular folks to turn in legal firearms that they no longer use or have received through inheritance. The idea is to remove those firearms from circulation, thereby lessening the chance that they could fall into the wrong hands. At least that's the premise behind the gun amnesties that have been announced in my city.

In the unlikely event that a criminal wants to turn in a gun, then that's just a bonus.

Having said that... The problem with most gun amnesties is that the compensation for bringing in a firearm is often quite low. Cash payouts are usually a pittance ($100 for a pistol or rifle. $50 for a shotgun). Considering that I paid $500 for my Remington 870, $1700 for my Remington Custom Shop Model 700, and $600 for my Glock 22C, I'd just as soon keep them locked up here rather than turn them in for practically nothing. (I already have a much nicer digital camera, thanks!) So, I doubt that this program from the Toronto police will net many guns from criminals, if any.
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by beefmalone October 23, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
Yeah now people can take pictures of the criminals breaking into their homes instead of defending themselves.
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by global-warming_is_BS October 23, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
In canada we are only allowed to take pics of the criminals. If we get caught defending ourselves we go to jail for longer than the criminals. This may sound like I'm exagerating, but I'm not.
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by bornlikethis38 October 25, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
i'm sorry but your country is horrible
by Demolition October 26, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
That's a pile of baloney.

Self-defense laws in Canada allow you to defend yourself against assault with whatever force is necessary to repel the attack. The law states that you should use no more force than is necessary, but if you are facing death, and killing the attacker is the only way to stop the attack, then you can use deadly force. This is no different than self-defense laws in most of the U.S.
by Harrison912 October 24, 2008 8:48 AM PDT
It sounds like this program is designed to get guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, not criminals. What criminal would think twice about turning in his gun for a camera? The gun, even if it doesn't work very well is better as a trade in on another gun than a camera.

As an average citizen, what good is a camera going to do me if I find myself in a situation where my life is in danger? I guess I could photograph the attacker and hope the police catch him.

I agree with the need to get guns away from criminals but as long as they know that their attacks on law abiding citizens will not be met with firearm resistance, their bold attacks will continue.

They not only feel very safe in their planned attack but know they have the upper hand. They also know law enforcement can't be everywhere.

As a web site owner of safety and security products, allowing law abiding citizens to arm themselves with non-lethal forms of protection is a good alternative but not the ultimate fix to this problem.
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by Greg5A October 24, 2008 9:22 PM PDT
Years ago, I worked on a city-government Task Force that was established to help fight gun-related violence in the city.

I spent several years attending meetings sponsored by the City Council. I was the principal researcher for the Task Force.

We learned from crime statistics that most of the gun-related homicides in the city were being committed by black people who were part of the city's black underclass. This indicated to me that we were dealing with something more than a "gun problem"--especially since gun ownership was widespread among white people in the city, who were not out committing murders.

I suspect that the very same thing is true today in Toronto. It isn't a "gun problem" that is responsible for the homicides. The problem is the violence that freqently is endemic among lower-class minority people as a result of uncivilized cultural attitudes.

Good luck to Toronto. As minority populations increase, the city's "gun problem" will only get worse because the politicians will never admit to, or recognize, the real cause of the problem.
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by bornlikethis38 October 25, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
can i trade in my camera for an assault rifle
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by LiquidSunshine October 25, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
Does the term "wishful thinking" come to mind?

As others have stated, a quality firearm is worth a great deal more than a point and shoot digital camera and will depreciate more slowly (it may even appreciate in some cases). Only pieces of junk would be turned in by anyone familiar with the valuations.

Does anyone honestly believe a criminal who uses a firearm as a tool of the [illegal] trade, would actually turn it in? If so, why?

If there is truly a "no questions asked" policy and the firearms aren't checked before being [presumably] destroyed, this is the perfect way to destroy evidence. To have the police facilitate the destruction of evidence surely would amuse the criminals.

Ms. Mills and others who think this is a good idea need to interface more with reality.
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by gjkezski November 23, 2008 11:14 PM PST
One of these days when I have some spare cash on hand I'm going to hear about one of these "trade in your guns" days. I'll head on down myself & do a little shopping around. I'll likely be able to afford to pay more than the do-gooders for what I want. Hey, its an open market is it not?
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by mainframer2 April 28, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
The very best way to control guns is simply to control the penalty for using one while committing a crime. Its one thing for a thug to demand your money while unarmed. The thug runs the risk of engaging someone who isn't willing to lose his wallet/money/purse/etc. The victim either complies or does not. When a thug uses a gun, thats a different situation. This is what we call an "aggravated" crime. THIS is the condition where we knock the hell out of the thug by putting him in jail for life. Now you're talking deterrence!

If you try any other circumstance, like trying to take away all guns, then only the thugs will have guns and violence will continue.

Here in Texas, ever since Carry Concealed laws started happening; crime has fallen way down. Its a basic fact, thugs and criminals prefer un-armed victims. When they aren't so sure you're unarmed, the smarter ones tend to leave you alone.

People, guns do not kill people any more than spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat or any more than pencils cause bad hand writing.

An unloaded firearm is very much like an empty fire extinquisher - useless.
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