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October 16, 2008 8:14 AM PDT

FCC official says DTV transition will be 'messy'

by David Katzmaier
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One of the five members of the Federal Communications Commission, Republican Robert McDowell, said Tuesday that the DTV transition "will be messy...but we'll get through it."

The switch-off of analog TV broadcast signals this February may cause even those who make the switch to lose some channels.

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The statement comes three weeks after Commerce Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, a Democrat, warned that the next presidential administration may inherit a "communications crisis."

McDowell urged broadcasters, the party he identified as having the most to lose in the transition, to step up their informational campaigns and to tailor the information to local markets in the months leading up to the transition. As an example, he said that technical differences between local markets may require campaigns that urge consumers to also purchase a new antenna to get their DTV converter boxes to work.

To parse McDowell's statement, he's probably referring to the fact that, even if consumers buy a converter box and hook it up to their current antenna, they may not receive as many channels as they did before the transition. Digital TV signals use a completely different transmission method from analog, and in many cases we've heard reported, people often can't get the same number of digital channels as analog ones.

As reported in Broadcasting & Cable, FCC chairman Kevin Martin told Congress last month that, after the switch, approximately 15 percent of digital TV stations will not reach as many viewers as their analog signals did. Many viewers during the test of the DTV switchover in Wilmington, N.C., lost access to NBC, for example. Martin said the FCC's "highest priority" is to address the loss of coverage after the switch, and that FCC engineers are working now to identify the problem areas. How much can be done at this late stage is an open question, however.

What's your experience? Have you or someone you know made the switch from analog to digital broadcast TV? If so, did you stop receiving certain channels, or even received more? Let us know in comments.

David Katzmaier reviews HDTVs for CNET. E-mail David or follow him on Twitter @katzmaiercnet.
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by SteveL39 October 16, 2008 8:22 AM PDT
So what? Where is the viewing of high quality digital television in the bill of rights?

It's TV, people. Seriously. if you want to watch TV, buy the junk you need to make it work and move on with your life. No one is telling these people they have to sign up for a $150/month satellite package - get the coupon, get the free converter box, and worst case, you have to drop $75 on an antenna to keep your 15 year old TV working. I'd say that's a bargain.
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by wendellp0000 December 4, 2008 12:25 AM PST
when did you dethrone god? not everyone in your perfect world has the money. but i guess in your world money grows on the parent tree. i really wish ignorance could be painful because it would have shut your mouth before crapped all over this page. you made me lose part of my poor life for your mindless drivel.
by mmntech October 16, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
Here in Toronto, even in the city, there are still a lot of coverage issues with DTV. I can't receive at least two major Canadian networks. I actually get decent reception from the States even though the transmitters are three to five times as far. I can get ABC, The CW, and CBS out of Buffalo are pretty strong. PBS is still spotty though and I can't get NBC or FOX at all. Mind you, this is with a small indoor antenna, not a proper roof top one. DTV transmitter signals on Canadian networks are considerably weaker than their US counterparts, which explains why I can't get some stations that come in fine over analogue. We have until 2011 to fix that up.

I think the biggest problems with the switch over in the US are going to be mostly in more remote rural areas. However, those are the people who are most likely to be using OTA TV.
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by chrisgirl32 October 16, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
Has anyone addressed WHY this change needed to be made? Honestly, it hardly seems like a critical communications issue. Why fix it if it ain't broke? (as joe sixpack would say...) I just can't get over the money and effort put into this - and every commercial I see and blog that I read only dicusses the HOW to make the switch. I really wonder WHY on earth the government is forcing the issue. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks...
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by gavstern October 16, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
It's a big deal, actually. Switching to digital allows many more channels to be offered while using much less of the electromagnetic spectrum. It frees up the "most efficient" and long range EM traffic. Want national wireless internet coverage? This will allow it to happen.
by matttx October 16, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
I've never been a believer in the "it it ain't broke" philosophy. If you have an opportunity to improve upon something, then efforts should be made to do just that. I'm not a fan of resting on your laurels.

A lot of the benefits, however, are mainly that DTV is more flexible and effecient. It allows for clear pictures, better sound, more choices, and improved data services (better closed captioning for instance).
by shore601 October 16, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
Perhaps you would prefer black and white TV... or maybe radio. Come on this has been in process for 5+ years. And you wonder why we are so far behind newer technology in other countries.
by cyberDJ-2038765336053745013836 October 16, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
Chris,

Goggle "DTV transition" and get a clue.
by supermjr October 16, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
The reason for the transition has little to do with better picture/audio quality or anything related to television for that matter. Currently, public safety agencies (fire, police, medical) use outdated radio technology to communicate. They are transitioning to higher frequencies that are currently used for broadcasting television.

Broadcasters bid in a government auction for new frequencies to transmit their channels. The proceeds of that auction went into a grant program for public safety agencies to purchase equipment and conduct training/exercises related to interoperable communications.

To consumers, it's pitched that you are just getting better television. Behind the scenes though, public safety agencies are rapidly modernizing their ability to communicate with each other. Personally, I won't argue with better TV and better emergency response with minor cost to the consumer.
by bblande October 16, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
chrisgirl32: The current bandwidth for the nation's telecommunications is far too narrow and the infrastructure in place now was built in the 50s or earlier. This was most apparent on 9/11 when there weren't enough channels for communication. The digital transition will quadruple our current bandwidth for emergencies. The DTV is just a fringe benefit of it.
by Marklarr October 16, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
It's because the government wants to free up the spectrum that analog tv signals are currently using. It's better for everybody really, besides the increase in the amount of tv channels and picture quality, youll start to see the old tv spectrum being used for things like city-wide wifi. It's not really life changing anyways, just get a coupon and use it.
by Zen-Masta October 16, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
I have dishnetwork HD but have been using $10 bunny ears to watch local HD channels for a few years. Depending on what part of town you are though depends on the signal strength. Some places are pretty bad for no apparent reason (good or bad weather). I REALLY hope they increase signal strength when they shut off the analog signal. I usually get Fox comes in the best followed by NBC but I don't think I get cbs or pbs. (santa cruz, california) It's quite annoying sometimes because I have a lot of shows scheduled to record on those channels, half the time it's fine, other times it's corrupted or pauses through playback or skips because the signal was too weak.
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by SSousuke October 16, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
I've had experiences with both circumstances. I have an LCD attached to an indoor HDTV antenna - and an older tv w/converter box and HDTV antenna - both get great reception, and i've had no problems with channel dropoff's.
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by Tod Smith October 16, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
What people also need to be concerned with is that most new content is still not in full HD.

What gives?
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by danwithers October 16, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
This hits on the big elephant in the room. For folks who still use antenna (no cable or dish), we've been told that all we need to do is get a digital tuner box. People (rightly) assume that if they get the digital tuner and hook it up, they will pull in at least what they had before - but its not true. Its also a function of the differences between analog and digital reception. With analog reception, you can just OK reception but still get the picture (albeit with some "noise" perhaps). With digital reception, if the signal is not strong enough - you loose the picture.

I live in Dallas/Fort Worth area, and decided to convert to digital before the deadline to have more time to address issues. I had old analog TV with regular antenna (no cable or dish), and had good reception for all major networks plus several smaller ones. I bought new digital TV and hooked up to my existing antenna -- and was disappointed to find almost all the major digital channels were spotty at best. And spotty with digital means the picture goes away completely. I then bought ($50) a new, larger VHF/UHF antenna and installed in my attic. This improved reception, but its still spotty. I will say that I'm getting some other smaller digital channels (and sub-channels) that I did not get before witih analog reception - but the major channels are the most important.

I'm hoping that at the cutover in Feb or shortly thereafter, the digital signals will be boosted as the broadcasters no longer have to send their analog signals - but I have not read that to be the case.

There are going to be lots of pissed off people because they were told one thing (get a digital tuner and thats it) when really that is not the case.
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by LarryH October 16, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
It has gone pretty well for me in southeastern Washington state. We get the 4 networks plus PBS just fine. We also get extra channels on some of those. We are using the same antenna we have always used that's mounted on our roof. We have one CRT TV with a digital tuner, one 15" LCD HDTV and a digital tuner in our PC all connected to the antenna. The only problem appears to be when viewing the FOX channel on the 15" TV. It seems to have a little tougher time locking in the channel (intermittent pixelation and loss of sound) than the large CRT TV or the PC tuner on the same FOX channel. That may be just an antenna orientation issue I'll have to go up on the roof to check. We've been totally digital in our house for almost a year now.
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by goldlimnah October 16, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
I'm in the Salt Lake City area. I made the switch over a year ago. I get more channels in better quality after the switch.
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by donsms October 16, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
I`ve used a middle of the road indoor rabbit ear setup for the past year to view my local HD stations in the Buffalo NY area and have noticed a definite dropoff of signal strength from standard broadcast stations.I`ve also noticed a dropoff of signal strength when it`s very windy or stormy out on the HD stations but not the standard stations,seems kinda odd unless the HD broadcasts still aren`t at full power yet.
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by cyberDJ-2038765336053745013836 October 16, 2008 2:07 PM PDT
My new LCD TV has only one RF jack so I have to choose between analog cable and an off-air antenna receiving HD.
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by rlmiller9 October 22, 2008 7:39 AM PDT
Radio shack makes a remote a b rf switch which you can connect two cable inputs and it switches between them and sends the selected signal to your tv.
by thepoetrydude October 16, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
in one room I have my big screen samsung dlp, I get all but CBS. But I also get the signal dropped whenever a car drives by outside. In my other room, I have a 22in lcd tv/ monitor. It's connected with my vista machine. Tv tuner in the computer and also split into the tv. I get all channels with the tv, but lose FOX, NBC, and other with the media center/ tuner card. Same antannae split into two tuner cards and one tv. Seems strange that my pc can't get all the channels, yet my tv can.
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by lurchlarson October 16, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
It is my understanding that the switch over is to provide emergency services and cellphone providers more frequencies so that there is less interference on already crowded bands. If this is the case I'm ok if the emergency services were the main reason it was happening but i have a hunch that lobbyists for the cellphone companies were the real reason it is happening. ok
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by tcr071 October 16, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
No. I live in the 21st century.
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by boracay11 October 16, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
I live in Colorado and was an early adopter of DTV after the coupons came out but I have to say that I am very disappointed. I have the RCA converter box with an HDTV capable antenna installed and after about six months I finally uninstalled it. I was constantly adjusting my antenna every time I changed the channel, like a lot of other people are discovering if you have a weak signal with DTV you end up with NO-TV, the picture will either constantly stop and start or go out completely and no amount of antenna adjustments will satisfy every channel, believe me I tried.
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by metomjr October 16, 2008 6:58 PM PDT
I like the idea that the signal quality will be "better" but I'd rather have a little static than a signal that cuts in and out. I agree that it's rediculus that I have to get up and move my antenna everytime I switch the channel. I'm not in a position where I can get on the roof of my building and install an antenna. Don't forget about the millions of people that live in appartments and have no access to the roof. I applied for my converter box coupon as soon as they were available because I was under the impression that they would run out quickly. Well, three months went by, no converter boxes were available where I lived, and now I will have to pay full price for a box because I cannot reapply for a coupon. Guess I just won't get TV because I cannot afford cable.
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by jkeels October 16, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
Well, this is interesting. I will have to say that the DTV reception characteristics are different than for the old analog stuff. In some cases it seems to better but in other cases it doesn't work as well. Where I live I have a small flat panel UHF/VHF antenna from RCA and the zenith converter. Keep in mind I am in the mountains in NC and so the reception characteristics are far from ideal. Analog reception was already not good to begin with. I can receive two stations from 120 miles away on digital. Some of the stations that I will be able to get are different after the transition because some of the stations "nearby" will move their digital signals back to the high VHF band after the transition which should help a little.

Anyway, when it works it really is quite amazing. I didn't expect miracles to begin with and I knew that digital reception characteristics are quite different than analog. Of course, sometimes I still wonder about the FCC's logic of choosing 8VSB modulation to begin with when COFDM most likely would have been less prone to multipath interference. However, the latest 5th and 6th generation tuners are supposedly pretty good with the multipath which I guess I agree with considering that the signals I do manage to receive on digital most likely are reflected or refracted signals to begin with (I live in a hole almost).
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by jkeels October 16, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
I think that the transition will help some. There will be half as many signals in the air at that point and so there will be less interference. Also, some network stations that are transmitting digital on the UHF band are actually moving their digital signal back to their VHF analog assignment (if they are in the VHF High Band on analog now).
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by Vonmoldy October 16, 2008 10:07 PM PDT
When using our DTV box we have like 3 channels no major ones either and before we had most of all the available broadcast channels. The ones we get with the DTV are very hard to tune and it is extremely frustrating. We would probably need to buy a huge expensive rooftop antenna to get a decent amount of channels.
I can see the benefit of switching because it looks better and the picture is great also the guide feature is handy but I wonder why the government if doing it? To make money from the sale of the unused channels? I resent then comment above making the comment that TV is not a right. Which is true but if a free service such as TV is stopped and some are left without TV it should be made available to all it shouldnt be a big hassle and have to buy a bunch of stuff.
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by deadheadtechguy October 17, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
The transition is being pushed in effort to broaden the range of wireless communication. The bandwidth that analog transmits on has been auctioned off to wireless communications companies nationwide in efforts to better our service in communication. The diminishing availability of wireless bandwidth has been an unaddressed issue since the inception of the cell phone. For example. 9/11/01 During/after the attacks, communications between local and federal authorities were limited because of the amount of people that were trying to use their cell phones/walkie-talkies during the attacks. That is a key reason why the FCC is pushing the digital conversion. The frequancies used for anolog broadcasts are also great for cellular communications. Acutally, once the transittion goes into effect and cellular companies implement their broadcasting in the new frequencies, our cellular services will be much more dependable than ever before. In a nutshell. We going to a new age of communications, and analog tv just doesn't fit into that picture. The transition will allow some new incentives, while leaving some in the dark. I initiall thought that the gov. was trying to force us into some kind of contract with local/nationwide televsion providers, and also with the manufactuars of new age televisons. Although you probably can't totolly discredit this idea, I don't see that being the main focus of the transition. Simply put, the transition will give us better cellular communications and will bring all of us into the new age of digital entertainment. Embrace it!
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