• On TechRepublic: Five super-secret features in Windows 7
October 20, 2008 11:22 AM PDT

Can the URC Digital R50 take down Logitech Harmony?

by John P. Falcone
URC Digital R50

You could be forgiven for thinking that Logitech's Harmony line has all but taken over the universal remote market. But--just as the iPod isn't the only choice for portable media players--there are still plenty of alternatives out there. One of the latest is the URC Digital R50. (URC is short for "Universal Remote Control," the aptly-named company that also makes remotes under the Home Theater Master brands, as well as many of the "generic" remotes that are packaged with cable boxes and other devices.)

The Digital R50 is a $150 clicker that includes a brilliant color screen and plenty of programmable hard buttons. It eschews Logitech's PC-programming approach and instead includes thousands of built-in codes--all accessible with an on-screen wizard interface--which can be used to control up to 18 separate devices. CNET got an early look at the R50, and put it to the test versus similar offerings from Logitech and Philips. Read the full review--and watch the video--to see how it stacked up.

Read the CNET review of the URC Digital R50.

What do you think: Would you consider the R50 as your primary remote? Do you prefer Logitech's models? Or do you think $150 is just too much to spend on a glorified clicker?

John P. Falcone covers home theater and network entertainment products. He's been writing for CNET since 2002.
Recent posts from Crave
USB Warm Gloves strike again
Ricoh goes modular for GXR camera system
Moxi cuts price on its DVR, adds step-up model with a triple tuner
2010 Tesla Roadster Sport first drive
Sneak peek: Xobni e-mail app for BlackBerry
The DIY secret-knock door lock
New BlackBerry software will make your phone cooler
The 411: Storage limits and more on data plans
Add a Comment (Log in or register) (14 Comments)
  • prev
  • 1
  • next
by ev61 October 20, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
One of the best parts of the Harmony remote is the online support and the ability to replace a remote and not have to manually reprogram it. Once my 880 dies, I can simply plug the new remote into my computer as the hard work only needs to be done once!
Reply to this comment
by canadiankris October 20, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
I completely agree with ev61... And also the ability for it to work with obscure devices like my Lite-On DVD/PVR. It was brilliant for my 60 something parents and a wiz for me to change options for them if needed. Rather than having to fumble thru a manual to remember how to program. Just log into the web interface and away ya go.
Reply to this comment
by mtf612 October 20, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
totally agree eve and canadian... easy to setup, even crazy weird devices, and love all the options. Plus the range on mine is superb
Reply to this comment
by Renegade Knight October 20, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
My harmony collects dust. It could not be programmed the way I needed. The simple interface is great right up until you want it to do something (simple) that's not someone elses idea of simple. I found in that case you are out of options. The lack of Bluetooth (RF) is now a deal breaker. My Harmony is nothing but a brick.
Reply to this comment
by Ryan_R October 20, 2008 7:38 PM PDT
I'm a Harmony fan as well, sorry. Plus that URC device looks awful in comparison
Reply to this comment
by ruderthanyou October 20, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
My URC MX-500 lasted 5+ years while my 880 lasted 18 months and after less than one year the buttons on my One squeak and feel mushy; no feedback/click when you press them...well other than the squeaks. Harmony might win hands down with their ease of programming, but personally I would give up some of that ease for a better constructed product. My One will be the last Harmony I purchase.
Reply to this comment
by DaveOCP October 21, 2008 1:34 AM PDT
If you want to control your system YOUR way, not the way the software will LET you control it, the Harmony is not for you. If you have never programmed a controller before, and have no idea how your system works, the Harmony software might be fine. Let's say however you have a component like I do that requires two presses of the power off button between 1/3 - 1/2 of a second apart to turn itself off. Programming that into my URC MX-900 is a snap. Start a Macro, power, 1/3 second delay, power, done. Takes all of three mouse clicks. Try that with the "so simple, anyone can do it!" Harmony. See how easy it is.

Let's say you have a macro with about 20 steps and 10 delays in it. Want to remove or change a step? In the MX-900 editor that takes about 2 seconds to do. Try doing that with the Harmony. See how easy it is there. How about programing a short press to execute a function, and a long press to execute a macro? WIth the URC software, again, very easy, very quick. Give that a try with the Harmony.

The Logitech remotes are toys, the URC remotes are tools. There's the difference. One is a piece of junk with horrendous build quality designed for grandmothers, the other is built to last and has nearly infinite capabilities.
Reply to this comment
by atom3000 October 21, 2008 6:00 AM PDT
Yes, $150 is way too much for a clicker.

I love my Harmony 550. One of the features that make it simple to program is the PC based software. I can do everything I need to do for my Home-theater system and it hardly took anytime to get the programming done.

PS - I do not have any components that require two clicks of the power off button to power off :-)
regards
Reply to this comment
by Wannabe Actuary October 21, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
re: DaveOCP...multiple buttons for off is easy, in the setup, devices tab, settings for the device, adjust power settings, separate buttons for on/off, select your power toggle once for on and then select the option for multiple commands for off and select power toggle twice. if you need a delay, select power toggle, none, then power toggle. as far as macros go, harmony remotes are quite limited, however, 'macros' aren't typically needed by the average user because activities handle things much better. using activities exclusively, the smart state technology can track what commands to send given various states as opposed to sending a set string of commands (aka a macro). that relegates macros to things such as turning closed captions on/off. all in all, that becomes rather trivial.

I got an 880 about 3 years ago and used it for over 2 years in my main setup before upgrading to a One when it was released. At that point I moved it to the bedroom and eventually upgraded that to an 890 with the wireless extender. I'm very well versed with harmony remotes and I can understand the frustration that some people see with setting it up the first time. People expect things like a manual as opposed to a setup guide, but fail to realize that with a database that supports over 250,000 devices already (and is always growing), it's pretty hard to include a manual for all possible combinations.

That's where the logitech support system comes in. Their phone support system is great and the forums they have pretty much answer all your questions in a matter of a few hours. I myself am a huge contributor there.

In short, a URC remote can't touch a harmony remote in my book...but then again there are certain Harmony models I wouldn't touch either (i.e. the 1000).
Reply to this comment
by youtim October 21, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
A feature that hasn't been discussed yet is the Help function. My parents and kids can just hit help and answer yes/no questions until the problem is fixed if when they pushed an activity button the result wasn't what they wanted. I love the activity buttons by the way.
Reply to this comment
by joshdeboer October 21, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
Harmony remotes are king, at least for now.
Reply to this comment
by Swimmer22 October 21, 2008 7:10 PM PDT
I'm using a Harmony 670. What a disappointment. I frequently have to resort to the help to fix a setting. This time its the TV ON/Cable box off. Next time it reverses. Then the CD stays on. At least I only paid $90 for it.
Reply to this comment
by thesledman November 13, 2008 6:55 AM PST
The URC R50 caught my eye until they touted a manual with device codes. How is this competition for the Harmony 880? I've had mine for almost 3 years. It has successfully replaced every remote in my 5 component home theater. It was the only remote that fully replaced my Tivo dogbone remote. I am so grateful I don't have to manually program (head to head) remotes ever again. I don't have to worry about losing the manual (with the codes) and not having the ability to program the remote. You literally enter your product model number into the website and "poof" every command your device is capable of is programmed and ready to go. I've been able to easily replicate any macro (RTFM) for some of my more finicky devices. The battery still holds a great charge (its never died on me) and the device works as good as the day I purchased it. I paid $250 on sale originally and I have said from the first month I had it, if it were to break tomorrow, without hesitation , I would get another one.
Reply to this comment
by HARMmoney November 19, 2008 9:45 AM PST
Logitech has superior thought put into the sequencing and logic of their remotes. They are the easiest to manage for everyday users. However, all that thought is for nothing since the overall quality is well below that of brands like URC.

Logitech is soon sending me a third replacement for the 550 in just under 3 months My friend just received his second Harmony One and it is failing after 3 days of use. Just by googling "harmony freezing" or "harmony remote locking", I will not need to tell you why I know how to boot the remote in 'Safe Mode' in my sleep. That and the fact that the buttons on logitech remotes are sometimes sized for infants. These mini, clicky or overly soft butoons are not how a remote should feel. URC knows how the remote should feel and every URC remote I've received from the cable company has lasted years without issue. Let the bias continue...

There is something to be said about keeping PCs away from remotes.
Maintaining software on a PC always requires some amout of maintenance. I bet we all have enough of that to deal with in a day. I think the total time invested for the average hometech to set up an R50 will not be any longer than loading and using the Logitech software.....assuming the Logitech hardware or firmware does not fail as usual.

+/-
The R50 provides more flexibility, but no archive ******* (yet), but I have never lost the codes in a URC remote to date (even with the batteries out for months).

The R50 sizes buttons to be used by an adult and require normal pressure to operate.

I think Logitech offers superior tech support (probably because its required more often).

The layout is a scratch. Both companys seem to locate buttons/menus fairly well, needing some small amout of improvement.
Reply to this comment
(14 Comments)
  • prev
  • 1
  • next

About Crave

The name says it all. Crave is our blog about gorgeous gadgets and other crushworthy stuff. If you would like to contact Crave with a tip or comment, please write to: crave@cnet.com

Add this feed to your online news reader

Crave topics

After 5 years, Firefox faces new challenges

Mozilla helped reshape the Web since releasing Firefox 1.0 five years ago. Now it's got a reawakened Microsoft and Google Chrome to reckon with.

There's a map for that: GPS or smartphone?

Almost every handset comes with mapping software these days, but standalone GPS devices are becoming more affordable than ever.